Can you be "cutting" and not lose muscle?
- 12-18-2006, 05:32 AM
- 12-18-2006, 01:04 PM
I started cutting about 12 weeks ago, and I am actually up 5lbs in weight and down 3% in bodyfat than when I first started cutting. I was 215 @ 13% bodyfat(measured with caliper) and currently at 220 @ 10% body fat. So I say it possible based on experience. I actually added lean muscle mass to my frame while losing body fat during this cutting phase that I am on right now. I will stay on this for another 5 weeks, then I will start to bulk again.
I beleive some muscle may be lossed while cutting, but that is what everyone trys to prevent during those phases. I liked to mega dose Glutamine and BCAA's while cutting to help spare muscle loss.
12-18-2006, 01:23 PM
with gear its entirely possible
without gear it is also possible, just far more difficult .. there's no set answer either .. it depends on the individual, his sensitivity to carbs, how his body processes fat, his metabolism ... the short answer though is a very good, well thought out diet with proper nutrient ratios and timing
12-18-2006, 02:00 PM
Knowing your body becomes extremely important while cutting. It is possible to lose fat and not lose muscle while cutting, but you must be very careful and know how to monitor your body. During cutting, I am a big believer in using lots of BCAAs throughout the day and also using supps that focus on nutrient repartioning.
12-18-2006, 02:22 PM
Just be very good with your diet, training, and nutrition. I've had solid success with creatine, HMB, & BCAA's but Tren & Anavar work much better
12-19-2006, 04:30 AM
What is HMB, BCAA, and Glutamine?
So how do I "know thyself."
What kind of experiements have you done to know your body better?
12-19-2006, 10:54 AM
12-19-2006, 11:52 AM
12-19-2006, 02:01 PM
I know my opinion will come off as biased but Anabolic Pump and Cialabol have both enabled me to drop bodyfat AND gain muscle naturally at a very impressive rate. For gear, Tren kicks ass at recomposition.
12-19-2006, 02:43 PM
[QUOTE=massarmor]What is HMB, BCAA, and Glutamine?
So how do I "know thyself."
What kind of experiements have you done to know your body better?[/QUOTE]
Dude, you just...Well you don't wanna know..
12-19-2006, 03:10 PM
You need to heed the advice of what has been said by logging ALL of your caloric intake. When I did this I used FitDay - Free Weight Loss and Diet Journal .
Keep track of your macro nutrient ratios. Most say that a 40/40/20 split of carbs/protein/fat is a good starting point. You'll want to figure out your BMR/daily caloric maintenance and every other week or so add an extra 250 - 500 calories per day to that number until you find the point where you are gaining fat (then go back down to the previous number of calories before upping to that number). This is not a process that you will figure out over night rather you will have play around with it for a while to target your own needs. There's info all over this board about this stuff and it might be overwhelming at frist, but it's well worth all of the reading.
EDIT: Some threads to get you started:
Nutrition for Dummies?
Need help determining BMR
RcB Since 09-06-2011 20:55 EST, Post 49
12-19-2006, 06:31 PM
I'll profess I don't know much about cutting since I have a tough time keeping my weight up, but to me, if you are loosing fat and gaining muscle and weight at the same time, you aren't cutting. Seems to me that would qualify as bulking, or even a "re-comp" but certainly not cutting.
Given the question, the answer is supposed to be a yes or no. But as stated before, the answer isn't that simple. Define "cutting" and it is easier to answer.
12-21-2006, 02:12 PM
Trail and error mostly. For almost everyone, it is about insulin management. You go through cycles of cutting or bulking modifying variables (bar weight, volume, time under tension, amount of Kcals, macronutrient breakdown, amount of CHO, PRO and FAT, when to eat what forms of CHO and FAT, amount of cardio, intensity of cardio, etc.) Make observations and record for future reference so you'll have some idea of what to alter and what to hold stable during the next iteration.Originally Posted by massarmor
12-28-2006, 09:00 PM
01-03-2007, 11:13 AM
I know that Gunther said in an article that because of his metabolism he actually has to eat more pre-contest to get to his contest size, so he loses bf while putting on muscle.
01-10-2007, 06:08 PM
The fatter you are and the less muscle you hold to start with, the easier it will be for you to cut and not lose muscle. As a good rule of thumb if you are well above your bodyfat setpoint and below your genetic limit for holding muscle, you will probably have a pretty easy time dieting without losing muscle. Just follow a sensible moderate diet and training regimen allowing for plenty of recovery.
Once you get pretty lean, I find that cyclical carb diets are almost necessary to keep from losing muscle. Something like a good UD 2.0 or another diet that does a good job at integrating training with diet would work well.
With androgens, the risk of muscle loss is reduced dramatically.
01-17-2007, 01:18 PM
I find an HST routine the best solution for keeping muscle while cutting. The frequency helps to cut more cals and remind your body that you need that lbm!
01-22-2007, 02:33 PM
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01-31-2007, 03:22 AM
what is a HST routine?
dlew308 - yes, but you have to be at the beginning stages of bodybuilding usually. If you're already really close to being cut and you have a lot of muscle, I think it's very difficult.
cardinal - what is a cyclical carb diet?
02-08-2007, 01:01 PM
I can't but others can, so I said yes. If I stop eating as much I'll lose fat and muscle at the almost the same rate. I've tried a varity of supplements and methods, but the best results come from recomping. I just eat maintenence while training just as hard.
02-08-2007, 03:04 PM
The Anabolic Armageddon Stack feedback is showing many people gaining muscle while losing fat.
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02-08-2007, 06:32 PM
02-08-2007, 06:45 PM
I can't really tell where I'm at...I'm trying to cut, I reduced calories to 2000. If I eat less then that, I feel crappy and have no energy. My weight has stayed at 198 for 3 weeks now, which is fine. I'm more concerned with bodyfat values. I'm still gaining in strength and noticed muscles that I never had before (back area/shoudlers/some more in arms). Does it seem I'm going the right path?
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02-10-2007, 01:34 PM
You know, I could easily plug X-Factor here since it seems to be the best total recomp supp out. But I'm not gonna do that (hahaha).
Yes, you can definitely cut without losing muscle. You can even cut while gaining muscle. It depends a lot on your level of athleticism and experience as well as what BF percent you're at. Taking it slow and being in only a slight deficit is one of teh best ways to do it. Keep cardio short and intense and keep the lifting heavy. Use of BCAA and creatine will also do a lot in terms of minimizing muscle loss.
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