[lDaChOsEnOnEl]

Im about to start and ECA stack within the next week I was originaly going to buy vasopro for the ephedrine hcl but I was in the drug store the other day(walgrens) and I seen a product called bronkaid its has the same two main ingredients as vasopro except it contains Ephedrine Sulfate and not Ephedrine HCL so what is the difference? Is there a difference?

[deuce747]

I have been told that the sulfate version delivers 1/3 the ephedrine to your system. I know how because it used some in depth bio/chem. However i know a lot of people, including myself, who use bronkaid and it works fine 3-4 pills a day and drink water.

[lDaChOsEnOnEl]

So if I was taking 1 pill of Vasopro for 25mg of HCL how many pills of bronkaid (ephedrine sulfate) would I have to take to get same effect?

[deuce747]

From what i have been told and from my experiance i would not exceed 4 pills a day on bronkaid. The sulfate version is less effective but still good enough to do the job. Ephedrine is safe just don't over do it, that is how people die.

[lDaChOsEnOnEl]

So do you think I should still on take 25mg of the sulfate per dose? Everyone feel free to give advice..

[MystikalSoul]

i also want more info on this...no more than 4 pills and when should u take them? do u spread them out trough out the day?

[deuce747]

yeah i take one when i wake up, about lunch, before i go run/workout, and about 6:30 or 7. If i take it later i feel wired and cant sleep to well. I only take 1 pill 4x a day @ 25mg and it is working for me, but feel free to do anything you like.

[MystikalSoul]

cool thx for the info.. but which one is stronger? Ephedrine Sulfate or Ephedrine HCL

[lDaChOsEnOnEl]

Well since no one on here could give a solid answer I did some research and came up with this.....

Ephedrine HCl is approximately 82% ephedrine by weight.

Ephedrine sulfate is approximately 77% ephedrine by weight.

25 mg ephedrine HCl = 20.5 mg ephedrine

25 mg ephedrine sulfate = 19.25 mg ephedrine

[stxnas]

Just a little more info for you guys. Start at the post that I linked it to. It's similar to the post above.

is ephedra illegal??

[youi09]

I've been purchasing Bronkaid at local pharmacies as well. There seems to be no real difference from my experience with hcl and sulfate but the sulfate seems to hit the system signficantly quicker. The moment I pop the bronkaid it hits me within seconds, if not minutes later. To some extent it might seem a bit weaker or have a shorter half life but it works just as well.

60 tabs for 12 dollars too, its cheap.

[brywal312]

I started taking Bronchaid a few days ago - It REALLY opens you up. I didnt realize it but from the immense difference i can tell - I am seriously wonderig if I did not have mild athsma i have always had alot of problems with pain in my lungs when doing heavy cardio - with Bronchaid it has totally stopped. I thought it was caused by me not being in shape. I just rode an exercise bike for 25 miles this morning!!!

[eph123]

bronkaid contains Guaifenesin in addition to the ephedrine sulfate, and i hear that guaifenesin causes unwanted side effects. so i was wondering if anyone knows how to purify the ephedrine from the guaifenesin

[bassgirl]

Originally Posted by eph123

bronkaid contains Guaifenesin in addition to the ephedrine sulfate, and i hear that guaifenesin causes unwanted side effects. so i was wondering if anyone knows how to purify the ephedrine from the guaifenesin

You meth head you!
(Hey if you find out the answer let me know!)

[eph123]

Originally Posted by bassgirl

You meth head you!
(Hey if you find out the answer let me know!)

ha, i've never done hardcore drugs and i don't intend on making meth, waaay to dangerous. i just want to get a better workout without the headaches which is what i hear the guanifesin causes. so if anyone knows....

[stxnas]

FWIIW, I don't seem to get any headaches from it. I think the reason BBers don't like the guaifenesin is b/c it's said to work as a muscle relaxant and that is undesireable while lifting.

[eph123]

so i found something on extracting the ephedrine, but something does not make complete sense to me:

"I've been a utilitarian user of ephedrine pills for a good while now, popping one or two over the counter pills at a dosage of about 25mg of ephedrine with 200mg of guaifisin. However, upon hearing about the negative effects of the guaifisin in higher doses, I decided to try extracting the pure ephedrine from the pills to take that instead.

I powdered and heated the pills in distilled water until they were brought to a boil, then removed from the heat and strained them through filters, added more water to the sludge and repeated the processs one more time. The resulting water that was strained off was then dried into powdered ephedrine again. I mixed up the powder in a bit of soda and drank it (god awful by the way, ephedrine is excessively bitter).

It took approximately 15 minutes or so before the effects came on, getting stronger and stronger over the next hour. It wasn't a very intense experience, but rather a very clean, energetic feeling and exceptional focus. All in all, the effects lasted possibly five or six hours, and did an excellent job of making me alert without too much of a speedy intensity to it. "

okay so what i don't get is after the water is strained off, how did he/she get the water to evaporate to get the powdered product? i know ephedrine is soluble in water, so i guess i could just drink all the water, but i do not know if guanifisen is soluble as well.
so again my question is, does anyone know how to dry off the water to get teh powdered ephedrine?

[bassgirl]

Originally Posted by eph123

ha, i've never done hardcore drugs and i don't intend on making meth, waaay to dangerous. i just want to get a better workout without the headaches which is what i hear the guanifesin causes. so if anyone knows....

Yeah I hear ya. Guaisenifen (sp) is an expectorant, which makes you cough up stuff. Not fun when you're pumping out at 170-180 bpm on the cardio.

[Patriot1]

Originally Posted by lDaChOsEnOnEl

Im about to start and ECA stack within the next week I was originaly going to buy vasopro for the ephedrine hcl but I was in the drug store the other day(walgrens) and I seen a product called bronkaid its has the same two main ingredients as vasopro except it contains Ephedrine Sulfate and not Ephedrine HCL so what is the difference? Is there a difference?

Bronkaid didn't work for me. I have been taking Primatene for years and when I tried the Bronkaid it had no affect-- I didn't feel like I took anything. Bronkaid product might work for someone new to Ephedra but is of little value to long time HCL users.

[Enigma76]

Originally Posted by eph123

bronkaid contains Guaifenesin in addition to the ephedrine sulfate, and i hear that guaifenesin causes unwanted side effects. so i was wondering if anyone knows how to purify the ephedrine from the guaifenesin

The "bad" muscle relaxant effects of guaifenesin have been studied in veterinary medicine. It is used as an adjunct to anesthesia in horses at an IV dose of 110mg/kg.

In humans, the drug "warnings" (I put it in quotations because it would be very difficult to overdose on guaifenesin) say not to exceed 2400mg/24 hours. 4 Bronkaid per day yields only 1600mg of guaifenesin (25mg ephedrine/400mg guai).

However, at the dose required for muscle relaxant effects in animals, personally I would require 11000mg in one IV injection.

Of course, you can't use the 110mg/kg in horses and apply it directly to humans. And you also can't evaluate the difference in GI absorption and IV injection.

Suffice it to say, I doubt the muscle relaxant concerns are warranted.

[silverSurfer]

Why not buy Pseudoephedrine HCI? You can get it at any pharmacy.

[Omen]

Originally Posted by silverSurfer

Why not buy Pseudoephedrine HCI? You can get it at any pharmacy.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pseudo

[smeton_yea]

many people have been inquiring about this

Originally Posted by deuce747

yeah i take one when i wake up, about lunch, before i go run/workout, and about 6:30 or 7. If i take it later i feel wired and cant sleep to well. I only take 1 pill 4x a day @ 25mg and it is working for me, but feel free to do anything you like.

Thanks for the feedback

Originally Posted by lDaChOsEnOnEl

Well since no one on here could give a solid answer I did some research and came up with this.....

Ephedrine HCl is approximately 82% ephedrine by weight.

Ephedrine sulfate is approximately 77% ephedrine by weight.

25 mg ephedrine HCl = 20.5 mg ephedrine

25 mg ephedrine sulfate = 19.25 mg ephedrine

solid information

Originally Posted by youi09

I've been purchasing Bronkaid at local pharmacies as well. There seems to be no real difference from my experience with hcl and sulfate but the sulfate seems to hit the system signficantly quicker. The moment I pop the bronkaid it hits me within seconds, if not minutes later. To some extent it might seem a bit weaker or have a shorter half life but it works just as well.

60 tabs for 12 dollars too, its cheap.

just a tad weaker and faster acting on paper

Originally Posted by brywal312

I started taking Bronchaid a few days ago - It REALLY opens you up. I didnt realize it but from the immense difference i can tell - I am seriously wonderig if I did not have mild athsma i have always had alot of problems with pain in my lungs when doing heavy cardio - with Bronchaid it has totally stopped. I thought it was caused by me not being in shape. I just rode an exercise bike for 25 miles this morning!!!

Good point

Originally Posted by eph123

bronkaid contains Guaifenesin in addition to the ephedrine sulfate, and i hear that guaifenesin causes unwanted side effects. so i was wondering if anyone knows how to purify the ephedrine from the guaifenesin

dont take too high of a dose with the Guaifenesin. simple as that. follow the directions and never exceed the recommended dose esp in this case because guaifenesin and ephedrine sulfate cause stones. lower end dosing with the maxium 4 per day In my honest opinion.

Originally Posted by stxnas

FWIIW, I don't seem to get any headaches from it. I think the reason BBers don't like the guaifenesin is b/c it's said to work as a muscle relaxant and that is undesireable while lifting.

Originally Posted by bassgirl

Yeah I hear ya. Guaisenifen (sp) is an expectorant, which makes you cough up stuff. Not fun when you're pumping out at 170-180 bpm on the cardio.

Originally Posted by Enigma76

The "bad" muscle relaxant effects of guaifenesin have been studied in veterinary medicine. It is used as an adjunct to anesthesia in horses at an IV dose of 110mg/kg.

In humans, the drug "warnings" (I put it in quotations because it would be very difficult to overdose on guaifenesin) say not to exceed 2400mg/24 hours. 4 Bronkaid per day yields only 1600mg of guaifenesin (25mg ephedrine/400mg guai).

However, at the dose required for muscle relaxant effects in animals, personally I would require 11000mg in one IV injection.

Of course, you can't use the 110mg/kg in horses and apply it directly to humans. And you also can't evaluate the difference in GI absorption and IV injection.

Suffice it to say, I doubt the muscle relaxant concerns are warranted.

nice information

Originally Posted by Omen

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pseudo

Originally Posted by silverSurfer

Why not buy Pseudoephedrine HCI? You can get it at any pharmacy.