[Rhapsody]

I use a urinalysis test strip called Multistix 10SG.

It shows:
Leukocytes
nitrite
urobilinogen
protein
ph
blood
specific gravity
ketones
bilirubin
glucose


I've been in ketosis probably about 5 days. I tested my urine today and I have a moderate amount of blood (which is the maximum on the test strip) and a moderate amount of leukocytes (wbc's).

Does anyone know if this is normal .........I should have done a baseline test before I started but I didn't.

I know this much protein can be hard on the kidney but I thought it would take longer to do any damage that would cause blood to show up.

[scotty2]

Bump for Bobo, Chi_town, etc.

[Kruger]

Protein should NEVER cause blood in your urine. As long as your drinking adequate amounts of water, there shouldn't be any problems at all. What else are you taking and are you dieting extremely hard?

[Rhapsody]

well, that is what I'm concerned about.
Right now, I'm clean.

I was gonna start with some t3 this week as I carb up and add clen, but haven't yet.

My diet is strict. Less than 20 carbs a day, if that. Protein at every meal..........shakes in between. At least one huge salad a day.......multiple vitamin and extra calcium.

All I've been taking is an allergy med called singulair along with a new drug that came out in February, called Strattera.


MatthewD had suggested the possiblity of a kidney infection/UTI.......which is not out of the question...but I do not have any signs or symptoms of one, not running a fever either.

[IPR]

When did you test?

I have seen a similar post elsewhere, and the cause was later determined to just be the result of exercise.

Found the thread have a read

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...ht=urine+blood

[Rhapsody]

I tested at night after coming back from the gym.....


I have read blood in urine can be a result of muscle wasting........but I didn't feel that was what this was.

[tatortodd]

Do you have a personal or family history with kidney stones?

My family has a history and they all had them detected by their urine being analyzed at a physical. They had no physical symptoms, but those came later. My Mom gets them real bad so last time they found some blood in her urine they sent her to radiology (can't remember if they did MRI or CAT scan) and caught a tumor (not the cause of the blood but showed up in the side of the picture) early.

~Todd

[Kruger]

Originally posted by Rhapsody
I tested at night after coming back from the gym.....


I have read blood in urine can be a result of muscle wasting........but I didn't feel that was what this was.

I think its something else, maybe an existing probelm your not aware of? High Protein diets should not even come close to causing this and with keto diet and the amount of animal fats usually consumed actually help kidney functions.

10. J. Dwyer and others. Diet, indicators of kidney disease, and late mortality among older persons in the NHANES I Epidemiologic Follow-up Study. Amer J of Pub Health, 1994, 848): 1299-1303.

11. M. Enig. Saturated fats and the kidneys. Wise Traditions, 2000, 1:3:49. Posted at http://www.westonaprice.org.

[IPR]

Originally posted by Rhapsody
I tested at night after coming back from the gym.....

Clearly you should take this seriously and see a Dr to find out for sure, but the fact that you tested after coming back from the gym strongly suggests this was caused by exercise, not muscle wasting.

I'm with Bobo, keto won't have caused this, your protein intake isn't that much more than your pre-keto or normal cutting diet anyway I would guess.

Sexual intercourse can also cause this.

[Rhapsody]

Well, I started taking Biaxin two days ago (did not see the Dr/had some at home).....and now I have NO blood and just a scant amount of WBC's in my urine.

I guess the problem was renal related instead of keto realated.


I swim in an indoor pool during the winter. But during the summer, I use an outside unheated pool at a state recreational park directly in front of my house......cause it's just more convenient and it's just good to be outside in the sun.

who knows what caused it......but I'm gonna keep a close eye on it since I swim.


Thanks guys, for letting me bend your ear. I was seriously worried.
Appreciate all the help and ideas.

[Rhapsody]

Originally posted by Bobo


I think its something else, maybe an existing probelm your not aware of? High Protein diets should not even come close to causing this and with keto diet and the amount of animal fats usually consumed actually help kidney functions.

10. J. Dwyer and others. Diet, indicators of kidney disease, and late mortality among older persons in the NHANES I Epidemiologic Follow-up Study. Amer J of Pub Health, 1994, 848): 1299-1303.

11. M. Enig. Saturated fats and the kidneys. Wise Traditions, 2000, 1:3:49. Posted at http://www.westonaprice.org.

you should have been a Dr.

[Bouncer79]

What's up.... found this board by way of Chi_town (thanks bro)

I had the same problem last year where blood was in my urine.... I was at about 450g protein/day.... I formed a stone in my kidneys and in turn it caused internal bleeding in them....
My liver and kidney enzyme levels were also extremely high (on scales of 8-50 i was at 151 and 172)..... The elevation in those enzyme levels was due to a few different factors from what I was told.... I was injesting 4-500g of protein daily, plus androstenedione for 6 weeks at this point. I was drinking about 1 and ahalf - 2 gal. of water a day.
I was sent to 2 Urologists and both said similar things to me. Protein will pass through your kidney walls and without propper amounts of liquid to help it be filtered it will crystalize inside your kidney thus forming a stone. The second part of this was that since protein is such a binding substance it had actually latched onto my kidney walls and was literally stuck to it. This is what caused the blood in my urine. The stone was actually tearing my kidney wall as it was trying to be passed through. I was told to immedietely cease the amount of protein to under 50g/day and keep my water up at 2 gal/day as I was. Luckily it finally was able to break itself up and I didnt have to pass it like most do or have the surgery to remove it.
Now what I was confused about was the fact that I was drinking what I thought to be ample water.... but apparently I was taking in too much protein and in combination with the amount of sweating I do while lifting and during cardio it wasnt enough to keep up with my protein intake.

I finally had to wait about 6-8 months for my enzymes to drop and my kidneys were healed.... I am back up at 4-500g of protein a day with AT LEAST 2 gallons of water each day.... I am tested once a month now and have seen no reoccurrence of what happened... I have slight elevations but nothing I need to be as concerned about.... I also have Zero history of stones in my family so maybe the Doctors were right.

[Kruger]

Originally posted by Bouncer79
I am back up at 4-500g of protein a day with AT LEAST 2 gallons of water each day....

Unless you 250+ on AAS, thats entirely WAY too much protein.

And it better be 250lb of mostly LBM. No wonder you had problems.

[scotty2]

Originally posted by Bobo


Unless you 250+ on AAS, thats entirely WAY too much protein.

Agreed

[Bouncer79]

I am currently 206 LBM, and not currently on AAS.... when I had the problems my LBM was MUCH lower but now at 206 is 450 still too much even though I am testing clear my liver and kidneys?

[Kruger]

Yes. From all the recommendations, and personal experiences with people outside the supp industry (no biases), my recommendation along with others is around 1.1 - 1.5g/KG of bodyweight. I'm currently 229lb and usually go for 200-230g per day and that has served me well for all occasions (bulking/cutting). People tend to go everboard when its not needed.