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  1. Food past midnight?


    hey guys,

    got a qns that is bugging me...is there any reason why i should not consume any food past midnight if i still don't meet my daily macros for the day...not enough protein or carbs etc...btw i'm tryin to cut and will this result in any fat deposits back to my body by eating so late?


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  3. Quote Originally Posted by ZoMbSta
    bump...anybody?
    Hey bro! I personally like to pyramid and phase my meals throughout the day/night. If you want to know exactly what I mean, I can tell you here or you can drop me an IM... However, depending on what circadian rythm your body is in, a meal after midnight if it's properly portioned and balanced, can aid in nighttime recovery (anabolic and anti-catabolic).

  4. Quote Originally Posted by ZoMbSta
    hey guys,

    got a qns that is bugging me...is there any reason why i should not consume any food past midnight if i still don't meet my daily macros for the day...not enough protein or carbs etc...btw i'm tryin to cut and will this result in any fat deposits back to my body by eating so late?
    Avoid the carbs, but good foods containing mostly protein like cottage cheese, a chicken breast, or a good casein wont hurt you at all, in fact like the other poster stated, it will help you avoid going catabolic overnight..

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Force of Green
    Hey bro! I personally like to pyramid and phase my meals throughout the day/night. If you want to know exactly what I mean, I can tell you here or you can drop me an IM... However, depending on what circadian rythm your body is in, a meal after midnight if it's properly portioned and balanced, can aid in nighttime recovery (anabolic and anti-catabolic).
    thanks man! really like to know more regarding the circadian rhythm you are talking about? maybe you can just post it here and share with everybody? Properly portioned means not overeating until you are full right? But what do you mean by balanced? will be real nice if you can help out on this....thanks again!
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by scott72
    Avoid the carbs, but good foods containing mostly protein like cottage cheese, a chicken breast, or a good casein wont hurt you at all, in fact like the other poster stated, it will help you avoid going catabolic overnight..
    meaning avoid carbs but can have fats and protein? to what amount? i know never to stuff your face with food...but thats for every meal anyway..

    hmmm....i'm having problems at night caused i feel hungry sometimes..esp if i haven't fill up my necessary protein intake for the day...i do try to drink water to curb the hunger..but not sure whether i'm damaging my body(being catabolic) in the long term..wouldn't be nice to lose anymore LBM since i don't have much to lose...

  7. Quote Originally Posted by ZoMbSta
    meaning avoid carbs but can have fats and protein? to what amount? i know never to stuff your face with food...but thats for every meal anyway..

    hmmm....i'm having problems at night caused i feel hungry sometimes..esp if i haven't fill up my necessary protein intake for the day...i do try to drink water to curb the hunger..but not sure whether i'm damaging my body(being catabolic) in the long term..wouldn't be nice to lose anymore LBM since i don't have much to lose...
    Try "Performance Pudding" by Nimbus Nutrition...I'm biased as I am the co-founder but truly believe in the product...tastes amazing and has the proper protein, fat mixture that would be a perfect nighttime meal/snack...it is sold on, Nimbus Nutrition- When Performance is Everything , or on Whey Protein Isolate Concentrate, Cycle Support, diet, supplements - Home .

    Good Luck!

    Workin

  8. Quote Originally Posted by ZoMbSta
    meaning avoid carbs but can have fats and protein? to what amount? i know never to stuff your face with food...but thats for every meal anyway..

    hmmm....i'm having problems at night caused i feel hungry sometimes..esp if i haven't fill up my necessary protein intake for the day...i do try to drink water to curb the hunger..but not sure whether i'm damaging my body(being catabolic) in the long term..wouldn't be nice to lose anymore LBM since i don't have much to lose...
    Yep, try consuming foods higher in protein like nuts, cottage cheese, chicken, turkey, or casein. You can eat before bed. The whole saying don't eat before bed cause you'll get fat in a myth. As long as you don't go nuts on simple carbs you'll be fine and you'll stave off catabolism..

  9. You can eat whole meals before bed if they're portioned and proportioned properly. Hell, I've been known to eat a 12 egg white omlette (cooked with pam) with peppers, onions, mushrooms, along with a small bowl of fiber one and some almonds right before bed on a cut. I'd **** a brick in the morning, but I wouldn't get fat.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by workin2005
    Try "Performance Pudding" by Nimbus Nutrition...I'm biased as I am the co-founder but truly believe in the product...tastes amazing and has the proper protein, fat mixture that would be a perfect nighttime meal/snack...it is sold on, Nimbus Nutrition- When Performance is Everything , or on Whey Protein Isolate Concentrate, Cycle Support, diet, supplements - Home .

    Good Luck!

    Workin
    You forgot to mention the metric buttload of BCAAs that Performance Pudding has in it! I can't wait to try this stuff and was considering using it in this manner.
    RcB Since 09-06-2011 20:55 EST, Post 49

  11. Quote Originally Posted by stxnas
    You forgot to mention the metric buttload of BCAAs that Performance Pudding has in it! I can't wait to try this stuff and was considering using it in this manner.
    I looked at the Nimbus Nutrition site and I think that they're products look solid. I like those puddings for convenience, especially when you realize you are out of whole foods and forgot to shop. I'll have to try those sometime.

  12. I feel it totally depends on one's insulin sensitivity and reaction to carbohydrates. If you have deemed yourself to be impermeable, so to speak, to carbohydrates then consuming carbohydrates should be of no detriment to you. With that being said, I still like to focus the majority of my carbohydrates into 4 meals: the first, Pre/Post WO Meals, and Post-Post WO.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier
    I feel it totally depends on one's insulin sensitivity and reaction to carbohydrates. If you have deemed yourself to be impermeable, so to speak, to carbohydrates then consuming carbohydrates should be of no detriment to you. With that being said, I still like to focus the majority of my carbohydrates into 4 meals: the first, Pre/Post WO Meals, and Post-Post WO.
    Ditto for me. Meals 5 and 6 contain very little, if any carbs because I'm so carb sensitive..

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier
    I feel it totally depends on one's insulin sensitivity and reaction to carbohydrates. If you have deemed yourself to be impermeable, so to speak, to carbohydrates then consuming carbohydrates should be of no detriment to you. With that being said, I still like to focus the majority of my carbohydrates into 4 meals: the first, Pre/Post WO Meals, and Post-Post WO.
    hey..thanks for chipping in..but doesn't pre WO carbs actualli prevents fat-burning during a weights session? personally i find that i have the best strength and endurance if i consume some quick carbs like mashed potatoes 15 mins before workout..but then again that was when i was bulking..not sure if i should do it again now im tryin to lose fats...you also include some protein in all your carb meals right? all those carbs meals you suggest low GI carbs or high GI carbs?

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Force of Green
    You can eat whole meals before bed if they're portioned and proportioned properly. Hell, I've been known to eat a 12 egg white omlette (cooked with pam) with peppers, onions, mushrooms, along with a small bowl of fiber one and some almonds right before bed on a cut. I'd **** a brick in the morning, but I wouldn't get fat.
    Ermm...wouldn't you be too bloated to go to bed? i will have bad farts if i had that amount of food before bed...maybe its ur normal portion and not eating till you feel too full?

  16. Quote Originally Posted by scott72
    Yep, try consuming foods higher in protein like nuts, cottage cheese, chicken, turkey, or casein. You can eat before bed. The whole saying don't eat before bed cause you'll get fat in a myth. As long as you don't go nuts on simple carbs you'll be fine and you'll stave off catabolism..
    Hence i can safely consume something that is high in protein and fats like peanut butter and stuff and not scared it comes back to haunt me the next day?

  17. Quote Originally Posted by stxnas
    You forgot to mention the metric buttload of BCAAs that Performance Pudding has in it! I can't wait to try this stuff and was considering using it in this manner.
    When you decide to try it, let me know, I would be very interested in your feedback...it's an amazing product I feel is about to get discovered, so pick it up when the prices are low ; )

    Thanks for you interest!

    Workin

  18. Quote Originally Posted by ZoMbSta
    Ermm...wouldn't you be too bloated to go to bed? i will have bad farts if i had that amount of food before bed...maybe its ur normal portion and not eating till you feel too full?
    I don't really get gas from eggs anymore and I don't do that before bed now... lol... I could almost imagine what women feel like when they're going through labor when I went to visit the 'jon' in the morning.

  19. then what do u substitute it with?...u still eating on a daily basis right before bed?

  20. Quote Originally Posted by ZoMbSta
    hey..thanks for chipping in..but doesn't pre WO carbs actualli prevents fat-burning during a weights session? personally i find that i have the best strength and endurance if i consume some quick carbs like mashed potatoes 15 mins before workout..but then again that was when i was bulking..not sure if i should do it again now im tryin to lose fats...you also include some protein in all your carb meals right? all those carbs meals you suggest low GI carbs or high GI carbs?
    I have honestly never heard that Pre-WO Carbs would prevent fat loss man. Having proper Pre-WO nutrition allows your body to remain anabolic in a crucial period.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by ZoMbSta
    then what do u substitute it with?...u still eating on a daily basis right before bed?
    Yes, my body is different than the next person as far as nighttime food tolerance/digestion whereas some people may feel more comfortable eating certain foods before bed, etc. but I'll sometimes have grilled chicken and black beans as my last meal with a small handful of nuts (lots of protein, fiber, little good fat) or I'll do the 1% cottage cheese route with splenda, or a couple cans of tuna, whatnot.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier
    I have honestly never heard that Pre-WO Carbs would prevent fat loss man. Having proper Pre-WO nutrition allows your body to remain anabolic in a crucial period.
    I haven't heard this either. I think a lot of people have a misconception of lifting weights to burn fat and obtain a leaner physique by going a route that just isn't there, so to speak. Following a proper weight training program will definitely get you leaner and depending on the program and the intensity (especially HIT and circuit training) you can increase your cardio capacity. You're not lifting weights to burn fat, you're lifting weights to add muscle to your frame. By adding muscle, you'll expend 10-20x more calories at rest than if the existing mass occupying that area was fat. If you don't eat properly (some are just afraid to eat) you will undoubtably overtrain and end up catabolic and your fatloss efforts will be shot. Aerobic workouts will burn fat. Training and eating is about fueling your body with what it needs, when it needs it and pushing your body to the limits each and every time you pick up the weights and if you're not eating properly when the time comes, you're going to be stuck between a rock and a hard place.

  23. You can eat protein & fat before bed, but make sure you're stayinig within your total cals & total fat for the day (you didn't mention being too low on fat earlier, just carbs & protein). Having carbs before bed isn't going to hurt you either unless you overdo it, although breakfast & pre/post-workout are probably better times for large amounts at least.

    If you're lifting hard for an hour or more 3-5 times a week, it's burning a lot of calories. Yeah you're burning a lot during the session, but you're also burning a lot during recovery. High intensity cardio is the same way. Try it if you don't believe me. Just stop lifting, but keep eating the same amount for a month. You'll see what I mean.

    You should be eating carbs and protein before any hard exercise. Adding carbs to your protein increases protein synthesis and gives you more energy, among other things.

  24. I got some glucophase XR (K-R-ALA) that I recently starting dosing 20-30 minutes before my last meal before bed (dosed at 4 caps = 1 gram K-R-ALA, then I think that equals about 400 mg R-ALA effectively metabolized)... but anyhow... I'll add some good carbs into the mix like maybe some whole oats, carbs from beans, whole bran hot cereal (w/ just water and splenda) and I'll wake up in the morning with every last bit of nutrient stuffed inside the muscles. Awesome technique for good sleep and nighttime fatloss/partitioning and when used with AP, a few reps told me to make sure AP isn't dosed within 4-6 hours of the ALA. Each night time meal has never felt more effective.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier
    I have honestly never heard that Pre-WO Carbs would prevent fat loss man. Having proper Pre-WO nutrition allows your body to remain anabolic in a crucial period.
    Not eating carbs prior to weight training actually is a technique I have used to burn fat in a hurry by completely depleting my body of all glycogen...I use it prior to a photo shoot when I haven't had the time to PROPERLY diet down...It can be used every now and again but I would not recommend it as a way to burn fat on a regular basis due to the reasons listed above...mainly you risk catabolizing to much muscle. In the long run, the more muscle you have, the more body fat you burn 24/7....just my 2 cents ;-)

  26. Quote Originally Posted by workin2005
    Not eating carbs prior to weight training actually is a technique I have used to burn fat in a hurry by completely depleting my body of all glycogen...I use it prior to a photo shoot when I haven't had the time to PROPERLY diet down...It can be used every now and again but I would not recommend it as a way to burn fat on a regular basis due to the reasons listed above...mainly you risk catabolizing to much muscle. In the long run, the more muscle you have, the more body fat you burn 24/7....just my 2 cents ;-)
    I am not jumping to disagree... but I don't agree with that. I may be wrong, but I believe that the only thing that is doing is just decreasing excess water weight and at the same time giving you a flatter appearance. Depleting glycogen before aerobic exercise is good to target fat, but I really don't think it is the same in respect to anaerobic activity. Ketosis is another story though.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by Force of Green
    I am not jumping to disagree... but I don't agree with that. I may be wrong, but I believe that the only thing that is doing is just decreasing excess water weight and at the same time giving you a flatter appearance. Depleting glycogen before aerobic exercise is good to target fat, but I really don't think it is the same in respect to anaerobic activity. Ketosis is another story though.
    Your right, it drops water weight and puts your body in ketosis very quickly...again, I don't recommend it unless your in a pinch...in the long run the cost will out weight any benifits...The "flatter" muscle appearance, due to the glycogen depletion, is quickly reversed in my body by drinking a simple carb drink about an hour prior to what ever it is I'm leaning up for....it's amazing, actually, how easy it is to manipulate your appearance in a short amount of time...lol! Every one is different and I can only speak for myself and how my body reacts...the bottom line is, in the long run, there are no short cuts to a lean, muscular physic and I've seen people drive themselves crazy looking for one. Keep it simple:

    Cardio=fat loss
    Weight training=increased muscle mass
    proper diet=the fuel for both

    Workin

  28. Quote Originally Posted by workin2005
    Your right, it drops water weight and puts your body in ketosis very quickly...again, I don't recommend it unless your in a pinch...in the long run the cost will out weight any benifits...The "flatter" muscle appearance, due to the glycogen depletion, is quickly reversed in my body by drinking a simple carb drink about an hour prior to what ever it is I'm leaning up for....it's amazing, actually, how easy it is to manipulate your appearance in a short amount of time...lol! Every one is different and I can only speak for myself and how my body reacts...the bottom line is, in the long run, there are no short cuts to a lean, muscular physic and I've seen people drive themselves crazy looking for one. Keep it simple:

    Cardio=fat loss
    Weight training=increased muscle mass
    proper diet=the fuel for both

    Workin
    Word. No short cuts indeed and no slacking!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moyer
    You can eat protein & fat before bed, but make sure you're stayinig within your total cals & total fat for the day (you didn't mention being too low on fat earlier, just carbs & protein). Having carbs before bed isn't going to hurt you either unless you overdo it, although breakfast & pre/post-workout are probably better times for large amounts at least.

    If you're lifting hard for an hour or more 3-5 times a week, it's burning a lot of calories. Yeah you're burning a lot during the session, but you're also burning a lot during recovery. High intensity cardio is the same way. Try it if you don't believe me. Just stop lifting, but keep eating the same amount for a month. You'll see what I mean.

    You should be eating carbs and protein before any hard exercise. Adding carbs to your protein increases protein synthesis and gives you more energy, among other things.
    how much carbs, low or high GI and how long before exercise should u use the carbs?

  30. Quote Originally Posted by workin2005
    Your right, it drops water weight and puts your body in ketosis very quickly...again, I don't recommend it unless your in a pinch...in the long run the cost will out weight any benifits...The "flatter" muscle appearance, due to the glycogen depletion, is quickly reversed in my body by drinking a simple carb drink about an hour prior to what ever it is I'm leaning up for....it's amazing, actually, how easy it is to manipulate your appearance in a short amount of time...lol! Every one is different and I can only speak for myself and how my body reacts...the bottom line is, in the long run, there are no short cuts to a lean, muscular physic and I've seen people drive themselves crazy looking for one. Keep it simple:

    Cardio=fat loss
    Weight training=increased muscle mass
    proper diet=the fuel for both

    Workin
    and thats equal to recomp right? i wonder how low a BF% can u go without it be a fully-fledged cut...in another word...how long BF% can recomp get u to?
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