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    Can you be "cutting" and not lose muscle?


    Can you be "cutting" (as opposed to bulking), and not lose muscle?

    or will you always lose at least a little muscle while you cut?

    and if it is possible to cut and not lose muscle, how would you do it?

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    I started cutting about 12 weeks ago, and I am actually up 5lbs in weight and down 3% in bodyfat than when I first started cutting. I was 215 @ 13% bodyfat(measured with caliper) and currently at 220 @ 10% body fat. So I say it possible based on experience. I actually added lean muscle mass to my frame while losing body fat during this cutting phase that I am on right now. I will stay on this for another 5 weeks, then I will start to bulk again.
    I beleive some muscle may be lossed while cutting, but that is what everyone trys to prevent during those phases. I liked to mega dose Glutamine and BCAA's while cutting to help spare muscle loss.
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    with gear its entirely possible

    without gear it is also possible, just far more difficult .. there's no set answer either .. it depends on the individual, his sensitivity to carbs, how his body processes fat, his metabolism ... the short answer though is a very good, well thought out diet with proper nutrient ratios and timing
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    Knowing your body becomes extremely important while cutting. It is possible to lose fat and not lose muscle while cutting, but you must be very careful and know how to monitor your body. During cutting, I am a big believer in using lots of BCAAs throughout the day and also using supps that focus on nutrient repartioning.
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    Just be very good with your diet, training, and nutrition. I've had solid success with creatine, HMB, & BCAA's but Tren & Anavar work much better
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    What is HMB, BCAA, and Glutamine?

    So how do I "know thyself."

    What kind of experiements have you done to know your body better?
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    What is the protocol for dosing BCAA during a cut? Like what kind of dosaging do you guys follow?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Warrior
    Just be very good with your diet, training, and nutrition. I've had solid success with creatine, HMB, & BCAA's but Tren & Anavar work much better
    Agreed
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    I know my opinion will come off as biased but Anabolic Pump and Cialabol have both enabled me to drop bodyfat AND gain muscle naturally at a very impressive rate. For gear, Tren kicks ass at recomposition.
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    [QUOTE=massarmor]What is HMB, BCAA, and Glutamine?

    So how do I "know thyself."

    What kind of experiements have you done to know your body better?[/QUOTE]


    Dude, you just...Well you don't wanna know..
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    You need to heed the advice of what has been said by logging ALL of your caloric intake. When I did this I used FitDay - Free Weight Loss and Diet Journal .

    Keep track of your macro nutrient ratios. Most say that a 40/40/20 split of carbs/protein/fat is a good starting point. You'll want to figure out your BMR/daily caloric maintenance and every other week or so add an extra 250 - 500 calories per day to that number until you find the point where you are gaining fat (then go back down to the previous number of calories before upping to that number). This is not a process that you will figure out over night rather you will have play around with it for a while to target your own needs. There's info all over this board about this stuff and it might be overwhelming at frist, but it's well worth all of the reading.

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    I'll profess I don't know much about cutting since I have a tough time keeping my weight up, but to me, if you are loosing fat and gaining muscle and weight at the same time, you aren't cutting. Seems to me that would qualify as bulking, or even a "re-comp" but certainly not cutting.

    Given the question, the answer is supposed to be a yes or no. But as stated before, the answer isn't that simple. Define "cutting" and it is easier to answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by massarmor
    So how do I "know thyself."
    What kind of experiements have you done to know your body better?
    Trail and error mostly. For almost everyone, it is about insulin management. You go through cycles of cutting or bulking modifying variables (bar weight, volume, time under tension, amount of Kcals, macronutrient breakdown, amount of CHO, PRO and FAT, when to eat what forms of CHO and FAT, amount of cardio, intensity of cardio, etc.) Make observations and record for future reference so you'll have some idea of what to alter and what to hold stable during the next iteration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja
    Knowing your body becomes extremely important while cutting. It is possible to lose fat and not lose muscle while cutting, but you must be very careful and know how to monitor your body. During cutting, I am a big believer in using lots of BCAAs throughout the day and also using supps that focus on nutrient repartioning.
    What are some supplements that aid in nutrient repartitioning?

    Thanks!
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    I know that Gunther said in an article that because of his metabolism he actually has to eat more pre-contest to get to his contest size, so he loses bf while putting on muscle.
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    The fatter you are and the less muscle you hold to start with, the easier it will be for you to cut and not lose muscle. As a good rule of thumb if you are well above your bodyfat setpoint and below your genetic limit for holding muscle, you will probably have a pretty easy time dieting without losing muscle. Just follow a sensible moderate diet and training regimen allowing for plenty of recovery.

    Once you get pretty lean, I find that cyclical carb diets are almost necessary to keep from losing muscle. Something like a good UD 2.0 or another diet that does a good job at integrating training with diet would work well.

    With androgens, the risk of muscle loss is reduced dramatically.
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    I find an HST routine the best solution for keeping muscle while cutting. The frequency helps to cut more cals and remind your body that you need that lbm!
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    yes. but youll have to do it very slow.


    bite the bullet, lose a bit of muscle and shred up fast.
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    can u cut and still gain muscle?
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    what is a HST routine?

    dlew308 - yes, but you have to be at the beginning stages of bodybuilding usually. If you're already really close to being cut and you have a lot of muscle, I think it's very difficult.

    cardinal - what is a cyclical carb diet?
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    I can't but others can, so I said yes. If I stop eating as much I'll lose fat and muscle at the almost the same rate. I've tried a varity of supplements and methods, but the best results come from recomping. I just eat maintenence while training just as hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dlew308 View Post
    can u cut and still gain muscle?
    Yes, one can do it naturally with tha right nutrient partitioning agents so long as you haven't too far exceeded your genetic potential. Tha slower you cut, tha more muscle you'll retain as well.
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    I can't really tell where I'm at...I'm trying to cut, I reduced calories to 2000. If I eat less then that, I feel crappy and have no energy. My weight has stayed at 198 for 3 weeks now, which is fine. I'm more concerned with bodyfat values. I'm still gaining in strength and noticed muscles that I never had before (back area/shoudlers/some more in arms). Does it seem I'm going the right path?


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    Yes, one can do it naturally with tha right nutrient partitioning agents so long as you haven't too far exceeded your genetic potential. Tha slower you cut, tha more muscle you'll retain as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dlew308 View Post
    I can't really tell where I'm at...I'm trying to cut, I reduced calories to 2000. If I eat less then that, I feel crappy and have no energy. My weight has stayed at 198 for 3 weeks now, which is fine. I'm more concerned with bodyfat values. I'm still gaining in strength and noticed muscles that I never had before (back area/shoudlers/some more in arms). Does it seem I'm going the right path?
    Yes, that sounds about right. I would try and shoot for a lb. every two weeks just to insure that infact you are still losing... unless you are very accurate with your calipers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dlew308 View Post
    I can't really tell where I'm at...I'm trying to cut, I reduced calories to 2000. If I eat less then that, I feel crappy and have no energy. My weight has stayed at 198 for 3 weeks now, which is fine. I'm more concerned with bodyfat values. I'm still gaining in strength and noticed muscles that I never had before (back area/shoudlers/some more in arms). Does it seem I'm going the right path?
    Experiment with your carb intake as well. I find eating most of my daily carb intake prior to 5 pm works well...after that it's just protein and fat. I would also adjust your carb intake on non workout days...not your total calories mind you, just your total carbs. So you'll be replacing what you don't eat in carbs with protein and healthy fats.

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    thanks...
    I'm now taking heartburn meds, would this affect my workout/diet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dlew308 View Post
    thanks...
    I'm now taking heartburn meds, would this affect my workout/diet?
    What are you taking? I'm honestly not sure...perhaps someone else can chime in...

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    You know, I could easily plug X-Factor here since it seems to be the best total recomp supp out. But I'm not gonna do that (hahaha).

    Yes, you can definitely cut without losing muscle. You can even cut while gaining muscle. It depends a lot on your level of athleticism and experience as well as what BF percent you're at. Taking it slow and being in only a slight deficit is one of teh best ways to do it. Keep cardio short and intense and keep the lifting heavy. Use of BCAA and creatine will also do a lot in terms of minimizing muscle loss.
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    Simple as this:

    If you are cutting and u can maintain your training intensity and secure overload ure on the right path

    Natural mode: maybe
    Chemical mode : oh yes overload is guaranteed, thatīs why i only become a junkie while on cutting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dlew308 View Post
    thanks...
    I'm now taking heartburn meds, would this affect my workout/diet?
    I am late here, I had reflux real bad took prevacid, I started dranking a teaspoon of vinager (with the mother in it) before 3 of my meals for ~ 1-2 weeks and my heartburn is gone. I do get a few flair ups every now and then but it really helped. i wanted off all meds. Hope this helps
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    Quote Originally Posted by live4fitness View Post
    I am late here, I had reflux real bad took prevacid, I started dranking a teaspoon of vinager (with the mother in it) before 3 of my meals for ~ 1-2 weeks and my heartburn is gone. I do get a few flair ups every now and then but it really helped. i wanted off all meds. Hope this helps
    Ok what's the mother in it??
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    The mother means it has not been filtered. They haven't taken all the good stuff out. The health stores should know what you mean
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    Definitely possible for fat loss & muscle gain to happen simulatneously. It happens quickest in newbies (especially overfat newbies), slower in advanced guys closer to their potential.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alan aragon View Post
    Definitely possible for fat loss & muscle gain to happen simulatneously. It happens quickest in newbies (especially overfat newbies), slower in advanced guys closer to their potential.
    It seems that i would fit the bill for an overfat newbie, and i am also looking to gain muscle and lose weight. But i dont know where to start, is it possible for you guys to lay out a workout routine and tell me what i should eat and when i should eat it? I am about 260 lbs 16 years old and around 5'9.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Faith View Post
    It seems that i would fit the bill for an overfat newbie, and i am also looking to gain muscle and lose weight. But i dont know where to start, is it possible for you guys to lay out a workout routine and tell me what i should eat and when i should eat it? I am about 260 lbs 16 years old and around 5'9.
    What does your diet and exercise program look like currently?

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    Currently i have no diet or excercise plan, im not realy sure where to start on all of this, but im playing around with the idea of hiring bobo. I know that i should be eating around 6 meals a day, and some morning cardio, but im not sure what i should do for my cardio, and im also not sure on what i should do for my diet and lifting sessions. Thanks for your help.. i want to start chaning my life as soon as possible.. i just dont know where to get started.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Faith View Post
    Currently i have no diet or excercise plan, im not realy sure where to start on all of this, but im playing around with the idea of hiring bobo. I know that i should be eating around 6 meals a day, and some morning cardio, but im not sure what i should do for my cardio, and im also not sure on what i should do for my diet and lifting sessions. Thanks for your help.. i want to start chaning my life as soon as possible.. i just dont know where to get started.
    Well welcome to AM, and I commend you for taking the initiative to ask for help. I think you will find most members here on AM to be a wealth of knowledge. Just be sure to let everyone know your age, as it will greatly effect the way people advise you. Bobo would be an excellent resource BTW

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    I am 16, i get my liscense march 31.. but have access to a total gym right now, i also plan on picking up a bench and some weights and what not. I think bobo is offering just what im looking for, im not sure if i can shell out 300 bucks for it right now though. I am so greatfull that you guys are willing to take the time to help my change my life.. it means alot to me now, but will mean alot more in a year.
  

  
 

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