Just wondering how much protien is too much at one time. 40, 50 ,60 ,70.... Let m eknow Talk to ya...
i think 50 g is the upper limit, 20-40g can be done efficiently, 50 g is pushing it , anything over that is a waste.And I want PROOF................not just the "such and such is too much at one time". Back it up.
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jst about the urine.. i have a question.... i take mutlivitamins with pigments in it, so my urine is bright yellow most times.Check yourself! Check the color of your piss and check your bodyfat
If your piss is dark, you're pissing out protein (if you're healthy) and excess protein can also convert to glycogen and store as fat (not as likely) 50 in one sitting is fine in my opinion, others will disagree and thats what I want. If you've noticed throughout your duration in nutrition, at least in my area, most nutritionists or nutrition instructors are anti-protein. My nutrition instructor my Sophomore year in college was a bodybuilder (obviously juiced, etc) and he slaps protein around like its worthless. So to each his own, bodies are different
Then its not as easy, this is just a basic observation. If you're taking a multi then I doubt seriously you can tell.
jst about the urine.. i have a question.... i take mutlivitamins with pigments in it, so my urine is bright yellow most times.
how would i check it then?
EXACTALLY!!! Thats what I said in the other thread. Oh..........and Kay I fight bare knuckes broOriginally posted by YellowJacket
This is a never ending question.....why? because there's no set amount or standard for everyone. It varies from GI tract to GI tract. Some people can handle more than others, depends on a lot of factors. But Id say the average is more than 50, think about a steak dinner or a chicken dinner...if you have a large steak, a glass of milk etc. You're probably taking in more than 50grams.
Ive actually read many places that dark urine to a novice bodybuilder is an indication of excess protein.
If urine is dark, and B complex is not the culprit, it is an indication of dehydration, not excess protein.
Protein rarely converts into fat. Its extremely rare. Its more likely to collect in your large intestine and just get excreted.Protein requirements vary with size, weight, age, metabolism, etc. Whey protein is broken down and absorbed so quickly that he average bodybuilder can only utilize 30-35 grams at a sitting; the rest is quickly converted to fat and stored around your waistline. It's much more practical to use a casein/whey/egg blend, like Optimum Complete Protein Diet. The whey is absorbed as quickly as ever, but the milk and egg proteins are digested and used much more slowly. Even then, I believe 50-60 grams is as much as a 200 lb bodybuilder can efficiently utilize, and anything over 50 possibly goes to waste.
A pro bodybuilder is a different animal. Steroids help the body utilize more protein and build more muscle. Also, some of these pros, like Jay Cutler, who likes whey protein, eat 10 or more meals a day, and spread their protein intake out more evenly. Not as practical for us working folk. The pros on steroids tend to eat 2 gms protein per pound bw each day. Jay and Ronnie take in over 500 gms per day!
B vitamins cause bright yellow urine. Normally, barring this, urine should be nearly colorless. If urine is dark, and B complex is not the culprit, it is an indication of dehydration, not excess protein. The more protein one ingests, the more water is required for the kidneys to break it down.
If your sweat smells of ammonia or urine, it is an indication of excess protein.
Figures YJ would know about novice bodybuilders....
Ive actually read many places that dark urine to a novice bodybuilder is an indication of excess protein.
Protein actually breaksdown to amino acids, then converts to glucose then still has the chance to be used as fuel and if still not used, will be stored as fat. So yes bobo, you are correct, it rarely stores as fat because of all the opportunities it has to be used. But as rare as it is, its not out of the question.
Protein rarely converts into fat. Its extremely rare. Its more likely to collect in your large intestine and just get excreted.
Figures YJ would know about novice bodybuilders....
Bobo. We don't always agree, but I've seldom seen you so far out in left field. Your statement would only pertain to someone without enough digestive enzymes to break down the protein they ingest. I will explain how it works for you.
Protein rarely converts into fat. Its extremely rare. Its more likely to collect in your large intestine and just get excreted.
This is exactly right, because NOVICE bodybuilders have seldom learned to drink enough water to replenish that lost by conversion of amino acid to protein. Amino acids are the building blocks of protein. The formation of protein can result in dehydration because water molecules are lost as amino acids combine to form more.Ive actually read many places that dark urine to a novice bodybuilder is an indication of excess protein.
Well first your assuming some things and not looking at the whole picture.
Bobo. We don't always agree, but I've seldom seen you so far out in left field. Your statement would only pertain to someone without enough digestive enzymes to break down the protein they ingest. I will explain how it works for you.
During the process of digestion the proteins in our food are broken down into their constituent amino acids which are in turn absorbed by the blood capillaries and transported to the liver. The amino acids are then synthesized into proteins or stored as fat or glycogen for energy. Each gram of protein produces approximately 4 kcal. Whey protein is absorbed and digested so quickly that it does NOT lay in the gut. Once the muscles are flooded with as much amino acid as they can use, excess whey protein is quickly burnt off as energy or stored as fat, plain and simple.
This is exactly right, because NOVICE bodybuilders have seldom learned to drink enough water to replenish that lost by conversion of amino acid to protein. Amino acids are the building blocks of protein. The formation of protein can result in dehydration because water molecules are lost as amino acids combine to form more.
I said protein in general. Only in times of stress (post workout or any catabolic state) will whey convert into glucose when it is not present with any form of carb and/or fat.
Whey protein is absorbed and digested so quickly that it does NOT lay in the gut. Once the muscles are flooded with as much amino acid as they can use, excess whey protein is quickly burnt off as energy or stored as fat, plain and simple.
It was just too easy. If I didn't rip on you, then something is wrong.
Ouch.....that hurts coming from the anti-carb, but I guess Id better be happy, at least I know something.
Thats the point. This is rare to where someone'd diet lacks the proper amounts of carbs or fat. Thats why fat is so important in a keto diet. It reduces the amount of protein converted into glucose therefore preventing catabolism. The only situation to where significant amounts of protein gets converted into glucose is whenfat and carbs are severely decresed. In that case the calorie amount would not warrant any fat storage. If can be converted into glucose all day but if you don't go over your maintenance level, it will not get stored as fat.
Protein actually breaksdown to amino acids, then converts to glucose then still has the chance to be used as fuel and if still not used, will be stored as fat. So yes bobo, you are correct, it rarely stores as fat because of all the opportunities it has to be used. But as rare as it is, its not out of the question.
The above is correct.he inclusion of fat decreases the rate of at which protein in synthesized into glucose. Protein will only convert into glucose if there isn't a sufficient amount of carbohydrate present,
Calorie count has no bearing.and your below maintnenance calories.
True, but rare.Second, non-essential aminos often collect in the large intestine when sufficient amounts are already present in the body. Glutamine is an example.
This is no assumption and extreme diet situations have no bearing on this. Whole food proteins are broken down more gradually and rarely used this way, but Whey, which is the most commonly used protein by bodybuilders is broken down too quickly to allow for proper assimilation (Excess amounts). Whey does not lay in the gut, either; thus it is all too frequently stored as fat, despite carbs.the assumption that whey is absorbed so fast that it turns into glucose is only when your in extreme diet situations. Even then your below maintenance calories therefore you will not store protein as fat. In essence in can be stored but rarely is the situation where your diet is lacking the necessary carbs and/or fat to where protein is converted into glucose and used as an energy source.
I pulled you out in the nick of time.I'm not in left field.
Damnit I need to learn how to quote better. I'll do it this way.
The above is correct.
Calorie count has no bearing.
True, but rare.
This is no assumption and extreme diet situations have no bearing on this. Whole food proteins are broken down more gradually and rarely used this way, but Whey, which is the most commonly used protein by bodybuilders is broken down too quickly to allow for proper assimilation (Excess amounts). Whey does not lay in the gut, either; thus it is all too frequently stored as fat, despite carbs.
I pulled you out in the nick of time.
Im with you until right here.....it will convert to glucose, but that glucose, if not used will store most likely in the adipose tissue as fat. With the addition of carbs, it is then more likely to be stored as fat because of the excess glucose (from the amino acid transfer and incoming carbs)
The point of all this is that whey rarely ever gets stored as fat. It will get converted into glucose however but with the addition of carbs and fats even that is rare.
Yes, I would be interested also, flamethrower mounted and ready to use thoughBobo, just because I don't always agree, doesn't mean I don't value your input. I was going back and rereading your old arguments on post workout shakes, regarding dextrose, etc. I am rethinking a lot of my pre-conceived ideas on this. I have begun to believe a pre-workout shake with low gi carbs is just as, or more important than the post workout shake. And if your muscles have been properly sustained throughout the workout, how important is a high gi insulin spike afterwards? If you have time could you start a thread and outline your current thoughts on this?
But with the addition of carbs, the whey will not get converted. Serisously ask yourself when you take a whey shake without some form of carb or fat. Thats the whole idea.
Im with you until right here.....it will convert to glucose, but that glucose, if not used will store most likely in the adipose tissue as fat. With the addition of carbs, it is then more likely to be stored as fat because of the excess glucose (from the amino acid transfer and incoming carbs)
Sounds good. Let me think about it because that would be a nice long post. I agree. I seperate pre and post. The whole idea is to prevent and limit as much catabolic activity as possible.Bobo, just because I don't always agree, doesn't mean I don't value your input. I was going back and rereading your old arguments on post workout shakes, regarding dextrose, etc. I am rethinking a lot of my pre-conceived ideas on this. I have begun to believe a pre-workout shake with low gi carbs is just as, or more important than the post workout shake. And if your muscles have been properly sustained throughout the workout, how important is a high gi insulin spike afterwards? If you have time could you start a thread and outline your current thoughts on this?
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Yes, I would be interested also, flamethrower mounted and ready to use though
Well now no one said we were talking about just whey .... I thought this was protein in general. The original question was the amount of total protein, not just whey......dumbasses
But with the addition of carbs, the whey will not get converted. Serisously ask yourself when you take a whey shake without some form of carb or fat. Thats the whole idea.
Protein in general would convert at a lower rate. The faster the absortion the more chance of it converting into glucose. But the addition of mutiple sources with a carb source will eliminate most of these chances and the majority of the nutrients will get used as they are intended to be used.
Well now no one said we were talking about just whey .... I thought this was protein in general. The original question was the amount of total protein, not just whey......dumbasses
I think a good plan would be to take in 50-60grams of protein with 2grams Ginger Root and about 300mg ALA. The ginger root will help with the breakdown of the protein and the ALA should take care of any possibe excess protein that is converted to glucose by pushing it into the muscle and not fat. If you are taking in carbs with you protein, I would up the ALA.
Protein actually breaksdown to amino acids, then converts to glucose then still has the chance to be used as fuel and if still not used, will be stored as fat. So yes bobo, you are correct, it rarely stores as fat because of all the opportunities it has to be used. But as rare as it is, its not out of the question.
So my question is: If it rarely turns to fat, it is then what? Excreted via urine.....protein is a dark, substance in the body, would it not make your urine dark? Yep.
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