ephedra

[madghost31]

What's everyone's take on ephedra? I used it for a a few years, and then stopped because it became unavailable. it was the only ingredient that truly gave me energy and weight loss, and it also put me in a great mood. After doing lots of research, i've come to the conclusion that they stopped making weight loss products with ephedra because people were making meth drugs out of it. I think they used the deaths caused by overdose as a cover up. I think most of those deaths were mainly from the people that were on crystal meth. cigarettes are killing millions of people every year but they still sell them. Ephedra is just like any other otc drug, use it how you are instructed, any more you will have major problems, that just about goes for everything. I never had any problems because i use it as directed. what is your take on this subject

 

[Kam]

I'm really interested in it right now, There's just so many products I don't know what really has it or what to look for.

What is a brand that you guys trust when it comes to ephedra?

There are a ton of options on a site I found I just don't know what i'm looking for.

Like is ripped power ok, or does everything that has Ma Huang have it. Sorry for noobish question.

I would like to know, if u can u should add a poll to see what people think. I searched some, no answers.

 

[madghost31]

actually ma huang is a plant that ephedra comes from, also sida codifolia is another plant that has ephedra. i am currently taking lipodrene, it has sida codifolia,ephedra, in it which is almost the same as ma huang plant, but not as potent. this pill also has synephrine, and other good ingredients. check out .........., i just ordered powerthin that has ephedra in it.
the great combination in losing weight, is ephedrine, aspirin and caffeine. caffeine usually comes in the form of guarana seed.
most pills that contain ephedrine, have 10-25 mg of ephedra.

 

[Emiran]

I've tried ephedra a few times and it works great for me, but money's kinda tight and I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions where to get a lot of it for cheap. Other than me not being able to buy more of it, I never really had problems with ephedra. I think I may have crapped blood once because of it, but I'm not sure. I was in another country at the time, Albania, and the food and water could have been the cause also. Anyway, I've seen great results from storebought ephedra and caffeine pills. I took 75mg of ephedra and 200mg of caffeine at my highest dosage and that was a wonderful wonderful day. Focus and energy. Euphoria even.

 

[Kam]

well it looks good and the price and free shipping is awsome, to bad they won't ship to IL. I'll keep looking thanks for the link.

 

[Kam]

MOD EDIT: Rules

found this site, the name says for itself i'm checking everything out, i'm seeing a couple names that I have seen on here before.

Just wanted to spread the info.

 

[pistonpump]

what is the aspirins cause in the ECA stack?

 

[Kegger]

well it looks good and the price and free shipping is awsome, to bad they won't ship to IL. I'll keep looking thanks for the link.

yeah I noticed that too. How are we supposed to get our hands on Ephedra here in Illinois?

 

[MakaveliThaDon]

what is the aspirins cause in the ECA stack?

It's a blood thinner.

 

[Jayhawkk]

Venom hyperdrive 3.0 is a great replacement for EC or ECA.

 

[Jeffrw]

yeah I noticed that too. How are we supposed to get our hands on Ephedra here in Illinois?

you can't. But you can still get ephedrine hcl. If you go to a gas station or pharmacy, they'll log your purchase to make sure you aren't buying excessive amounts to manufacture meth.

it's an inconvient process and it blows. you can buy vasopro ephedrine from a board sponsor which is what I do now.

 

[Jeffrw]

what is the aspirins cause in the ECA stack?

"Aspirin inhibits prostaglandin production outside of the cells, which, in conjunction with caffeine, greatly prolongs the thermogenic effects and increased metabolism by substaining elevated cAMP levels."

 

[Kegger]

you can't. But you can still get ephedrine hcl. If you go to a gas station or pharmacy, they'll log your purchase to make sure you aren't buying excessive amounts to manufacture meth.

it's an inconvient process and it blows. you can buy vasopro ephedrine from bodybuilding.com which is what I do now.

Whats the difference between real ephedra and ephedra hcl? That product says its for "shortness of breath".:blink:

 

[pistonpump]

Whats the difference between real ephedra and ephedra hcl? That product says its for "shortness of breath".:blink:

thats just what they say but it is for bronchitis and breathing problems i think. hcl is still good for fat loss tho, im assuming ephedra is just harder to come by but ephedra hcl is made from ephedra just the salt.

 

[Emiran]

Ephedrine is just most commonly marketed int he HCl and Sulfide salts of the compound. It dosen't really change anything. I mean I've used both varieties and both worked great for me. Both were also marketed for us for treating asthma as bronchodilators which is pretty much the only way you can get ephedra into apill form in doses as high as 25mg anymore. Meth heads ruined it for the rest of us, man.

 

[DazzlinJack]

Can't you just whip out a porno mag to mimic the effects of ephedra?

 

[Jayhawkk]

HCL is the chemical version which was allowed to be bypassed in the ban.

 

[Kam]

Does anyone have any stories that go against the use of ephedra. Any horror stories or crazy sides, because from what I've read on here it sounds to good to be true. I really should look to other resources, but you guys sound like you know this stuff pretty well.

THanks,

Kam

 

[MakaveliThaDon]

Does anyone have any stories that go against the use of ephedra. Any horror stories or crazy sides, because from what I've read on here it sounds to good to be true. I really should look to other resources, but you guys sound like you know this stuff pretty well.

THanks,

Kam

How does it sound too good to be true? I mean it will give you some energy, increase heartrate, burn some cals and what not, but it's definitely not a miracle pill or anything. It's not like a "lose fat without dieting" pill or anything, you won't notice a thing if your not on a good diet and doing cardio. But if you have those in place, it can help you out a bit.

 

[addijhaq]

wondering about dosing of ephedra... 150lb, 5'9"..

should i be taking more than 10mg/day?

i've also experienced tight chest/hard beating heart. especially when running, haven't experienced this with amp. which i'm almost more inclined to recommend. i don't get any sort of energy boost from it, but i do get appetite suppression and increased lung capacity/bronchodilation.

 

[thetimbomb]

hyperdrive 3.0 is what Ive recently purchased. Im on my second day, and to tell you the truth you only need 1 pill. 2 makes you tweak like crazy. might want to try that before ephedra? WHo knows.

 

[madghost31]

i recently bought a bottle of powerthin off the net, works very good, it contains 10 mg of ephedrine from ma huang per serving among other energy components. if you have any heart conditions or family history, check with your doctor obviously, but other than that i really dont see a problem with energy supplements containing ephedrine. it gives me far greater energy than anything else and lasts a whole lot longer. but watch your intensity while doing cardio or in the weight room. know your limits. I believe ephedrine circulates oxygen throughout your body really well, but if you push past your limit you could hurt yourself. i've noticed that my energy levels are so high that sometimes i have to lower a notch just to be on the safe side. i know i have a strong mind, but sometimes you can handle a lot, but your body can only handle so much. example, i was running 3 miles and felt like i could run alot faster, but chose not to for safety reasons.
the point is know your limits, and train smart. listen to your body.
subject on the ephedrine hcl, i bought a lot from a gas station, and began taking it with caffeine. it didnt do anything but make me tired. my advice would be to go for the herbal form rather than the chemical because the body reacts alot different. Ephedrine hcl slipped past the ban because of its composition and labeling of its product. i took it for almost a week and didn't feel a thing, energywise.
if you want an alternative try redline, that gave me the most energy without the ephedrine. i was sweatin like a pig as well. i have never tried lipo-6 although it seems very popular

 

[blackheart]

EC has always worked great for me. Better than Albuterol I think.

 

[ITHURTZ]

sorry gotta chime in here, nice to see a few illinoians here, specially the chicagoland area!. I tried the caffiene, ephedrine last year, I was tired all the time

 

[Iron Warrior]

Ephedra made me too cracked out and gave me a bad energy crash when I discontinued it. I prefer Ephedrine HCL because I get the nice energy boost, appetite suppression, and fat loss without a horrible energy crash or feeling like I'm on crack.

 

[Jblake]

You can pick up a box of something like 60 tabs for 11 bucks at your local Walgreens, depending upon the legality in your state.

It's a brand called Bronkaid.

I'm one of the ones who had health problems from my ephedrine use. I started using it for fat-loss but I'm somewhat of a stim junkie. I'd say I took at least one dose, ususally two or three for almost a year. After a while it actually makes it harder to burn fat as well as screwing with your norepinephrine levels. Causing chemically induced norepinephrine pileup every day for over a year isn't something that everyone can do without harm.

I'd cycle it and be sure to take time off in between fat loss cycles. If using it for energy or preworkout, I'd take time off as well. Forskholin can be used in the meantime because it helps the body recover from stimulant usage.

Does anyone else notice a MAJOR strength jump when you've got some ephedrine and caffeine in ya? I'd estimate it's a good 10 to 15% boost.

 

[blackheart]

Ephedra made me too cracked out and gave me a bad energy crash when I discontinued it. I prefer Ephedrine HCL because I get the nice energy boost, appetite suppression, and fat loss without a horrible energy crash or feeling like I'm on crack.

Acknowledged, there's an associated crash when you stop...

...if you stop. :twisted: But it only lasts a couple of days.

What you REALLY need to watch out for is homeostasis. Your body's going to want to return back up to its setpoint if you let it, so ultimately it comes down to diet (standard answer of course, but at least I lead up to it).

Disclosure: I love stims.

 

[ITHURTZ]

With it in your system I train like a mad man. All focused and ready for some butt kicking. But that lasts for one day then its down hill until I stop for a month and start again. Then I enjoy that 1 day fun again

 

[madghost31]

i have never experienced any major crashes while not taking ephedrine, but i know it could be addictive as well. who doesn't want a lot of energy?? either at work or at the gym? i heard when you stop taking ephedrine, you gain weight. i did experience weight gain, but it was at the same time that i quit smoking cigarettes. so it could be either cause or both.
i read in a magazine lately that they banned ephedrine again on aug. 17th. it said that taking any dose does more harm than good. cigarettes do more harm than good too, so does alcohol, fast foods and other nasty pleasant stuff you put into your body put they don't ban those things. hey, cigarette smokers even kill the people around them. for the life of me, i can't find a direct answer as to why it is bad for you. what happens in your body anatomically and physiologically that this drug or herb is such an issue? i hear that it makes your heart beat faster as well. isn't that what exercise does too?
i can see why it is better to cycle this herb because your body gets accustomed to it and needs more to experience effects.
is it the issue that rises when someone takes more than recommended? that is their own fault, do you take 10X the recommended dosage for anabolics because you think it will make you 10X bigger? probably not. it is much like most drugs you put into your body, if you take too much, be prepared to face some major issues. its common sense.

 

[ITHURTZ]

the only difference between cigarettes, and our body building supplements is ones a mutli billion dollar maker. Would you ban billions of dollars or a few million? Ya its crazy but thats why we have a black market

 

[thesinner]

"Aspirin inhibits prostaglandin production outside of the cells, which, in conjunction with caffeine, greatly prolongs the thermogenic effects and increased metabolism by substaining elevated cAMP levels."

Aspirin and other NSAIDs inhibit COX-1 and 2 enzymes, which are derived from ARA. COX-1 causes platelette aggregation (aka blood clotting) among other things. COX-2 is used to produce Prostraglandins.

Aspirin and other NSAIDs (Ibuprofen, Naxopren, etc) may increase the thermogenic effects of Caffeine and Ephedrine, but the prostraglandin inhibition will decrease the anabolism. So this may not be a good stack if you are taking X-factor.

 

[ICEBERG]

I think my receptors need a break from ECA. I am not seeing the same results that I was. I even have noticed a little bit of unwanted fat around my waist again even though I have been staying clean with my diet and doing all the right things. I am on post cycle and want to keep my gains and avoid anymore fat, bloating, etc,.. Anyone have advice?

I know Venom Hyperdrive is a great alternative. I am going to search the site for similar scenarios but I would appreciate feedback. Thanks!

 

[thesinner]

I think my receptors need a break from ECA. I am not seeing the same results that I was. I even have noticed a little bit of unwanted fat around my waist again even though I have been staying clean with my diet and doing all the right things. I am on post cycle and want to keep my gains and avoid anymore fat, bloating, etc,.. Anyone have advice?

I know Venom Hyperdrive is a great alternative. I am going to search the site for similar scenarios but I would appreciate feedback. Thanks!

Lean Xtreme?

Venom Hyperdrive contains 5-htp, which can increase cortisol levels. I don't think i'd recommend it for PCT.

 

[ICEBERG]

Thanks Sinner. I will check it out.

 

[ICEBERG]

Sinner-
I am taking Retain. I should have mentioned that. I have been on it for 1 month now. I am taking 3 caps per day. Should I taper off with it to 2 caps then 1 cap? I think my cortisol levels spiked because of not tapering. Additionally, I have started taking Formadrol Extreme to return to normalcy with my natural test levels. I am not sure if I am helping the situation or just spinning my wheels. I have kept my stength gains, and probably 97% of my muscle gains. Just need to tweak things a bit to stay on course for next time.

 

[thesinner]

Sinner-
I am taking Retain. I should have mentioned that. I have been on it for 1 month now. I am taking 3 caps per day. Should I taper off with it to 2 caps then 1 cap? I think my cortisol levels spiked because of not tapering. Additionally, I have started taking Formadrol Extreme to return to normalcy with my natural test levels. I am not sure if I am helping the situation or just spinning my wheels. I have kept my stength gains, and probably 97% of my muscle gains. Just need to tweak things a bit to stay on course for next time.

Yeah, probably wouldn't be smart to add LX to the mix if taking retain. You may want to start a new thread on this one.

From the looks of things I'm guessing you haven't done very many cycles. Unfortuntately, I haven't either, so I don't really have any expertise to share.

 

[Kegger]

Starting new cycle next week

I'm starting a new cycle next week to help reduce the fat and water weight I've gained recently. It will consist of the following:

Vasopro HCL
Caffeine
Aspirin
Lipoderm Ultra
Capsaicin

Plus a balanced low-cal diet and changing my workout routine to include more cardio and more reps when lifting. I'll keep a log to let you know how it works out.

 

[monsterboy]

The FDAs ban on ephedra is a joke. Millions of people were losing weight with a natural supplement and it was taking a serious bite out of the Pharmaceutical Company's pockets. By banning ephedra, people will go back to their doctors again and start asking for prescriptions for the amphetamine based pharmaceuticals weight loss products. The FDA will never admit that the Pharmaceutical companies control them, so they just play it off as if they are coming to rescue of the ignorant masses who have to be protected from themselves. What a crock.

 

[roadrage]

I'm starting a new cycle next week to help reduce the fat and water weight I've gained recently. It will consist of the following:

Vasopro HCL
Caffeine
Aspirin
Lipoderm Ultra
Capsaicin

Plus a balanced low-cal diet and changing my workout routine to include more cardio and more reps when lifting. I'll keep a log to let you know how it works out.

Sounds like a pretty good stack. The ephedrine/Caffeine/Aspiring stack is the best weight loss stack there is.

 

[slider]

I thought the FDA banned the ephedra a couple years ago. I didn't know it was still available out there.

 

[monsterboy]

there's still plenty of sites out there selling it. If you pop around on any of the search engines you'll find it.

 

[baxter32]

My girlfriend used the lipodrene ephedra product and stuff really worked. She obviously started really watching what she was eating, but she ended up losing like 17lbs in 8 weeks. Pretty potent stuff.

 

[gymrat81]

i've heard some pretty good things about the lipodrene too. My favorited was the old Xenadrine RFA. That stuff helped cut me up like crazy.

 

[gymrat5713]

Definition of ephedrine to me - makes all other energy supplements obsolete

 

[sock]

Ephedrine gave me heart palpitations. I always had great successs with it as pre-workout or ECA stack for cut, with on and off use for ~ 5 yrs. My last run (~ 4 months @ 3x/day ECA) did me in. No ephedrine products or other stims for me now. I should note, prior to getting back into the iron game, I had to overcome and eight year cocaine addiction. My cardiovascular system has been stressed enough, and I am sure it set me up for problems while using ephedrine. Only stim now is caffiene.

 

[gymrat5713]

Ephedrine gave me heart palpitations. I always had great successs with it as pre-workout or ECA stack for cut, with on and off use for ~ 5 yrs. My last run (~ 4 months @ 3x/day ECA) did me in. No ephedrine products or other stims for me now. I should note, prior to getting back into the iron game, I had to overcome and eight year cocaine addiction. My cardiovascular system has been stressed enough, and I am sure it set me up for problems while using ephedrine. Only stim now is caffiene.

I can take 500mg of caffeine if I wanted an still can't tell that I took it. Damn tolerance has got the best of me. Thankful for ephedrine

 

[Squeaks4ver]

i am sorry but there is a pill on that list of products called "abgone" what a freaking horrible name! Who are the ad wizards who came up with that one i mean come on, if i wanted to lose my abs i would just eat another plate of pasta with vodka sauce. ( i did that tonight!)

 

[football76]

I've only taken Ephedrine HCL and combined with caffeine makes me go nuts in the weight room... i've taken it pregame for football and it's nice for that too, makes me want to just kill the d lineman... Im around 300lbs and i normally take 25mg ephedrine / 250mg caffeine and I never really get the jitters or the shakes at all; I do get a crash on it roughly 6-8 hours after i take it. Also i normally cycle it, ill go 1-2 weeks taking it, then take a week or two off, that way my receptors rebuild...most ive ever taken was twice in a day, I know some people go up to 3 times a day but I would never be able to fall asleep!

 

[KRuth22]

I love ephedra for weight loss but I can no longer stand the runny nose and mucus from the guaifenesin.

 

[mikeatx]

I took Ephedra a couple of years ago. Before all the stuff in the news. I lost about 10 lbs in a month, but was also really jittery and just weird feeling quite often. I also had a really hard time getting to sleep and staying to sleep while taking it. Between the weird jittery days and the sleepless nights, I quit taking it. Gained the weight back at about the same rate I lost it. I don't know if it was hcl or not, but definatly not something I'll do again.

I've always considered it good practice to not take anything that effects the way you feel in any weird or negative way. Its simply not worth it.