Ephedrine Sulfate vs. Ephedrine HCL - AnabolicMinds.com

Ephedrine Sulfate vs. Ephedrine HCL

Page 1 of 2 12 Last
  1. New Member
    lDaChOsEnOnEl's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    43
    Rep Power
    114

    Reputation

    Ephedrine Sulfate vs. Ephedrine HCL


    Im about to start and ECA stack within the next week I was originaly going to buy vasopro for the ephedrine hcl but I was in the drug store the other day(walgrens) and I seen a product called bronkaid its has the same two main ingredients as vasopro except it contains Ephedrine Sulfate and not Ephedrine HCL so what is the difference? Is there a difference?

  2. New Member
    deuce747's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    33
    Rep Power
    110

    Reputation

    I have been told that the sulfate version delivers 1/3 the ephedrine to your system. I know how because it used some in depth bio/chem. However i know a lot of people, including myself, who use bronkaid and it works fine 3-4 pills a day and drink water.
  3. New Member
    lDaChOsEnOnEl's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    43
    Rep Power
    114

    Reputation

    So if I was taking 1 pill of Vasopro for 25mg of HCL how many pills of bronkaid (ephedrine sulfate) would I have to take to get same effect?
    •   
       

  4. New Member
    deuce747's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    33
    Rep Power
    110

    Reputation

    From what i have been told and from my experiance i would not exceed 4 pills a day on bronkaid. The sulfate version is less effective but still good enough to do the job. Ephedrine is safe just don't over do it, that is how people die.
  5. New Member
    lDaChOsEnOnEl's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    43
    Rep Power
    114

    Reputation

    So do you think I should still on take 25mg of the sulfate per dose? Everyone feel free to give advice..
  6. New Member
    MystikalSoul's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    121
    Rep Power
    160

    Reputation

    i also want more info on this...no more than 4 pills and when should u take them? do u spread them out trough out the day?
  7. New Member
    deuce747's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    33
    Rep Power
    110

    Reputation

    yeah i take one when i wake up, about lunch, before i go run/workout, and about 6:30 or 7. If i take it later i feel wired and cant sleep to well. I only take 1 pill 4x a day @ 25mg and it is working for me, but feel free to do anything you like.
  8. New Member
    MystikalSoul's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    121
    Rep Power
    160

    Reputation

    cool thx for the info.. but which one is stronger? Ephedrine Sulfate or Ephedrine HCL
  9. New Member
    lDaChOsEnOnEl's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    43
    Rep Power
    114

    Reputation

    Well since no one on here could give a solid answer I did some research and came up with this.....

    Ephedrine HCl is approximately 82% ephedrine by weight.

    Ephedrine sulfate is approximately 77% ephedrine by weight.

    25 mg ephedrine HCl = 20.5 mg ephedrine

    25 mg ephedrine sulfate = 19.25 mg ephedrine
  10. Elite Member
    stxnas's Avatar
    Stats
    5'8"  195 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Age
    33
    Posts
    9,977
    Rep Power
    969164

    Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation

    Just a little more info for you guys. Start at the post that I linked it to. It's similar to the post above.

    is ephedra illegal??
    RcB Since 09-06-2011 20:55 EST, Post 49
  11. Board Supporter
    youi09's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Age
    29
    Posts
    90
    Rep Power
    164

    Reputation

    I've been purchasing Bronkaid at local pharmacies as well. There seems to be no real difference from my experience with hcl and sulfate but the sulfate seems to hit the system signficantly quicker. The moment I pop the bronkaid it hits me within seconds, if not minutes later. To some extent it might seem a bit weaker or have a shorter half life but it works just as well.

    60 tabs for 12 dollars too, its cheap.
  12. New Member
    brywal312's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Posts
    415
    Rep Power
    297

    Reputation

    I started taking Bronchaid a few days ago - It REALLY opens you up. I didnt realize it but from the immense difference i can tell - I am seriously wonderig if I did not have mild athsma i have always had alot of problems with pain in my lungs when doing heavy cardio - with Bronchaid it has totally stopped. I thought it was caused by me not being in shape. I just rode an exercise bike for 25 miles this morning!!!
  13. New Member
    eph123's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    3
    Rep Power
    84

    Reputation

    purifying ephedrine


    bronkaid contains Guaifenesin in addition to the ephedrine sulfate, and i hear that guaifenesin causes unwanted side effects. so i was wondering if anyone knows how to purify the ephedrine from the guaifenesin
  14. New Member
    bassgirl's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Age
    43
    Posts
    202
    Rep Power
    184

    Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by eph123 View Post
    bronkaid contains Guaifenesin in addition to the ephedrine sulfate, and i hear that guaifenesin causes unwanted side effects. so i was wondering if anyone knows how to purify the ephedrine from the guaifenesin
    You meth head you!
    (Hey if you find out the answer let me know!)
  15. New Member
    eph123's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    3
    Rep Power
    84

    Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by bassgirl View Post
    You meth head you!
    (Hey if you find out the answer let me know!)
    ha, i've never done hardcore drugs and i don't intend on making meth, waaay to dangerous. i just want to get a better workout without the headaches which is what i hear the guanifesin causes. so if anyone knows....
  16. Elite Member
    stxnas's Avatar
    Stats
    5'8"  195 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Age
    33
    Posts
    9,977
    Rep Power
    969164

    Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation

    FWIIW, I don't seem to get any headaches from it. I think the reason BBers don't like the guaifenesin is b/c it's said to work as a muscle relaxant and that is undesireable while lifting.
    RcB Since 09-06-2011 20:55 EST, Post 49
  17. New Member
    eph123's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    3
    Rep Power
    84

    Reputation

    purifying ephedrine possible solution


    so i found something on extracting the ephedrine, but something does not make complete sense to me:

    "I've been a utilitarian user of ephedrine pills for a good while now, popping one or two over the counter pills at a dosage of about 25mg of ephedrine with 200mg of guaifisin. However, upon hearing about the negative effects of the guaifisin in higher doses, I decided to try extracting the pure ephedrine from the pills to take that instead.

    I powdered and heated the pills in distilled water until they were brought to a boil, then removed from the heat and strained them through filters, added more water to the sludge and repeated the processs one more time. The resulting water that was strained off was then dried into powdered ephedrine again. I mixed up the powder in a bit of soda and drank it (god awful by the way, ephedrine is excessively bitter).

    It took approximately 15 minutes or so before the effects came on, getting stronger and stronger over the next hour. It wasn't a very intense experience, but rather a very clean, energetic feeling and exceptional focus. All in all, the effects lasted possibly five or six hours, and did an excellent job of making me alert without too much of a speedy intensity to it. "

    okay so what i don't get is after the water is strained off, how did he/she get the water to evaporate to get the powdered product? i know ephedrine is soluble in water, so i guess i could just drink all the water, but i do not know if guanifisen is soluble as well.
    so again my question is, does anyone know how to dry off the water to get teh powdered ephedrine?
  18. New Member
    bassgirl's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Age
    43
    Posts
    202
    Rep Power
    184

    Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by eph123 View Post
    ha, i've never done hardcore drugs and i don't intend on making meth, waaay to dangerous. i just want to get a better workout without the headaches which is what i hear the guanifesin causes. so if anyone knows....
    Yeah I hear ya. Guaisenifen (sp) is an expectorant, which makes you cough up stuff. Not fun when you're pumping out at 170-180 bpm on the cardio.
  19. New Member
    Patriot1's Avatar
    Stats
    5'6"  150 lbs.
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Posts
    1
    Rep Power
    71

    Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by lDaChOsEnOnEl View Post
    Im about to start and ECA stack within the next week I was originaly going to buy vasopro for the ephedrine hcl but I was in the drug store the other day(walgrens) and I seen a product called bronkaid its has the same two main ingredients as vasopro except it contains Ephedrine Sulfate and not Ephedrine HCL so what is the difference? Is there a difference?

    Bronkaid didn't work for me. I have been taking Primatene for years and when I tried the Bronkaid it had no affect-- I didn't feel like I took anything. Bronkaid product might work for someone new to Ephedra but is of little value to long time HCL users.
  20. Advanced Member
    Enigma76's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2004
    Age
    29
    Posts
    981
    Rep Power
    620

    Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by eph123 View Post
    bronkaid contains Guaifenesin in addition to the ephedrine sulfate, and i hear that guaifenesin causes unwanted side effects. so i was wondering if anyone knows how to purify the ephedrine from the guaifenesin
    The "bad" muscle relaxant effects of guaifenesin have been studied in veterinary medicine. It is used as an adjunct to anesthesia in horses at an IV dose of 110mg/kg.

    In humans, the drug "warnings" (I put it in quotations because it would be very difficult to overdose on guaifenesin) say not to exceed 2400mg/24 hours. 4 Bronkaid per day yields only 1600mg of guaifenesin (25mg ephedrine/400mg guai).

    However, at the dose required for muscle relaxant effects in animals, personally I would require 11000mg in one IV injection.

    Of course, you can't use the 110mg/kg in horses and apply it directly to humans. And you also can't evaluate the difference in GI absorption and IV injection.

    Suffice it to say, I doubt the muscle relaxant concerns are warranted.
  21. Senior Member
    silverSurfer's Avatar
    Stats
    5'8"  175 lbs.
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Age
    43
    Posts
    1,930
    Rep Power
    1098

    Reputation

    Why not buy Pseudoephedrine HCI? You can get it at any pharmacy.
  22. Banned
    Omen's Avatar
    Stats
    6'0"  210 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Posts
    1,368
    Rep Power
    0

    Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by silverSurfer View Post
    Why not buy Pseudoephedrine HCI? You can get it at any pharmacy.
    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pseudo
  23. Diamond Member
    John Smeton's Avatar
    Stats
    6'2"  225 lbs.
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Age
    33
    Posts
    10,014
    Rep Power
    33557

    Reputation

    many people have been inquiring about this


    Quote Originally Posted by deuce747 View Post
    yeah i take one when i wake up, about lunch, before i go run/workout, and about 6:30 or 7. If i take it later i feel wired and cant sleep to well. I only take 1 pill 4x a day @ 25mg and it is working for me, but feel free to do anything you like.
    Thanks for the feedback

    Quote Originally Posted by lDaChOsEnOnEl View Post
    Well since no one on here could give a solid answer I did some research and came up with this.....

    Ephedrine HCl is approximately 82% ephedrine by weight.

    Ephedrine sulfate is approximately 77% ephedrine by weight.

    25 mg ephedrine HCl = 20.5 mg ephedrine

    25 mg ephedrine sulfate = 19.25 mg ephedrine
    solid information

    Quote Originally Posted by youi09 View Post
    I've been purchasing Bronkaid at local pharmacies as well. There seems to be no real difference from my experience with hcl and sulfate but the sulfate seems to hit the system signficantly quicker. The moment I pop the bronkaid it hits me within seconds, if not minutes later. To some extent it might seem a bit weaker or have a shorter half life but it works just as well.

    60 tabs for 12 dollars too, its cheap.
    just a tad weaker and faster acting on paper

    Quote Originally Posted by brywal312 View Post
    I started taking Bronchaid a few days ago - It REALLY opens you up. I didnt realize it but from the immense difference i can tell - I am seriously wonderig if I did not have mild athsma i have always had alot of problems with pain in my lungs when doing heavy cardio - with Bronchaid it has totally stopped. I thought it was caused by me not being in shape. I just rode an exercise bike for 25 miles this morning!!!
    Good point

    Quote Originally Posted by eph123 View Post
    bronkaid contains Guaifenesin in addition to the ephedrine sulfate, and i hear that guaifenesin causes unwanted side effects. so i was wondering if anyone knows how to purify the ephedrine from the guaifenesin
    dont take too high of a dose with the Guaifenesin. simple as that. follow the directions and never exceed the recommended dose esp in this case because guaifenesin and ephedrine sulfate cause stones. lower end dosing with the maxium 4 per day In my honest opinion.

    Quote Originally Posted by stxnas View Post
    FWIIW, I don't seem to get any headaches from it. I think the reason BBers don't like the guaifenesin is b/c it's said to work as a muscle relaxant and that is undesireable while lifting.

    Quote Originally Posted by bassgirl View Post
    Yeah I hear ya. Guaisenifen (sp) is an expectorant, which makes you cough up stuff. Not fun when you're pumping out at 170-180 bpm on the cardio.


    Quote Originally Posted by Enigma76 View Post
    The "bad" muscle relaxant effects of guaifenesin have been studied in veterinary medicine. It is used as an adjunct to anesthesia in horses at an IV dose of 110mg/kg.

    In humans, the drug "warnings" (I put it in quotations because it would be very difficult to overdose on guaifenesin) say not to exceed 2400mg/24 hours. 4 Bronkaid per day yields only 1600mg of guaifenesin (25mg ephedrine/400mg guai).

    However, at the dose required for muscle relaxant effects in animals, personally I would require 11000mg in one IV injection.

    Of course, you can't use the 110mg/kg in horses and apply it directly to humans. And you also can't evaluate the difference in GI absorption and IV injection.

    Suffice it to say, I doubt the muscle relaxant concerns are warranted.
    nice information


    Quote Originally Posted by silverSurfer View Post
    Why not buy Pseudoephedrine HCI? You can get it at any pharmacy.
    Follow me on facebook, twitter and youtube, where I share information and videos to help you achieve your physique goals, John Smeton Ftness
  24. Senior Member
    ShakesAllDay's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  225 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    1,239
    Rep Power
    713

    Reputation

    Just wanted to bump this thread. Don't doubt the ephedrine sulfate (Bronkaid).

    ZOOOOOOOM!

  25. Banned
    Iron Lungz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Age
    38
    Posts
    5,785
    Rep Power
    0

    Reputation

    Bump. Mmmmm, ephedrine.
  26. Diamond Member
    Trauma1's Avatar
    Stats
    5'11"  220 lbs.
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Age
    35
    Posts
    15,425
    Rep Power
    57339

    Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Lungz View Post
    Bump. Mmmmm, ephedrine.
    Damn, skippy!

    Evolutionary Muse - Inspire to Evolve
    Legendary

  27. Senior Member
    soontobbeast's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    1,812
    Rep Power
    2248

    Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by silverSurfer View Post
    Why not buy Pseudoephedrine HCI? You can get it at any pharmacy.

    because its only like 60% as effective.

    or maybe it was 30%.
    For me, the action IS the juice.
  28. New Member
    neofrost83's Avatar
    Stats
    5'6"  145 lbs.
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Age
    31
    Posts
    269
    Rep Power
    212

    Reputation

    Wow this is a really good thread!

    A little backround on me before I try both (and report results here on AM, or course):

    I grew up with asthma and at some point through playing numerous sports through childhood and adolescence I sorta grew out of it. Or my body just learned how to adapt. Anyway, being in the Army causes me to go all over the world, to various climates and run run run. The problem is that over several climate changes and specifically in extreme cold the asthma symptoms come back with a force! Right before Ephedra was banned I took it regularly and loved it (never paid attention to Sulfate vs HCl)! I was extremely disappointed when it was banned...and now I know that I can easily get it again!!! Thanks!! By the way just a disclaimer that I'll post again with my results: I've taken massive amounts of stims over the years to the point that my tolerance is off the charts! Basically if either of these has an effect on me I'll definitely know it and vigorously report it to you guys!!!


    Why not buy Pseudoephedrine HCI? You can get it at any pharmacy.


    Drug Facts for Sudafed

    Now I have take the REAL Sudafed for colds...and you have to get it from behind the pharmacy counter with proof of driver's license, address, etc. This is for tracking purposes because Pseudoephedrine is an active ingredient in Meth and Law Enforcement keeps track through the pharmacies who is buying in bulk for their meth lab. Yes...DRUG DOGS WILL ACTUALLY SIT ON SUDAFED!!! Pretty funny actually.

    Nonetheless Pseudoephedrine worked great for when I had a cold...and had great stim properties, of course. Is it possible actual Ephedrine is that time 10? Yea I got it - "Pseudo" in front means its "fake ephedrine"...but wouldn't meth heads use actual Ephedrine if it were that much more effective? Just sayin....
    IN 27 YEARS I'VE NEVER GONE 0-4 IN WILDCARD WEEKEND!!!
    until now. yup I put money on every game too. excuse me while i go drink myself smart.
  29. New Member
    Jabb's Avatar
    Stats
    6'0"  260 lbs.
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Age
    39
    Posts
    90
    Rep Power
    105

    Reputation

    As an asthmatic I like the Primatene tabs better (ephedrine HCL). I have also had success with the Bronkaid. It just seems I got more out of the HCL.
  30. New Member
    king88's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Posts
    8
    Rep Power
    51

    Reputation

    sulfate?
  31. Senior Member
    bikeswimlive's Avatar
    Stats
    6'3"  220 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    1,210
    Rep Power
    869

    Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by eph123 View Post
    bronkaid contains Guaifenesin in addition to the ephedrine sulfate, and i hear that guaifenesin causes unwanted side effects. so i was wondering if anyone knows how to purify the ephedrine from the guaifenesin
    Just play it safe and do 3 daily doses of (when using Bronkaid - which I use):

    25 E 200 C and 81 A. That is standard. Space them out every four hours.

    Guaifenesin is the expectorant that is also found in things like Mucinex. I've read you mainly just have to watch for things like kidney stones.

    Which if you keep it to only 3 doses and are drinking a minimum of a gallon of water a day, you should be fine.

    Also, keep your heart rate in check when doing cardio as Bronkaid will really get the heart pumping. I would say, go no higher than 150 bpm.

    I also would recommend ramping up and ramping down the dosage.

    Something that is highly overlooked while on ECA is cortisol control. I wouldn't take ECA without something like Endoamp Max from Primordial Performance or Lean Xtreme from Driven Sports.
  32. Senior Member
    rulk22's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  267 lbs.
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Posts
    2,227
    Rep Power
    23082

    Reputation

    For cortisol control, endoamp is the best.
  33. Senior Member
    HATEFULone's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  215 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Posts
    1,514
    Rep Power
    5860

    Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by rulk22 View Post
    For cortisol control, endoamp is the best.
    I found endoamp to be a very good product, have only used it in pct though, really helped me keep my gains and lean out some after my cycle. Cortisol control is key to losing fat, really helps once diet and workout regime are solid.
  34. Advanced Member
    RAHHH's Avatar
    Stats
    5'8"  210 lbs.
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Posts
    574
    Rep Power
    348

    Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by rulk22 View Post
    For cortisol control, endoamp is the best.
    Ephedrine HCL (i like kazine brand) all the way and i agree endo-ampmax would b great together for cortisol control
  35. Senior Member
    MakaveliThaDon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2003
    Posts
    2,781
    Rep Power
    5917

    Reputation

    forgive the igorant question here. But why is a cortisol supp needed when doing an ECA stack? I've never heard it recommended before
  36. New Member
    swaneon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Posts
    189
    Rep Power
    584

    Reputation

    i think thats because ec raises cortisol levels
    im not sure, but thats what ive been told
  37. Senior Member
    MakaveliThaDon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2003
    Posts
    2,781
    Rep Power
    5917

    Reputation

    Well, I assumed that must be the case, LOL. I guess I meant does anyone have some more specific info on how/why it increaes cortisol levels, it's the first I've ever heard of it increasing cortisol levels, so now I'm curious....
  38. Senior Member
    bikeswimlive's Avatar
    Stats
    6'3"  220 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    1,210
    Rep Power
    869

    Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by MakaveliThaDon View Post
    Well, I assumed that must be the case, LOL. I guess I meant does anyone have some more specific info on how/why it increaes cortisol levels, it's the first I've ever heard of it increasing cortisol levels, so now I'm curious....
    Cortisol is a stress related hormone. ECA makes the body run at a higher metabolic rate and you will be working out hard on top of that. For cortisol suppression I would highly suggest Vitamin C paired with either Lean Xtreme for DS or Endoamp Max from Primordial. Both are awesome products and there is alot of research that suggests Vit C suppresses Cortisol as well.
  39. New Member
    cowboy007's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  0 lbs.
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Posts
    409
    Rep Power
    322

    Reputation

    Worth a read..


    If you have access to academic journals.. this clears up some of the "broscience" on here about E

    Effects of Ephedra on autonomic nervous modulations:
    Chen WL, Tsai TH, Yang CC, Kuo TB, Clinical Pharmacology And Therapeutics [Clin Pharmacol Ther], ISSN: 1532-6535, 2010 Jul; Vol. 88 (1), pp. 39-44; PMID: 20520603

    This discusses clinical reaction and toxicity of E
    Woolf, Alan D.; Watson, William A.; Smolinske, Susan; Litovitz, Toby. Clinical Toxicology (15563650), Aug2005, Vol. 43 Issue 5, p347-355, 9p, 3 Charts, 1 Graph; DOI: 10.1081/CLT-200066075

    Chen, Wei-Lung; Tsai, Tung-Hu; Yang, Cheryl C.H.; Kuo, Terry B.J.. Journal of Ethnopharmacology, Aug2010, Vol. 130 Issue 3, p563-568, 6p; DOI: 10.1016/j.jep.2010.05.056

    And this one..
    Mehendale, Sangeeta R.; Bauer, Brent A.; Chun-Su Yuan. American Journal of Chinese Medicine, 2004, Vol. 32 Issue 1, p1-10, 10

    Anyone who thinks they feel a difference between HCL and Sulfate should be interested. These studies both link to a group of case studies where scientists essentially determined the difference in ephedrine HCL and Sulfate absorption/reaction in the body was .0002% after a four week run. Thats as numerically close to "zero difference" as it gets.
  40. Elite Member
    stxnas's Avatar
    Stats
    5'8"  195 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Age
    33
    Posts
    9,977
    Rep Power
    969164

    Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation

    I figured as much. The only real difference to account for is based on the mg/mg comparison of E in a mg of EHCl vs the amount of E in a mg of ESO4, no?
    RcB Since 09-06-2011 20:55 EST, Post 49
  

  
 

Similar Forum Threads

  1. Glucosamine Sulfate vs Glucosamine HCL
    By Jag in forum Supplements
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 11-20-2011, 11:28 PM
  2. Ephedrine HCL vrs Ephedrine Sulfate
    By packers6211 in forum Supplement Logs
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 12-22-2010, 11:37 PM
  3. Ephedrine sulfate or hcl
    By rob88 in forum Weight Loss
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 05-12-2010, 09:15 PM
  4. Ephedrine Sulfate/HCl experiment
    By dsade in forum Supplements
    Replies: 24
    Last Post: 04-12-2010, 05:14 PM
  5. finally, the difference between ephedrine sulfate and HCL
    By soontobbeast in forum Weight Loss
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: 09-11-2009, 09:31 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Log in
Log in