How much protien is too much at one time!!!

curt2go · 12-02-2002, 04:47 PM

Just wondering how much protien is too much at one time. 40, 50 ,60 ,70.... Let m eknow Talk to ya...

Bone · 12-02-2002, 04:50 PM

And I want PROOF................not just the "such and such is too much at one time". Back it up.

Peace

Bone

curt2go · 12-02-2002, 04:54 PM

hahahahahaha. talk to ya..

Kay · 12-02-2002, 05:45 PM

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Originally posted by Bone
And I want PROOF................not just the "such and such is too much at one time". Back it up.

Peace

Bone

i think 50 g is the upper limit, 20-40g can be done efficiently, 50 g is pushing it , anything over that is a waste.
LOL!

oh wait you asked for proof ??

let me get my gloves ready !

YellowJacket · 12-02-2002, 06:18 PM

This is a never ending question.....why? because there's no set amount or standard for everyone. It varies from GI tract to GI tract. Some people can handle more than others, depends on a lot of factors. But Id say the average is more than 50, think about a steak dinner or a chicken dinner...if you have a large steak, a glass of milk etc. You're probably taking in more than 50grams.

Kay · 12-02-2002, 06:20 PM

more than 50g per sitting ? you sure about that YJ?
i don't know, like in my nutrition classes, 50g was teh max they would recommend, now i agree for most bodybuilders that can be stretched a little, but I don't think you have enough digestive enzymes to break down all that.
If you just have steak and milk.. that's fine, but if you have that with carbs, isn't that too much?

crazypete · 12-02-2002, 06:23 PM

depends, are you a scrawny little guy at 120 lbs and just sat on your ass the last few hours since your last meal, or are you a 230 lbs ph/steroid user who just finished an intense GVT workout. these factors make a big difference. don't forget that the body is efficient at providing its most immediate needs, and if for example after a workout you take in 100g and no carbs, the body will digest most of it but also use most for energy. unfortunately there is no answer or study one can point to to back this up. however we have evidence that greater than 1.25g per lb per day for highly trained collage football players is not needed (under intense training, no roids). now if one were on prohormones, this could go to 1.5-1.7, and up to 2g for those using the real stuff. once again, divide into 6-8 even meals. for after workout, charles poliquin recommends 0.27g per pound of lean body mass (ie if you have a gut, subtract this weight). also 0.5 to 1.25g carbs and flax oil.

sorry, this is the best answer i can come up with and i have done a lot of reading over the last year to come up with this.

hope this helps, pete

YellowJacket · 12-02-2002, 06:25 PM

Check yourself! Check the color of your piss and check your bodyfat

If your piss is dark, you're pissing out protein (if you're healthy) and excess protein can also convert to glycogen and store as fat (not as likely) 50 in one sitting is fine in my opinion, others will disagree and thats what I want. If you've noticed throughout your duration in nutrition, at least in my area, most nutritionists or nutrition instructors are anti-protein. My nutrition instructor my Sophomore year in college was a bodybuilder (obviously juiced, etc) and he slaps protein around like its worthless. So to each his own, bodies are different

Kay · 12-02-2002, 06:26 PM

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Originally posted by YellowJacket
Check yourself! Check the color of your piss and check your bodyfat
If your piss is dark, you're pissing out protein (if you're healthy) and excess protein can also convert to glycogen and store as fat (not as likely) 50 in one sitting is fine in my opinion, others will disagree and thats what I want. If you've noticed throughout your duration in nutrition, at least in my area, most nutritionists or nutrition instructors are anti-protein. My nutrition instructor my Sophomore year in college was a bodybuilder (obviously juiced, etc) and he slaps protein around like its worthless. So to each his own, bodies are different

jst about the urine.. i have a question.... i take mutlivitamins with pigments in it, so my urine is bright yellow most times.
how would i check it then?

YellowJacket · 12-02-2002, 06:28 PM

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Originally posted by Kay

jst about the urine.. i have a question.... i take mutlivitamins with pigments in it, so my urine is bright yellow most times.
how would i check it then?

Then its not as easy, this is just a basic observation. If you're taking a multi then I doubt seriously you can tell.

Bone · 12-02-2002, 07:43 PM

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Originally posted by YellowJacket
This is a never ending question.....why? because there's no set amount or standard for everyone. It varies from GI tract to GI tract. Some people can handle more than others, depends on a lot of factors. But Id say the average is more than 50, think about a steak dinner or a chicken dinner...if you have a large steak, a glass of milk etc. You're probably taking in more than 50grams.

EXACTALLY!!! Thats what I said in the other thread. Oh..........and Kay I fight bare knuckes bro

Peace

Bone

**jweave23** · 12-14-2002, 06:58 PM

Yeah, I've also seen this so many times over they years, no set rule for utilization. The best anyone can do is try to form a basline as YJ said, check your urine color, increases/troubles with gas and/or diahrrea, so forth.

Personally I can handle large amounts (from what can be observed), but I'm not exactly a small guy either

John Benz · 12-20-2002, 01:30 PM

Protein requirements vary with size, weight, age, metabolism, etc. Whey protein is broken down and absorbed so quickly that he average bodybuilder can only utilize 30-35 grams at a sitting; the rest is quickly converted to fat and stored around your waistline. It's much more practical to use a casein/whey/egg blend, like Optimum Complete Protein Diet. The whey is absorbed as quickly as ever, but the milk and egg proteins are digested and used much more slowly. Even then, I believe 50-60 grams is as much as a 200 lb bodybuilder can efficiently utilize, and anything over 50 possibly goes to waste.

A pro bodybuilder is a different animal. Steroids help the body utilize more protein and build more muscle. Also, some of these pros, like Jay Cutler, who likes whey protein, eat 10 or more meals a day, and spread their protein intake out more evenly. Not as practical for us working folk. The pros on steroids tend to eat 2 gms protein per pound bw each day. Jay and Ronnie take in over 500 gms per day!

B vitamins cause bright yellow urine. Normally, barring this, urine should be nearly colorless. If urine is dark, and B complex is not the culprit, it is an indication of dehydration, not excess protein. The more protein one ingests, the more water is required for the kidneys to break it down.

If your sweat smells of ammonia or urine, it is an indication of excess protein.

YellowJacket · 12-20-2002, 01:45 PM

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Originally posted by John Benz

If urine is dark, and B complex is not the culprit, it is an indication of dehydration, not excess protein.

Ive actually read many places that dark urine to a novice bodybuilder is an indication of excess protein.

**Kruger** · 12-20-2002, 02:06 PM

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Originally posted by John Benz
Protein requirements vary with size, weight, age, metabolism, etc. Whey protein is broken down and absorbed so quickly that he average bodybuilder can only utilize 30-35 grams at a sitting; the rest is quickly converted to fat and stored around your waistline. It's much more practical to use a casein/whey/egg blend, like Optimum Complete Protein Diet. The whey is absorbed as quickly as ever, but the milk and egg proteins are digested and used much more slowly. Even then, I believe 50-60 grams is as much as a 200 lb bodybuilder can efficiently utilize, and anything over 50 possibly goes to waste.

A pro bodybuilder is a different animal. Steroids help the body utilize more protein and build more muscle. Also, some of these pros, like Jay Cutler, who likes whey protein, eat 10 or more meals a day, and spread their protein intake out more evenly. Not as practical for us working folk. The pros on steroids tend to eat 2 gms protein per pound bw each day. Jay and Ronnie take in over 500 gms per day!

B vitamins cause bright yellow urine. Normally, barring this, urine should be nearly colorless. If urine is dark, and B complex is not the culprit, it is an indication of dehydration, not excess protein. The more protein one ingests, the more water is required for the kidneys to break it down.

If your sweat smells of ammonia or urine, it is an indication of excess protein.

Protein rarely converts into fat. Its extremely rare. Its more likely to collect in your large intestine and just get excreted.

**Kruger** · 12-20-2002, 02:09 PM

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Originally posted by YellowJacket

Ive actually read many places that dark urine to a novice bodybuilder is an indication of excess protein.

Figures YJ would know about novice bodybuilders....

YellowJacket · 12-20-2002, 02:10 PM

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Originally posted by Bobo

Protein rarely converts into fat. Its extremely rare. Its more likely to collect in your large intestine and just get excreted.

Protein actually breaksdown to amino acids, then converts to glucose then still has the chance to be used as fuel and if still not used, will be stored as fat. So yes bobo, you are correct, it rarely stores as fat because of all the opportunities it has to be used. But as rare as it is, its not out of the question.
So my question is: If it rarely turns to fat, it is then what? Excreted via urine.....protein is a dark, substance in the body, would it not make your urine dark? Yep.