T3 Worth The Risk?

Gutterpump · 08-27-2007, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ThisGuy02

Best of luck with it, gp. Keep us posted on the results.

I dropped the EVO stack after almost 3 weeks on it. Having overlapped it on my last week of my last post cycle therapy and taking all 3 products simultaneously - I didn't like the way I was feeling on it, especially after being on nolva/trione for a few weeks first. I don't think it's a good idea to lower estrodial levels for that length of time.

I have a good amount of restore left though which I'll save for a later time. This is the first time I've realized how having low estrogen levels over a period of time is horrible on your skin and joints - plus my libido's been up and down...sometime's I'm good to go 3 times a day, other times I skip a day of sex.. Even B5 + fishoil's been doing nothing to help my skin + joints. So out it all goes till a later time (I've stopped just the evo stack itself completely). I'm going to just keep the t3 levels a lot lower than originally planned (currently @ 35mcg) and I'm currently @ 120mcg of clen ed which seems to be alright atm with not as many sides anymore. Thankfully it was only the first week that was bad, without the taurine/poseidon to help me then.

KSMA · 09-04-2007, 02:51 PM

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ThisGuy02 · 09-04-2007, 02:57 PM

Dude, you can't ask for sources on the board.

jwilds73 · 10-04-2007, 12:42 PM

What do you guys think of a cycle of Cynomel 25mcg a tab inceasing 1 tab every 3 days to 4 tabs for the duration then tapering down like this?

Week 1 (Sun to Tue 25mcg daily. Wed to Fri 50mcg dail. Sat 75mcg daily)

Week 2 (Sun & Mon 75mcg daily Tue to Sat 100mcg daily)

Weeks 3-7 (100mcg Daily)

Week 8 (Sun to Tue 75mcg Daily Wed to Fri 50mcg Daily Sat 25mcg daily)

Week 9 (12.5 mcg Daily)

Week 10 (12.5 mcg Daily)

ThisGuy02 · 10-04-2007, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jwilds73

What do you guys think of a cycle of Cynomel 25mcg a tab inceasing 1 tab every 3 days to 4 tabs for the duration then tapering down like this?

Week 1 (Sun to Tue 25mcg daily. Wed to Fri 50mcg dail. Sat 75mcg daily)

Week 2 (Sun & Mon 75mcg daily Tue to Sat 100mcg daily)

Weeks 3-7 (100mcg Daily)

Week 8 (Sun to Tue 75mcg Daily Wed to Fri 50mcg Daily Sat 25mcg daily)

Week 9 (12.5 mcg Daily)

Week 10 (12.5 mcg Daily)

10 weeks is FAR too long. I wouldn't go past 6, including the ramp up and down. Also, I hope you plan on running AAS or PH along with this, right?

jwilds73 · 10-04-2007, 02:57 PM

Yes I'd be running PH's. I've tried researching this and have read that long cycles are ok and that the thyroid is resilent etc but I have not seen a dosing schedule etc for someone on a long T3 cycle. Or someone on throid hormone almost year round (9 months) as has been stated.

ThisGuy02 · 10-05-2007, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by jwilds73

Yes I'd be running PH's. I've tried researching this and have read that long cycles are ok and that the thyroid is resilent etc but I have not seen a dosing schedule etc for someone on a long T3 cycle. Or someone on throid hormone almost year round (9 months) as has been stated.

Year round thyroid hormone is not for people involved in bodybuilding and seeking weight loss. That’s hormone replacement for people with hypothyroidism, and as far as I know, it would never get as high as 75 or 100mcg doses. While your thyroid is resilient and typically bounces back, you always run the risk of frying it, and you don’t want to risk having to stay on thyroid hormones for the rest of your life. Running a cycle that long definitely could have adverse effects, which is why I recommend staying at 6.

The safest way to do it is ramp up every 3-4 days, if you want to go at increments of 25 mcg instead of 12.5, that should be ok, though I’d recommend starting at 12.5 just to ease your body in, then go up 25/50/75/100. If you’re going to go up 25 mcg at a time, I’d recommend going the every 4 days route.

You don’t have to take my word for it, but do yourself a favor and really research this before you take the plunge unprepared and damage your body.

jwilds73 · 10-05-2007, 11:44 AM

Thanks for the input it just seemed like so much information conflicted with each other or atleast didn't explain the difference in Bodybuilding use and long term replacement. I have done alot of reading searching t3 (with a wildcard "*" just so I could search a 2 letter word cynomel, cytomel and the actual chemical name) I'd rather be safe then sorry so a shorter cycle would be better.

datBtrue · 10-05-2007, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jwilds73

... I'd rather be safe then sorry so a shorter cycle would be better.

NO. If you are going to have thyroid problems (i.e because of a family history OR you are simply predisposed) any thyroid shutdown could create problems.

One way to shorten your preposed cycle is to eliminate your ramp down and simply come off at the higher dose. Ramping down will actually postpone your recovery as you wait to slowly get back down to zero. An analogy is steroids...if you are shutdown then a taper down of externally administered hormone will not cause the body to resume its own production sooner.

So just come off at your higher dose and start your thyroid PCT. Now brand of Thyroid Energy is a good supplement...there are others. Your metabolism is going to be sluggish for a couple of weeks post cycle perhaps up to 4-6 weeks even...so up the cardio and increase the carbs (necessary to get the thyroid going again).

If you are not predisposed to thyroid problems than being on T3 for 6 weeks is really no different than 8 weeks. The extra 2 weeks will not "fry" your thyroid...whatever that is.

There is nothing wrong with caution, however...

Keep in mind that at 12.5mcg your thyroid will probably not be shutdown; at 25mcg and up your thyroid will be shutdown; at 50mcg you could experience side effects such as lethargy; at 100mcg you are at the maximum "for sure safe level"; above 100mcg there ae no guarantees.

Also as your dose goes beyond 25mcg you run the risk of losing muscle and a steroid would be needed to help prevent/limit this.

ThisGuy02 · 10-09-2007, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by datBtrue

NO. If you are going to have thyroid problems (i.e because of a family history OR you are simply predisposed) any thyroid shutdown could create problems.

One way to shorten your preposed cycle is to eliminate your ramp down and simply come off at the higher dose. Ramping down will actually postpone your recovery as you wait to slowly get back down to zero. An analogy is steroids...if you are shutdown then a taper down of externally administered hormone will not cause the body to resume its own production sooner.

So just come off at your higher dose and start your thyroid post cycle therapy. Now brand of Thyroid Energy is a good supplement...there are others. Your metabolism is going to be sluggish for a couple of weeks post cycle perhaps up to 4-6 weeks even...so up the cardio and increase the carbs (necessary to get the thyroid going again).

If you are not predisposed to thyroid problems than being on T3 for 6 weeks is really no different than 8 weeks. The extra 2 weeks will not "fry" your thyroid...whatever that is.

There is nothing wrong with caution, however...

Keep in mind that at 12.5mcg your thyroid will probably not be shutdown; at 25mcg and up your thyroid will be shutdown; at 50mcg you could experience side effects such as lethargy; at 100mcg you are at the maximum "for sure safe level"; above 100mcg there ae no guarantees.

Also as your dose goes beyond 25mcg you run the risk of losing muscle and a steroid would be needed to help prevent/limit this.

Yep. I'm actually on my last week at 50mcg and let me tell you, I'm dying to finish. The lethargy has been INSANE. I have to drag my ass to the gym every day, whereas I usually can't wait to get there.

Gutterpump · 10-09-2007, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ThisGuy02

Yep. I'm actually on my last week at 50mcg and let me tell you, I'm dying to finish. The lethargy has been INSANE. I have to drag my ass to the gym every day, whereas I usually can't wait to get there.

Should have taken it with clen, would have negated that issue hehe. jk.

I don't think I'll be doing clen + t3 for a while again..I did lose some muscle while leaning out even at around 50mcg of t3 and 100mcg of clen. I had some weird side effects though beyond the normal cramping, etc, and my latest bloodwork shows signs of adrenal fatigue, so no more stims for a while (after I finish my leviathan). Good news is, within the past few weeks I've started upping the cal's again and the training intensity + I've gained most of that muscle back while looking more cut, which was the plan.

datBtrue · 10-10-2007, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ThisGuy02

Yep. I'm actually on my last week at 50mcg and let me tell you, I'm dying to finish. The lethargy has been INSANE. I have to drag my ass to the gym every day, whereas I usually can't wait to get there.

I hear you bro! I gutted it out w/ doses as high as 100mcg and I was draaaaaaaaging my ass off. Backed it down to 75mcg and still was tired. Nice cycle as far as fat loss but I don't ever want to be that lethargic again.

For me Clen wouldn't be an option...the risk to the heart is too great IMO.

When you come off T3 and the lethargy goes away it feels so goood! Hang in there Guy you're almost done.

ThisGuy02 · 10-10-2007, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by datBtrue

I hear you bro! I gutted it out w/ doses as high as 100mcg and I was draaaaaaaaging my ass off. Backed it down to 75mcg and still was tired. Nice cycle as far as fat loss but I don't ever want to be that lethargic again.

For me Clen wouldn't be an option...the risk to the heart is too great IMO.

When you come off T3 and the lethargy goes away it feels so goood! Hang in there Guy you're almost done.

Thanks man. I'm looking forward to it. Actually, I'm doing the taper thing, so starting Friday I'll be at 37.5 for 3 days, then 25, then 12.5, so at least I'm looking forward to feeling less tired. Also, I've noticed I'm sleeping soooo much more. I'm normally up by like 7:30 and lately I'm snoozing through 8:30am and still dragging ass to get up.

Ditto for me with clen. The tight feeling you get on t3 has been weird enough. I don't think I could handle the palpitations that adding clen would bring.

**acshadow** · 10-28-2007, 12:42 AM

never just drop off of a thyroid cycle. you absolutely need to ramp down. i have never read, anywhere, that ramping down is not necessary. in fact i have read some pretty crazy things about people who have stopped cold turkey.

datBtrue · 10-28-2007, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by acshadow

never just drop off of a thyroid cycle. you absolutely need to ramp down. i have never read, anywhere, that ramping down is not necessary. in fact i have read some pretty crazy things about people who have stopped cold turkey.

You are better off asking those in the medical profession that have some experience in this area.

If you have some time when you get a chance I'd enjoy reading your specific reasons for stating "you absolutely need to ramp down".

bodyfort · 11-10-2007, 07:02 AM

love t3. For the first time I feel the heat from my palm and im only using 25 mcg or 50 mcg. I suggest not go far from those dosage cause a little help should make something difference.

sreeja · 12-18-2007, 03:49 AM

I don't know much about this . i think Use conservatively it is no problem

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