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    Can anyone recommend a good brand of casein protein, hopefully one that tastes good and isn't too much money?

    I want to start drinking it before bed so as to avoid the catabolic state of sleep.

    Any recommendations would be appreciated!

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    cottage cheese its very cheap
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    A couple large glasses of milk will do the job or check the Protein Breakdown sticky in this nutrition section, I listed to good protein blends.
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    yeah, unless you are lactose intolerant, its not really worth it to buy casein protein. You can get it at health stores, i don't know of a particualr brand that makes simply casein...
    you can go to those herbal health food stores, and they sell casein packets, i have seen them. But you will get much mroe bang for your buck if you stick to cottage cheese and as YJ says milk!
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    Well, I can't have too much milk because of the high sugar content. But, I was just looking for something to take before bed to slowly digest throughout the night (or at least part of the night)

    Do you guys mix cottage cheese with your protein shakes? How does it taste?
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    awful..
    just take some cottage cheese with pepper and salt and cut up tomato.
    If you like it sweet... put some jelly and a little fruit.

    Makes for a perfect before bedtime snack. YUM YUM
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    Originally posted by Kay
    awful..
    just take some cottage cheese with pepper and salt and cut up tomato.
    If you like it sweet... put some jelly and a little fruit.

    Makes for a perfect before bedtime snack. YUM YUM
    That or mix cottage cheese with yogurt.
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    grub on my cottcheese with sprinkle of equal man. just right (or sugarfreee/fatfree pudding mix) just right
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    how much do you eat before bed?
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    go for about 30 - 40 g, depending on how big you are.
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    Cottage cheese makes me want to hurl.  I don't want all the lactose sugar that comes with milk either.  Whadda I do?
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    Originally posted by khafra
    Cottage cheese makes me want to hurl.  I don't want all the lactose sugar that comes with milk either.  Whadda I do?
    Cottage cheese contains little to no lactose. If you notice on the nutritional label, usually they contain little or no carbs. And like you said, lactose is a sugar. So if it contains little to no carbs, then it would have little to no lactose.

    Another cheap option is Universal Milk & Egg protein if you can find it on sale.
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    yeah correct, but some people are very sensitive and even that much might get to them.

    Try the 1% or no fat cottage cheese instead!
    if everything fails, buy the powder and drink it with water (ugh) before going to bed.
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    Originally posted by Kay
    Try the 1% or no fat cottage cheese instead!
    Yeah Kay but lactose has nothing to do with the fat content.

    Just look on the label to see if the cottage cheese contains any carbs. Lactose is a carb, not a fat or a protein. Trust me, I know. I'm one of the unfortunate ones that have lactose intolerance.
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    yeah you are right...
    mine says 4.5 g of carbs, that almost nothing....
    i was just suggesting 1% because on mine it has lower carbs as well... something like 3.5g ...... but 1% tastes like **** !!
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    Originally posted by Kay
    but 1% tastes like **** !!
    Not as bad as fat free! <img src="http://www.gamers-forums.com/smilies/contrib/edoom/throwup.gif">

    I use the 2% I think. Tastes much better.
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    bump to the cottage cheese, however if you don't like it another option may be egg whites. here in Canada, they can be bought pastuerized and homogenized and are as cheap as cottage cheese. the pastuerization apparently is enough to break up/degrade some protein which can mess up digestion and you can drink it from the carton without worrying about getting salmonella.

    also, unless you are lactose intolerant, lactose is actually a low glycemic carb even though it is a disaccharide, so drink milk all you want before bed. it helps some people sleep due to the tryptophan.

    1 glass of milk (8OZ)=8g protein,12g carbs, fat depends (i go for 1 or 2, even on a diet the 1% milk is almost all good fat).

    cheers, pete
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    Originally posted by Supa Freek 420


    Yeah Kay but lactose has nothing to do with the fat content.

    Just look on the label to see if the cottage cheese contains any carbs. Lactose is a carb, not a fat or a protein. Trust me, I know. I'm one of the unfortunate ones that have lactose intolerance.
    yo supa freek, have you been lactose intolerant since childhood, or is it adult onset. If since childhood, then your SOL with dairy products, but if you only had this problem as an adult, you may be able to build up lactase (the enzyme that breaks lactose into glucose and galactose) secretion if you slowly reintroduce milk products into your diet. SLOWLY. you might want to give it a shot.

    pete
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    also,
    arent there pills to help with lactase ?
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    Hey thanks CP, I saw the onset of LI in my early adulthood.

    I've actually tried to take in dairy, but can only do it with products that are low in lactose, like cheeses or yogurt and sometimes ice cream. Never would I even try to drink more than 2 oz. of milk straight up. I literally spent half a day on the crapper a while back when I drank just 4 oz. of milk, just trying to bring my tolerance back up. Think I overdid it that time.
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    Originally posted by Kay
    also,
    arent there pills to help with lactase ?
    Yeah but the pills get expensive. I'd rather just buy the milk already treated with the lactase enzyme. There actually was a liquid form of the enzyme on the market a while back that actually worked pretty well. I have no idea why that was pulled. I loved being able to buy a few gallons at a time instead of the dinky 2 qt. cartons.
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    Originally posted by Supa Freek 420


    Not as bad as fat free! <img src="http://www.gamers-forums.com/smilies/contrib/edoom/throwup.gif">

    I use the 2% I think. Tastes much better.
    never tried anything but 1% or nonfat. 2% and up that much better? (for milk, anything above 2%...and thats the highest ill go....taste too thick and sweet)
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    Originally posted by sage


    never tried anything but 1% or nonfat. 2% and up that much better? (for milk, anything above 2%...and thats the highest ill go....taste too thick and sweet)
    I like it better, I think the fat hides the taste somewhat.
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    Just an update:

    I've been eating cottage cheese the last week and I've still been waking up a few hours later very hungry.

    So, I decided to order some night formula from protein customizer. Here's the details:

    Night Time Anti-Catabolic Formula: (Unflavored)

    40% Micellar Casein

    30% Milk Isolate

    20% CFM Whey Isolate

    10% L-Glutamine

    $8.43 per pound

    I'll let you know how it works
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    I used the nighttime formula from protein factory. Didn't taste bad. Cheap, too!
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    Originally posted by scotty2
    I used the nighttime formula from protein factory. Didn't taste bad. Cheap, too!
    I used to use the same one......it tastes really good, I left mine under the cabinet in the summer time, I guess it denatured or something, but the last time I drank it it came out my nose because I threw it up, yuuuck
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    Originally posted by YellowJacket


    I used to use the same one......it tastes really good, I left mine under the cabinet in the summer time, I guess it denatured or something, but the last time I drank it it came out my nose because I threw it up, yuuuck
    Nice, clown. I use the powder predominantly to have a vehicle to wash down the flax.
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    Protein Customizer is the only one I've seen to use Micellar Casein, which is supposed to digest over many hours (studies I've seen have quoted 7 hours, but I'm not so sure)
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    In regards to lactose we had a small discussion of it's lipogenic tendencies and GI value at BB.com.

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...threadid=75977

    Here is part of my original post there (better to read the thread as well):

    There are varying theories on how lipogenic milk is, and from what I've found there are some who are in agreement with this, and others who neglect it for their own studies (as expected I guess). All-in-all it comes down to our opinions.

    I value skim milk as an excellent source of casein and some whey, as well as the obvious other goodies like calcium, riboflavin, etc. For me it is a cost-benefit, and I see milk as a cheap great way to get a slowly releasing protein, and haven't noticed significant problems with it in regards to fat gain from the lactose sugar. Actually I make milk more of an "exception", in that I believe it's value is worh the simple sugars, especially in the big picture, IMHO.

    Keto diets are the exception here obviously. I have done keto-style diets years ago that have been successful with low quantities of milk, but it could definitely throw someone out very easily. Just depends on your body and which diet scheme you are using.

    I found some links to how carbs work and some opinion on lactose, but again, this is all ultimately up to how picky one is in regards to their carbs, and you'll find articles for and against milk and lactose sugar.

    http://www.planetmuscle.com/article...nt_science.html

    http://www.biochem.usyd.edu.au/BCHM...tures/AJ_3.html

    http://www.fsci.umn.edu/Elizabeth_Parks/bjn870247.pdf

    http://www.zoey.med.howard.edu/2006/Gluconeogenesis.doc

    http://www.unr.edu/hcs/nutrition/pdf/121rk-4-o.pdf

    I say drink up, some don't. Always worked for me though.
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    Originally posted by Supa Freek 420


    Cottage cheese contains little to no lactose. If you notice on the nutritional label, usually they contain little or no carbs. And like you said, lactose is a sugar. So if it contains little to no carbs, then it would have little to no lactose.

    Another cheap option is Universal Milk &amp; Egg protein if you can find it on sale.
    Missed that reply.&nbsp; Yeah, I know the advantage of the cottage cheese over milk is specifically the lack of sugar, I was saying I want to get casein without the sugar, _and_ without throwing it all back up.

    How about Ricotta cheese? It looks nutritionally about the same as Cottage cheese, to me, and it's slightly more palatable to my palate.&nbsp; Anybody know if it really is about the same?
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