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    Log for ECA stack + Lipo Ultra & Capsaicin


    I'm keeping a log of my results with the above sups. I am 28 years old, 6'0" 212 lbs and probably a little above 20% BF. I'm doing this stack because I've really let myself go in the last couple of months. (two weddings including my own, travel, no time to workout, neighborhood parties, etc.)

    Day 1
    After I took a shower this morning, I applied the cap and Lipo Ultra. I must say that its not as bad as everyone is saying. I didn't have much discomfort at all. It was only after I worked out at lunch time and took a shower, is when I noticed an increase in the burn. But it was definitely tolerable. I checked another guys thread on here on how much cap to apply and he had a picture. I put exactly that much on as well. I took 25 mg of ephedrine along with 200 mg of caffeine and two aspirin before breakfast. I also took the same amount before lunch, before I worked out. I honestly don't see much increase in energy, etc. yet.

    Before I lift, I go on the bike for 15 minutes. I alternate each minute as follows: first I go at 75% ability at 75% max resistance, then the next minute I go 100% at 100% max resistance. I alternate each minute like that for 15 minutes. For anyone who hasn't tried it, I highly recommend it to increase your stamina. I also train in MMA and I have definitely seen results when I'm rolling.

    During the 100% minutes, my heart rate would peak at about 174 BPM and come down to about 158 BPM during the 75% minutes. Today, I peaked at 186 BPM at 100%, and it would only come down to about 172 BPM during the 75% minutes. That has got to be the ECA stack making my heart work overtime. I hope this is still within safe limits.

    As I already mentioned, I didn't see much increase in energy while I was lifting either. But it has only been the first day. Maybe tomorrow will be better. If I still feel the same after a few days, should I try and increase the ephedrine to 50 mg's?

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    This is only day 2 but its pretty much the same as day 1. What is the main reason why people use the capsaicin with Lipo Ultra? All the different products I've seen that have cap in it are for arthritis pain. How does that aid in fat loss?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kegger
    This is only day 2 but its pretty much the same as day 1. What is the main reason why people use the capsaicin with Lipo Ultra? All the different products I've seen that have cap in it are for arthritis pain. How does that aid in fat loss?
    When applied locally, capsaicin helps with FFA mobilization and the Lipo helps to oxidize it...or maybe its the other way around. Regardless they work synergitically to help burn ab fat.
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    Kegger, just FYI, the Lipoderms work best when you're sub 15% and are trying to lose the last bit of stubborn fat that won't go away.

    You'll still see some good results after a while, especially with cap, but just wanted to point that out.

    Good luck with this stack!

    BTW, add in some SesaThin.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja
    When applied locally, capsaicin helps with FFA mobilization and the Lipo helps to oxidize it...or maybe its the other way around. Regardless they work synergitically to help burn ab fat.
    Yeah, and one of the biggest ways cap does this is by decreasing insulin sensitivity of adipose cells.

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    Thank you Sir, I'll give it a shot. Well its now day 5 and I now weigh 208 lbs. On Saturday, I started upping the ephedrine to 50 mg's twice a day. At that amount, I did notice an increase in my energy and alertness. I really like the effects so far. I did keep the caffeine to 200 mg's twice a day though. I think if I did 400 mg's that would make me bounce off the walls.

    I ran out of my first tube of capsaicin which was the .075% strength. I bought a new tube this morning and I looked for the strongest one which was .1%. Its still definitely tolerable for the most part. I always feel more of a burn after I reapply the cap and Lipo when I'm done showering after my lunchtime workout. It does burn a little more but my freaking nips are on fire! Holy mother of God.....with this stronger .1% cap, avoid your nipple area at all costs!

    So far, 4 lbs have gone in 5 days, and I promise not to talk about my nipples anymore.....unless you are a hot chick.
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    will there be progress pics?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mitch911
    will there be progress pics?
    I don't know, I'll have to think about it. I've never been this fat before and its a pretty sore subject with me. I'm pretty self-consious and embarresed about how I look right now. I'll definitely post up the finished product pics.
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    Hang in there man. It happens to the best of us. You just have to rededicate yourself to getting back in shape and it won't take too long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baxter32
    Hang in there man. It happens to the best of us. You just have to rededicate yourself to getting back in shape and it won't take too long.
    Thanks I appreciate it.

    Update: I'm still at 208 lbs. and I've made a weird discovery. When ever I reapply the capsaicin and Lipo Ultra after my lunch time workout, it usually burns a lot more because I just got out of the shower and I'm still hot and sweaty. And my pores are probably wide open. Well today I left the cap at home so I only applied the Lipo Ultra. For some reason, it burned twice as bad then when I have the capsaicin on. I was literally biting my lip for a good half an hour. Whats up with that?

    I'm also thinking of increasing my morning intake of ephedrine and caffeine. Right now I'm still at 50 mg's and 200 mg's. I'm thinking of increasing that to 75 mg's and 400 mg's. Is that still a safe amount? Will I get better results with that higher dose?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kegger
    I'm also thinking of increasing my morning intake of ephedrine and caffeine. Right now I'm still at 50 mg's and 200 mg's. I'm thinking of increasing that to 75 mg's and 400 mg's. Is that still a safe amount? Will I get better results with that higher dose?
    75mg of ephedrine at once seems like a high dose. Probably won't kill you but not exactly good for the heart either. The half-life of ephedrine is pretty short, about 4-6 hours (caffeine is about the same), so instead of taking 1-2 mega-doses why don't you try taking 3-4 smaller doses every 3-4 hours?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TeamSavage
    75mg of ephedrine at once seems like a high dose. Probably won't kill you but not exactly good for the heart either. The half-life of ephedrine is pretty short, about 4-6 hours (caffeine is about the same), so instead of taking 1-2 mega-doses why don't you try taking 3-4 smaller doses every 3-4 hours?
    I thought about that before. I was only worried about taking it too late in the day. I'm already a little bit of an insomniac and I didn't want to make that worse. But seeing as how we are practically at the weekend, I'll take your advice and give it a try. Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kegger
    I thought about that before. I was only worried about taking it too late in the day. I'm already a little bit of an insomniac and I didn't want to make that worse. But seeing as how we are practically at the weekend, I'll take your advice and give it a try. Thanks!
    Yeah, if you have insomnia then ECA within 6 hrs of bedtime is a bad idea. You could still take a dose every 3 hours, and get 4 doses in before dinner. Even 3 hrs apart, I think it's better than taking 1-2 mega-doses.
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    Update: Its been like 3 weeks and for some reason I'm still stuck at 208 lbs. I still apply the cap and Lipo twice a day, and continue to take 50 mg's of ephedrine, 200 mg's of caffeine, and two aspirin, 3 times a day.

    My diet consists of a protein shake using skim milk for breakfast. I'll usually have a sandwich and fruit for lunch, and something along the lines of a chicken breast and rice for dinner.

    I still lift real heavy on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. I also continue to do 15 minutes of excruciating cardio on those days. On Tuesdays and Thursdays, I'll do longer cardio along with really working my abs good.

    What the hell am I doing wrong? This is getting frustrating at this point. I'm not cheating myself and I am really working my butt off. And taking all these supps.....for what?
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    That is very strange.

    I have a few suggestions, though.

    Bump your protein way up each meal. Add two more small meals per day and consider going low-carb or cyclo-ketogenic. Also, consider switching to HIIT on a treadmill.
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    Couple things strike me. The amount of Ephedrine it took for you to really feel anything and it seems you are at approx 1000 - 1200 cals a day.

    Does that seem low to you?


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    Strange indeed. Kegger is eating virtually nothing and still not losing weight. My metabolism is super-slow and even I would be dropping 2-3 lbs a week on that diet.

    Kegger, how much alcohol do you drink per week?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Savage
    That is very strange.

    I have a few suggestions, though.

    Bump your protein way up each meal. Add two more small meals per day and consider going low-carb or cyclo-ketogenic. Also, consider switching to HIIT on a treadmill.
    I'll keep that in mind for my diet, but I don't know how much more carbs I can cut out considering I'm already so low. I'd be doing a lot more cardio on a treadmill if I could. But I have a slipped disc in my lower back.....if I try jogging at all, it feels like someone is twisting a knife through my spine. It really sucks but I have work with what I have. Believe me, the cardio I do on the bike is really intense to try and make up for my inability to run for a long period of time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CROWLER
    Couple things strike me. The amount of Ephedrine it took for you to really feel anything and it seems you are at approx 1000 - 1200 cals a day.

    Does that seem low to you?


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    I know what you mean. Even at my current doses, I don't feel a very large amount of extra energy. Thats why I was asking if I should be taking more. But it looks like that will put me into the danger zone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TeamSavage
    Strange indeed. Kegger is eating virtually nothing and still not losing weight. My metabolism is super-slow and even I would be dropping 2-3 lbs a week on that diet.

    Kegger, how much alcohol do you drink per week?
    LOL, with a screen name like Kegger, I guess it does sound like I'd be an alchy. But I know that alcohol is a real diet killer. I have all but eliminated drinking from my diet. If I drink anything, its usually a glass of wine or a beer per week.
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    Have you ever had your thyroid levels checked?
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    that's what I was thinking, maybe you need a cheat day to load up your thyroid, eat some carbs and get ur metabolism going again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Savage
    Have you ever had your thyroid levels checked?
    I'm starting to think that there is something wrong in this department. My wife is a nurse and she suggested the same thing. My first post on this board was over in the Steriods forum. I had my share of problems in my muscle building stack too. I couldn't gain any muscle for the life of me. Maybe my thyroid is not working properly? As soon as I can, I'm going to get some bloodwork done to look at my testosterone, cortisol, and thyroid. There has got to be something chemically wrong with me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kegger
    I'm starting to think that there is something wrong in this department. My wife is a nurse and she suggested the same thing. My first post on this board was over in the Steriods forum. I had my share of problems in my muscle building stack too. I couldn't gain any muscle for the life of me. Maybe my thyroid is not working properly? As soon as I can, I'm going to get some bloodwork done to look at my testosterone, cortisol, and thyroid. There has got to be something chemically wrong with me.
    Given the info contained here I think the hypothyriodism is the main canidate. If for some personal reason, you can't get it checked at the Doc's (which is my strong recommendation), I'd suggest running a mild T3 cycle with some anabolic support of your choice. If you end up dropping like 2-4lbs a week (which I think you will) you'll know exactly the problem. Note, I caution against self-medicating, but if you must - the latter option would provide some insight.

    Also, if you've got the time: post your diet with as much detail as you can and we can work together to manipulate your intake ot maximize the fat loss.
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    I stopped taking everything in my stack about a week ago. I don't see a point in continued use if I'm not getting any results. I do have a doctor appointment tomorrow at my primary care physician. I will need him to refer me to a specialist who can do the blood test and test for hypothyriodism. Thanks for the advice everyone, I'll let you all know the results as soon as I have them.
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    subscribe....Good luck with it and please keep a good log thanks
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    Got the results back from my blood test. My doctor said that my thyroid level and testosterone is ok, but I do have high triglycerides. I'm going to be starting up my supplements along with a new workout routine that incorporates a lot more cardio, and a much stricter diet. I should get everythinig started sometime the middle of January.

    With a higher triglyceride level, is there something else I should be doing about that to help me lose weight?
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    What are your actual levels of thyroid and testosterone?

    A lot of doctors will tell you that things are "ok", but the values are on the low or very low side of normal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Savage
    What are your actual levels of thyroid and testosterone?

    A lot of doctors will tell you that things are "ok", but the values are on the low or very low side of normal.
    I'll stop by my doctor's office on the way home from work today and pick up the actual report.
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    I got my report back from my doctor and here are the results:

    Triglycerides: 277 *should be less than 150?

    Total Cholesterol: 206 *one year ago it was 170, can it go up 36 points in one year? I only eat healthy food!!!

    Comprehensive Metabolic
    Panel w/EGFR
    Glucose: 99 *should be 65-99 mg/dL

    Testosterone: 379 *out of a range of 241-827 ng/dL

    TSH w/reflex to FT4: 1.36 *out of a range of .40-5.50 mIU/L


    Any experts want to take a crack at this?
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    TSH levels on the low end, and high blood glucose could imply some degree is insufficiency in T3/T4 action.

    From here, it is impossible without further tests to pinpoint the sources of the malfunction (assuming this is even the case, which I won't concede that it is). The dysregulation could be the result of increase plasma-protein binding, tyroine deficiency, low iodine levels.

    Decreased conversion of T4 at peripheral locations (liver, kidney) is unlikely IMO since that would result in an increase in circulating T4 which inhibits TSH secretion. Even though it is in the lower range of the specrum, I'd wager against conversion being the culprit.

    Supplement with some Tyrosine and get your Omega-3's up to lower the cholesterol.
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    Thanks for the reply. Because my thyroid is on the low end, do you think taking some Thyrogen-X might help? I'll try to get in some more Tyrosine....I'm already getting some of that in my daily protein shake but I can't remember the amount off the top of my head......probably not enough.

    I'll restart my supplements, new workout routine that includes more cardio, and my new diet in 2 weeks time. The only difference in my diet will be even less calories than before. Hopefully, that will be enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kegger
    I'll try to get in some more Tyrosine....I'm already getting some of that in my daily protein shake but I can't remember the amount off the top of my head......probably not enough.
    Ohh yea! The amount in a typical shake is definately insufficient. Get some bulk L-tyrosine. It's relatively tasteless and goes down easy in juice.
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    I started my new diet, supplements, and workout routine today. Here is what it looks like:

    DIET:
    Breakfast: protein shake
    late morning: ham sandwhich on wheat bread
    early afternoon: can of tuna fish and some carrots
    dinner: boneless skinless chicken breast or piece of fish with a bowl of chicken vegetable soup

    SUPPLEMENTS:
    ECA Stack 3 times daily
    (25 mg E, 200 mg C, 1 A)
    1000 mg pill of fish body oils twice daily (to lower my cholesterol)
    Thyrogen-X twice daily to raise my Thyroid level (its on the low end)
    Lipo Ultra and Capsaicin applied in the morning and after workout

    WORKOUT ROUTINE:
    I am changing how I lift from heavy weights to lower weights and more repetitions. Much more cardio in the way I lift. I do my workout routine in between my late morning sandwhich and my early afternoon can of tuna and carrots.
    Monday: 1/2 hour cardio, chest workout, and abs
    Tuesday: 1/2 hour cardio, legs workout
    Wednesday: 1/2 hour cardio, arms workout, and abs
    Thursday: 1 hour of cardio
    Friday: 1/2 hour of cardio, shoulders and back workout, and abs

    I am more determined than ever to lose weight at this point. Today I now weigh 215 lbs. That is way to much in my eyes and I will be relentless in my pursuit to lose all the fat I've gained.
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    I'd bump up the Fish Oil to around 4-6g, but everything else looks solid. Cals look very low, so the fat should be burning up nicely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stay Puft
    I'd bump up the Fish Oil to around 4-6g, but everything else looks solid. Cals look very low, so the fat should be burning up nicely.
    Gotcha, I'll double my current intake. Now I'm really gonna be burping up that nasty fish smell now!
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    Update: 1 week down and I've lost 5 lbs....I'm down to 210 lbs. I expect from now on, I'll should be losing 2-3 lbs. per week. The diet is not as hard as I thought, except later at night....I get the munchies. To fight that, I'll drink a cup of iced tea with 0 cals and 0 sugar.....believe it or not, it still tastes pretty good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kegger
    Update: 1 week down and I've lost 5 lbs....I'm down to 210 lbs. I expect from now on, I'll should be losing 2-3 lbs. per week. The diet is not as hard as I thought, except later at night....I get the munchies. To fight that, I'll drink a cup of iced tea with 0 cals and 0 sugar.....believe it or not, it still tastes pretty good.
    I'm all about the Cal free pseudo-juice. Great way ot kill cravings.
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