Agree or disagree, a very interesting read. "Tax the Fat"

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  1. Sorry Shadow but to not feed a child correctly is wrongful practice and hurts by maltreatement. Wether it was purposeful by the parent or not, it is what it is. There is no way a mentally fit parent can look at a child who is severely over weight and not know that there is something wrong. If the child is cleared medically then their is only one people responsible, that is the parent, as a young child can not discern for himself what is right and wrong or healthy or unhealthy.

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    1. To use wrongly or improperly; misuse: abuse alcohol; abuse a privilege.
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    NOUN: (-bys)1. Improper use or handling; misuse: abuse of authority; drug abuse.
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  2. I stand corrected then. But i still think educating the masses is the still proper way to go.
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  3. The pressures of being thin. I think people are more aware now then 5 years ago of the rate americans becoming or being obese so how about a tax cut for the people who manage to get themselves to a healthy weight and maybe putting pressure on fat food places to come up with healthier iteams then taxing them? just a thought
    Last edited by shadow_manifest; 07-02-2003 at 12:04 PM.

  4. Eating disorders of the oppisite spectrum are a fraction of the problem that obesity is. They are not comparable. Again, the issue is not being "thin", it's being within the accpetable weight limits of healthy living. I know that this can be a relatively dynamic thing for each person but there is a threshold where your BF% is obviously out of control and unhealthy. Why should we tax the fast food joints for someone elses choices. I can eat at fast food places and not become obese, so the obese could too. When the chose two double whoppers with cheese for breakfast, lunch, and dinner I don't feel sorry for them when they have a 65" waist and heart problems. Sure, its sad from a human perspective, but THEIR choices got them to where they are. Same with people who still smoke after all that we know today. Your choice, but you face the consequences. My tax money should not pay for that. Same with drug users, etc.

  5. So the generally accepted (for those of us that accept it) policy would be to tax the obese that have medical problems specifically because of their obesity, right? That's the impression I'm getting, and I would agree with....I think.

    I think the biggest problem here is the standards being held? Who decides these standards? Any licensed doctor? A federally regulated and approved doctor that must uphold federal guidelines? Who decides these guidelines? A federal regulatory body? Who picks or hires this body? Does this go against our Bill of Rights? Are we limiting "freedom", even if it's for a "good" cause? These are only a few questions that pop up immediately, and that's why this wouldn't ever fly, or better yet, why it's difficult to come to any agreement on.
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  6. Originally posted by jweave23
    Are we limiting "freedom", even if it's for a "good" cause?
    Good point. It is also not against my freedoms to have my tax money used to fix someone elses poor choices? When was I consulted on that?

  7. Eating disorders of the oppisite spectrum are a fraction of the problem that obesity is. They are not comparable. Again, the issue is not being "thin", it's being within the accpetable weight limits of healthy living. I know that this can be a relatively dynamic thing for each person but there is a threshold where your BF% is obviously out of control and unhealthy. Why should we tax the fast food joints for someone elses choices. I can eat at fast food places and not become obese, so the obese could too. When the chose two double whoppers with cheese for breakfast, lunch, and dinner I don't feel sorry for them when they have a 65" waist and heart problems. Sure, its sad from a human perspective, but THEIR choices got them to where they are. Same with people who still smoke after all that we know today. Your choice, but you face the consequences. My tax money should not pay for that. Same with drug users, etc.

    I agree their

  8. Originally posted by windwords7


    Good point. It is also not against my freedoms to have my tax money used to fix someone elses poor choices? When was I consulted on that?
    nowhere does it ever say you have to be told where your money is going to...there is no law, it isn't in the constitution...for all you know it could be sent as bribe money to another country...that's the beauty of democracy
    just my opinion

  9. Originally posted by motleybreu


    nowhere does it ever say you have to be told where your money is going to...there is no law, it isn't in the constitution...for all you know it could be sent as bribe money to another country...that's the beauty of democracy
    just my opinion
    Which is why we need some changes in government....but that is for another conversation.

  10. I would rant but I'll leave it at the fact that I cannot stand the sight of fat tubs of **** who have no respect for their bodies.



    Call me immature, I don't care. There is no excuse for the majority of overweight people in this country. The genetics thing is way overblown. No everyone should not walk around with striated muscle but jesus christ, gimme a break. Eat less calories than you burn and you'll lose weight.

  11. Ya its even more sad when your seeing younger people these days that add the college freshman fifteen when they go to HIGH SCHOOL.

  12. Originally posted by Scottyo
    Ya its even more sad when your seeing younger people these days that add the college freshman fifteen when they go to HIGH SCHOOL.
    I dont get the reference?? Sorry I'm slow today. Help me out.

  13. i dont agree with that scotty...when you're going into high school you're also in the beginning stage of puberty...you're growing both height and weight

  14. The fat people should be taxed until they're piss ass broke, and starve off some of that un-sightly adipose...

    Or until they start coming to anabolicminds.com, and learn the right way to lose those pounds...

  15. Originally posted by windwords7


    It's not hard to define Snickers and Hostess products as unhealthy however. Having a fat tax there would make sense. Also most chips and other empty calorie foods. You can still eat them but you pay a little more to cover the damages that they are proven to cause. I see no problem there. Just like cigarette and alcohol taxes.
    Yeah, but junk is fine in moderation. So what are they going to do, keep a tally of how many Mr Big's you buy?

  16. Originally posted by ex_banana-eater


    Yeah, but junk is fine in moderation. So what are they going to do, keep a tally of how many Mr Big's you buy?
    No, if you decide to buy one it costs more than it used to because of the tax.....simple really.

  17. Originally posted by windwords7


    No, if you decide to buy one it costs more than it used to because of the tax.....simple really.
    That would be unjust, since it is fine in moderation.

  18. Originally posted by ex_banana-eater


    That would be unjust, since it is fine in moderation.
    It may or may not be. I pay it every time I buy a beer. That said, that's why we should tax more heavily the people who have health problems because of out of control eating and they are driving up the cost for everyone else because of thier own bad choices. Same should be true for rehabs etc. Fine, go for free but the serve the community to pay it back if you cant with cash.
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