[Jayhawkk]

Up to 50mcg is usually not going to have a muscle wasting effect if calorie intake is sufficient. I've taken 25mcg with no hormonal products and had no wasting.

[MANimal]

Originally Posted by Jayhawkk

Up to 50mcg is usually not going to have a muscle wasting effect if calorie intake is sufficient. I've taken 25mcg with no hormonal products and had no wasting.

Thanks. I've always kept away from T3 because everyone said it's extremely catabolic and I don't like wasting muscle just in seeking fat loss. Heck, I've done dnp a couple of times but not T3. Time to give it a go

[Jayhawkk]

It's not as bad as people say but you are already familiar with the sides if you've done DNP. A lot of people stack t-3 with clen but i've found venom hyperdrive goes extremely well with t-3.

[MANimal]

Originally Posted by Jayhawkk

It's not as bad as people say but you are already familiar with the sides if you've done DNP. A lot of people stack t-3 with clen but i've found venom hyperdrive goes extremely well with t-3.

Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't T4 to T3 conversion to go absolute downs while on DNP. That is one of the reasons why people feel lethargic, unenergetic, etc.

[CNorris]

So its OK to take ECA or Albuterol with T3? Im on my first day, slowly ramping up. I only took about 15mcg today, and will take the same tomorrow. What side effects can I expect when I eventually reach 75 mcg? I expect raised heart rate/body temp.

[Kam]

Looking forward to your log and also what you will be stacking with it. Good thread, keep up the info and progress reports.

[Sendo]

Originally Posted by CNorris

So its OK to take ECA or Albuterol with T3? Im on my first day, slowly ramping up. I only took about 15mcg today, and will take the same tomorrow. What side effects can I expect when I eventually reach 75 mcg? I expect raised heart rate/body temp.

I wouldn't recommend ECA with T3. You'll be really jittery and your heart might not like you very well. The very first time I did T3 I stacked it with Albuterol. To be honestI can't ay whether the Albuterol did it's job or not. I lost about 2lbs lbm. Which isn't bad I suppose but typically even on fatloss I'm able to gain about 2-3lbs of LBM (my body packs on weight in almost any condition).

Summary.. No to ECA with T3... Yes to Albuterol with T3.

As far as sides, I notice I'm mildly warmer but nothing incredibly noticable. Also my heart rate is harder and slightly faster.

[CNorris]

Originally Posted by Sendo

I wouldn't recommend ECA with T3. You'll be really jittery and your heart might not like you very well. The very first time I did T3 I stacked it with Albuterol. To be honestI can't ay whether the Albuterol did it's job or not. I lost about 2lbs lbm. Which isn't bad I suppose but typically even on fatloss I'm able to gain about 2-3lbs of LBM (my body packs on weight in almost any condition).

Summary.. No to ECA with T3... Yes to Albuterol with T3.

As far as sides, I notice I'm mildly warmer but nothing incredibly noticable. Also my heart rate is harder and slightly faster.

Thanks for the reply. I took 2 stacker 2's with only about 15-20 mcg T3 today. I took the same yesterday. Yesterday I felt ok, but I felt like total crap today. Tonight I had such a bad headache I didnt even make it to the gym as planned. I will have to find a substitute to keep me awake tomorrow. Maybe ill pick up some suger free Monster Energy Drink, or Tea. I felt so bad today I skipped my dose of T3. I will resume tomorrow at 25mcg and stop taking ECA. I really dont think my T3 cycle will work without ECA because my appetite will for sure be up. I guess ill have to use some more self control.

[tomall2]

Currently finishing up an unusual 7 week, T3 study. Subject slowly ramped up to 75mcg, ramped back down to 25mcg, then ramped back up to 62.5mcg and now finishing up this week by ramping back down to 25mcg.

Hyperdrive 3.0 was used throughout the study. Superdrol was used for the first 3 weeks and had to be discontinued because of some strange development that the Doctor found to be nothing worth looking into further. Therefore, Superdrol was reintroduced this week as part of post cycle therapy and increased activity.

Lethargic sides resulting from the T3 disappeared towards the end of the first ramp down and were only slightly noticeable upon ramping the dose back up. Increased heart rate was constant throughout but did begin to decrease this week as the dose was ramped down. Exercise was inconsistent throught study due to the development of a problem that was never identified by medical professionals.

Initial weight gain of 5 lbs was followed by a loss of 15lbs and since activity has increased this week and Superdrol has been reintroduced, an increase of 2 lbs has resulted. As of right now, subject has lost a total of 8lbs. Blood tests are scheduled for the 31st.

[rampage jackson]

Originally Posted by tomall2

Currently finishing up an unusual 7 week, T3 study. Subject slowly ramped up to 75mcg, ramped back down to 25mcg, then ramped back up to 62.5mcg and now finishing up this week by ramping back down to 25mcg.

Hyperdrive 3.0 was used throughout the study. Superdrol was used for the first 3 weeks and had to be discontinued because of some strange development that the Doctor found to be nothing worth looking into further. Therefore, Superdrol was reintroduced this week as part of post cycle therapy and increased activity.

Lethargic sides resulting from the T3 disappeared towards the end of the first ramp down and were only slightly noticeable upon ramping the dose back up. Increased heart rate was constant throughout but did begin to decrease this week as the dose was ramped down. Exercise was inconsistent throught study due to the development of a problem that was never identified by medical professionals.

Initial weight gain of 5 lbs was followed by a loss of 15lbs and since activity has increased this week and Superdrol has been reintroduced, an increase of 2 lbs has resulted. As of right now, subject has lost a total of 8lbs. Blood tests are scheduled for the 31st.

....sooo what was the hypothesis being tested out in this "study"?

[tomall2]

Hypothesis? I knew I forgot something. Guess I'm gonna have to do it all over again.

If you're asking why it is unusual, it's because I haven't seen a 7 week cycle posted anywhere. And because of the complications experienced at the beginning of the cycle, I was kind of curious to see what would happen if I ramped it back up and down again after everything was cleared to resume physical activity.

[CEDeoudes59]

Originally Posted by Jayhawkk

Up to 50mcg is usually not going to have a muscle wasting effect if calorie intake is sufficient. I've taken 25mcg with no hormonal products and had no wasting.

I know my AAS', but honestly I'm so ignorant on the thyroid hormones. Hence a sub-par waist line and moonface 10hours of the day.

I read that T3, among other things, is amazing for keeping off the bloat when used on cycle.

How many bros use a 25-50mcg or other moderate dose to do just that and speed up the metabolism.

is this better than the 25/50/75/100/taper down 3 week protocol?

shutdown seems like a myth if the doses are kept small.

any thoughts?

[tomall2]

Going on 3rd week off T-3. Test subject has not experienced any rebound effect as of yet. Only negative thus far is the rapid heart rate which finally seems to be slowly returning to a more acceptable/comfortable level.

Along your lines of thought, the subject was never given higher than 75 and not for more than 4 days in a row. Toward end of test, belief was to keep dosing T-3 in moderation while slowly bringing it back down to 25. Sometimes that required a 2 step forward one step back approach just to keep levels moderated more evenly.

Based on this test, subject did not notice any significant difference between doses of 62.5 and 75.

There is more literary info available with some stating that a dose of 12.5 is all you need to supplement your natural T-3 without having to worry about shut down. Hhmmm, sounds like a research project for another day.

Good luck.

[not_big_enuf]

Originally Posted by Jayhawkk

A lot of people stack t-3 with clen but i've found venom hyperdrive goes extremely well with t-3.

AGREED! Great post Jayhawkk!!!!!!!! T3 plus Venom is a GREAT way too go. Keep the protein high and cals where they should be and you'll have NO problems losing weight and should lose little to no muscle mass. T3 is nowhere near as catabolic as some say but it highly depends on what your diet is like.

[skratch]

I use to swear by t3 being the best thyroid drug but after hitting another triax cycle I can say from first hand that triax blows it out the door in fat loss.

I wasnt taking any extra ****s on t3 or t4 or even t2(iv tried them all...but on triax by the 3rd day I would literally **** the food out 15 min after eating it...I was up to 6 ****s a day and losing about 3-4 lbs a week

IM saying this because you can literally feel your body processing the food you eat.If you dont eat carbs you feel like a zombe and have no energy at all.T3 made me a little more hotter but the fat loss was not the same.

there is a study done on triax and it was like 10x more potant than t3 for fat loss....Ill look for it

[not_big_enuf]

Originally Posted by skratch

I use to swear by t3 being the best thyroid drug but after hitting another triax cycle I can say from first hand that triax blows it out the door in fat loss.

I wasnt taking any extra ****s on t3 or t4 or even t2(iv tried them all...but on triax by the 3rd day I would literally **** the food out 15 min after eating it...I was up to 6 ****s a day and losing about 3-4 lbs a week

IM saying this because you can literally feel your body processing the food you eat.If you dont eat carbs you feel like a zombe and have no energy at all.T3 made me a little more hotter but the fat loss was not the same.

there is a study done on triax and it was like 10x more potant than t3 for fat loss....Ill look for it

Triax DOES blow T3 out of the water, but I can't find Triax ANYWHERE. If anyone has a lead on it.......