Cheat Days while cutting
- 04-04-2007, 04:44 PM
Cheat Days while cutting
Just started taking Venom Hyperdrive yesterday to help shed a few pounds of fat around my stomach and chest. I will be eating around 2,000 calories a day (normally around 3,500-4,000) and I will weight train 5 times a week. My foods will be much cleaner but I want to know what is exceptable to eat on cheat days and how many times a week(s) you can take them. Another thing, yesterday I took my first venom capsule and got that awesome rush of energy today I took it and didnt get it. I dont even feel like it is reducing my appetite that much. Has anyone else experienced this?
- 04-04-2007, 05:25 PM
I am currently running the ALRI tri-lean stack which contains venom hyperdrive. I can't say that I get any real rush of energy after dosing it with breakfast, I also did not have any decrease in appetite.
Did you take any other stims with the first venom dose? Perhaps it was just a strong placebo effect based on your expectations of the product.
If your looking to decrease your appetite Zappetite by Thermolife has worked well for me.
04-04-2007, 06:06 PM
04-04-2007, 06:16 PM
04-04-2007, 06:32 PM
I am still eating carbs, im trying stay on 40% carbs 40% protein. Yesterday I took the venom while I was eating a protein bar after I had taken all my other supps. and today I took the venom as soon as I was done with a bagel and water with all my other supps. Tomorrow I will take it on an empty stomach and if I do not get the results like the first day I will increase to two caps i guess.
04-04-2007, 07:47 PM
How did you figure out you need 2000kcal?
Did you figure out your Daily Energy Expenditure (DEE)?
I am 195 and also cutting, and my calorie intake is 2400 which is 80% of my DEE.
I am taking 1.5g of protein per bodyweight lb and then taking a fat dominate approach of 80/20 of healthy fats and carbs respectively.
As far as my cheat days, I am taking a re-feed day every 14 days where I eat anything I want the whole day, but no more than 3-3.5x of my cutting guidelines. Another option would be to follow the 90% rule, this is where you stick to your diet for 90% of your meals during the week and 10% are cheat meals in surplus of no more than 500kcal.
04-05-2007, 12:40 AM
Im sure I sound ignorant as hell right now but I have always stayed relatively lean until the past few months tipping my body fat percentage to 13% So this will be my first serious cut. Try to bare with me while I try to figure dieting out. As for the loss of energy today I seem to still be cutting good. Only my second day on the hyperdrive and already look significantly leaner and strength has been better in the gym and a huge indrease in endurance yesterday.
synx I think I am going to use your first option on the cheat days. I would already love to sit down and eat whatever I like so it will be a well earned 2 weeks of cutting.
Should I cycle the venom? I read that some cycle it for a few days on and a few off and some say its good to runit for a whole month (besides cheat days)
04-06-2007, 04:39 AM
Sat I get 1000 + 2 cheat meals (as much as I want and whatever I want-it just has to be at once. I can't space it out over a few hours.) Most of the time after I feel like I'm going to ralph
Sunday a little more calories and one cheat meal.
This is absolutely the greatest thing I could've done as far as hiring someone. I meet with him once a week and he does BF (9 site). I've never seen such amazing results in such a short time. I'm not using a fatburner either. Hopefully this helps. Don't be afraid to throw cheats in. In my case I carb up and it also kickstarts the metabolism after my low day. IMO I think 2 weeks is a little long to go without a cheat meal.
Let me know how it goes.
04-06-2007, 01:50 PM
Try a anti histamine with your venom. I like loratadine the 24 hour one. I've heard of oral steroids on an empty stomach killing appetite also.
04-06-2007, 07:08 PM
I'm going to be refeeding every 4 days.
I'm about to have 2 meals each of which contains 200 grams of carbs from bagels.
04-07-2007, 02:37 PM
Yeah I think it has been about 5 days witha major lack of carbs and I am starting to feel it. I have lost a few pounds and look much leaner but I cant take it. Sea I really like what youa re doing for a cut. Hopefully one day I can afford a damn nutritionist haha. The hyperdrive seems to be working when I take it on a an empty stomach. I decided to only take it every four days because the appetite suppression usually stays with me the day immediately after a dose so I can still curb my sweet tooth.
04-07-2007, 03:19 PM
A refeed every 14 days is fine. I followed John Berardi's Get Shredded Diet with amazing results. I dropped 6% in 6 weeks and still going strong. I actually have pictures posted in another thread about body fat testing accuracy here. As for energy, didn't have a crash until I fell under 10% bf
04-09-2007, 11:15 AM
04-09-2007, 11:37 AM
04-09-2007, 04:52 PM
I have had great results with ALRIs stack on numerous occasions. I alternated eca with venom 2 days on one, 2 days on the other. I feel it helped both work better and longer for me. I also had good appetite suppression with the stack. Maybe thats one reason I like Venom so much. For me though, so much of dieting is me telling* myself I am not hungry. It can be tough when you have been bulking for a year. Hope it helps!!
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