[Pumps]

Does neone know if Ephedra down regulates beta receptors like Clenbuterol or can you use it longer.

[RobDyson]

Originally Posted by monsterboy

there's still plenty of sites out there selling it. If you pop around on any of the search engines you'll find it.

yes, many sites continue to sell ephedra, but ephedrine HCl is also available readily at most drug stores (duane reade, cvs, etc.) as an asthma aide. It's fairly cheap, but the FDA regulates it more strictly now(it's behind the counter of the pharmacy and/or it's noted how much you buy). Also you can only buy a certain amount because it can be used to make meth.

[addijhaq]

Originally Posted by Hyde12

I get waaaaaay more energy from Venom Hyperdrive 3.0!!

but still not a safer alternative...

do some research and dont forget to cycle off. . .

as far as fat loss, hyperdrive = anoretic tendencies + insomnia + great energy

eca = anorectic tendencies + lipolysis out the roof + a daily crash if taken early enough in time for bed.

i prefer restless sleep rather than no sleep.

[addijhaq]

Originally Posted by Pumps

Does neone know if Ephedra down regulates beta receptors like Clenbuterol or can you use it longer.

you bet, but not to the extent of clen, then again clen works stronger = quicker fat loss but it doesnt mean either are any better

they :

1. downregulate the same class of receptors

2. both have serious consequences, none any more severe than the other... clen is rougher and the neg sides can happen alot quicker, ephedra produces just as horrid sides but not for a significant amt of time.. for this reason people tend to think ephedra is much safer, which actually leads to more deaths BECAUSE of misuse, whereas a person using clen is more likely to use cautiously and be more thorough when deciding whether or not to use, because of the preconceieved notion that it's far worse .. when in reality it's just more of a potent antagonist resulting in significant and noticeable physiological changes.

3. for what it's worth i'd spend the extra 50 or so dollars that you would have spent on clen and put it towards a pair of running shoes. cardio is much more important than you think. and MUCH more anabolic than any non runner will give it credit for... if you time your meals and protein intake.

as much time as you're doing research on 2 potentially fatal fat loss supplements, you could have been researching proper training and dieting. and if you were even smarter you'd first look at the negs of any supplement you buy BEFORE you look at any of the positives. it's best to reverse the order in which we look at what we ingest to properly understand what the **** we're really doing to ourselves.

i'm not a hater in any way. i've abused both and have (and continue) to suffer because of my own ignorance towards what god has provided me with naturally.

i just don't want:

1. others to go through what i have
2. an idiot to die and then have his death linked to the knowledge and location of substances he abused to forums that matter.

then again i shouldn't worry about others so much.. if they want to die by ignorance. let them.

[surfero6]

I have had nothing but good experiences with ephedrine.

[Wendy21]

I am way to nervous to try ephedra, I have heard such bad stories....it is not worth it for me to risk my health to that extent.

[addijhaq]

Originally Posted by Wendy21

I am way to nervous to try ephedra, I have heard such bad stories....it is not worth it for me to risk my health to that extent.

well if it makes you feel any better. a low low dose of like 12.5 mg a day showed no adverse side effects. there was a study done and the study that found no adverse effects at this dose was what helped to get the ephedra ban lifted.

and if you're that scared i doubt u'd abuse it.

just realize that any higher will produce negs in the long run, just because of habitual use.

i'm pretty sure that my old post about my experience is still up on this post somewhere.

if not i'll be more than happy to relate to you my personal experience.

[Wendy21]

I am still too scared, I wouldn't want to risk anything.

[5meathead]

The safest way to burn fat is a clean diet and cardio. Anytime you take any drug or supplement, anything can happen. There will probably be some side effects. It may or may not help you achieve your goal. In my experience venom hyperdrive has worked the best of the legal stuff. It does have side effects. I had trouble going to sleep at first but it goes away. I did build up a tolerance to it. Ephedra works good too. Clenbuterol is a pharmaceutical grade medication in other countries, but is not approved for use in the u.s., so there is probably alot less variation in the actual amount of drug present in each pill compared to supplements made in the us by companies that dont use good manufacturing practices.

[the russian]

Originally Posted by Jayhawkk

Venom hyperdrive 3.0 is a great replacement for EC or ECA.

I'm hoping that this is true.

[the russian]

Originally Posted by 5meathead

The safest way to burn fat is a clean diet and cardio. Anytime you take any drug or supplement, anything can happen. There will probably be some side effects. It may or may not help you achieve your goal. In my experience venom hyperdrive has worked the best of the legal stuff. It does have side effects. I had trouble going to sleep at first but it goes away. I did build up a tolerance to it. Ephedra works good too. Clenbuterol is a pharmaceutical grade medication in other countries, but is not approved for use in the u.s., so there is probably alot less variation in the actual amount of drug present in each pill compared to supplements made in the us by companies that dont use good manufacturing practices.

Well put. Although ephedra gave me energy and helped me metabolize fat, it also gave me a few unwanted side effects. In addition to sleeplessness and dizziness I experienced some minor renal problems. After 3 weeks of use I had trouble urinating and pain in my lower back. After that I discontinued use and lay off the stims for a few weeks. I realize that these results aren't typical. Many (dare I say MOST) of my friends have used ephedra successfully... but that's not to say that it's for everyone.

[Swirv]

I took this while in highschool one summer. In three months I lost 30-35 lbs from taking this and working out sometimes. It made me sweat a lot, lowered my appetite, and gave me insane amounts of energy. The biggest effects I noticed was a few times I got a little light headed and once I almost blackedout while in the shower after an intense workout. You really gotta keep yourself hydrated on this.

[Minus83]

yeah, if i do any kind of cardio too soon after taking it i feel like i have to puke.

im down about 40 lbs since last december, i wouldnt place the blame solely on ephedrine or anything, ive been eating cleaner than ever and my cardio sessions have gotten more intense (started running / bas ruttens workout cds)

i will say that without it the desire to not go to the gym almost wins sometimes, but when i take it ive got my gym bag packed and im out the door before i can even think about not going.

[msucurt]

Originally Posted by Jayhawkk

Venom hyperdrive 3.0 is a great replacement for EC or ECA.

So is the original version of HYDROXYCUT (which i have sealed & unopened). Thinking about breaking it out.

[kraftkid]

Stim fiend here......

Another thing a lot of people see with this is constipation. This happens a lot in hospitals where its use is prevalent for patients. Never had that prob, but it is very common.

Along another line, i actually crash worse from Synephrine than I do ephed. Can't touch anything with Syn in it.

To be honest, I dont get the crazy rush from ephed with RPM, but I love the fact that there seems to be zero crash associated with RPM. Really like it for a mild, steady energy bump. (and no I am not a rep, etc, etc).

[kraftkid]

PS - As with any stims, you can offset the light head feelings, etc by eating something with it. something with fiber will moderate the effect and smooth it out.

When I take ephed on an empty stomach I know what pooky felt like in New Jack City.

[theface]

Originally Posted by Jeffrw

"Aspirin inhibits prostaglandin production outside of the cells, which, in conjunction with caffeine, greatly prolongs the thermogenic effects and increased metabolism by substaining elevated cAMP levels."

What is the typical dose of Aspirin in the traditional ECA stack?