Up to 50mcg is usually not going to have a muscle wasting effect if calorie intake is sufficient. I've taken 25mcg with no hormonal products and had no wasting.

Originally Posted by Jayhawkk

Up to 50mcg is usually not going to have a muscle wasting effect if calorie intake is sufficient. I've taken 25mcg with no hormonal products and had no wasting.

Thanks. I've always kept away from T3 because everyone said it's extremely catabolic and I don't like wasting muscle just in seeking fat loss. Heck, I've done dnp a couple of times but not T3. Time to give it a go

It's not as bad as people say but you are already familiar with the sides if you've done DNP. A lot of people stack t-3 with clen but i've found venom hyperdrive goes extremely well with t-3.

Originally Posted by Jayhawkk

It's not as bad as people say but you are already familiar with the sides if you've done DNP. A lot of people stack t-3 with clen but i've found venom hyperdrive goes extremely well with t-3.

Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't T4 to T3 conversion to go absolute downs while on DNP. That is one of the reasons why people feel lethargic, unenergetic, etc.

So its OK to take ECA or Albuterol with T3? Im on my first day, slowly ramping up. I only took about 15mcg today, and will take the same tomorrow. What side effects can I expect when I eventually reach 75 mcg? I expect raised heart rate/body temp.

Looking forward to your log and also what you will be stacking with it. Good thread, keep up the info and progress reports.

Originally Posted by CNorris

So its OK to take ECA or Albuterol with T3? Im on my first day, slowly ramping up. I only took about 15mcg today, and will take the same tomorrow. What side effects can I expect when I eventually reach 75 mcg? I expect raised heart rate/body temp.

I wouldn't recommend ECA with T3. You'll be really jittery and your heart might not like you very well. The very first time I did T3 I stacked it with Albuterol. To be honestI can't ay whether the Albuterol did it's job or not. I lost about 2lbs lbm. Which isn't bad I suppose but typically even on fatloss I'm able to gain about 2-3lbs of LBM (my body packs on weight in almost any condition).

Summary.. No to ECA with T3... Yes to Albuterol with T3.

As far as sides, I notice I'm mildly warmer but nothing incredibly noticable. Also my heart rate is harder and slightly faster.

Originally Posted by Sendo

I wouldn't recommend ECA with T3. You'll be really jittery and your heart might not like you very well. The very first time I did T3 I stacked it with Albuterol. To be honestI can't ay whether the Albuterol did it's job or not. I lost about 2lbs lbm. Which isn't bad I suppose but typically even on fatloss I'm able to gain about 2-3lbs of LBM (my body packs on weight in almost any condition).

Summary.. No to ECA with T3... Yes to Albuterol with T3.

As far as sides, I notice I'm mildly warmer but nothing incredibly noticable. Also my heart rate is harder and slightly faster.

Thanks for the reply. I took 2 stacker 2's with only about 15-20 mcg T3 today. I took the same yesterday. Yesterday I felt ok, but I felt like total crap today. Tonight I had such a bad headache I didnt even make it to the gym as planned. I will have to find a substitute to keep me awake tomorrow. Maybe ill pick up some suger free Monster Energy Drink, or Tea. I felt so bad today I skipped my dose of T3. I will resume tomorrow at 25mcg and stop taking ECA. I really dont think my T3 cycle will work without ECA because my appetite will for sure be up. I guess ill have to use some more self control.

Currently finishing up an unusual 7 week, T3 study. Subject slowly ramped up to 75mcg, ramped back down to 25mcg, then ramped back up to 62.5mcg and now finishing up this week by ramping back down to 25mcg.

Hyperdrive 3.0 was used throughout the study. Superdrol was used for the first 3 weeks and had to be discontinued because of some strange development that the Doctor found to be nothing worth looking into further. Therefore, Superdrol was reintroduced this week as part of post cycle therapy and increased activity.

Lethargic sides resulting from the T3 disappeared towards the end of the first ramp down and were only slightly noticeable upon ramping the dose back up. Increased heart rate was constant throughout but did begin to decrease this week as the dose was ramped down. Exercise was inconsistent throught study due to the development of a problem that was never identified by medical professionals.

Initial weight gain of 5 lbs was followed by a loss of 15lbs and since activity has increased this week and Superdrol has been reintroduced, an increase of 2 lbs has resulted. As of right now, subject has lost a total of 8lbs. Blood tests are scheduled for the 31st.

Originally Posted by tomall2

Currently finishing up an unusual 7 week, T3 study. Subject slowly ramped up to 75mcg, ramped back down to 25mcg, then ramped back up to 62.5mcg and now finishing up this week by ramping back down to 25mcg.

Hyperdrive 3.0 was used throughout the study. Superdrol was used for the first 3 weeks and had to be discontinued because of some strange development that the Doctor found to be nothing worth looking into further. Therefore, Superdrol was reintroduced this week as part of post cycle therapy and increased activity.

Lethargic sides resulting from the T3 disappeared towards the end of the first ramp down and were only slightly noticeable upon ramping the dose back up. Increased heart rate was constant throughout but did begin to decrease this week as the dose was ramped down. Exercise was inconsistent throught study due to the development of a problem that was never identified by medical professionals.

Initial weight gain of 5 lbs was followed by a loss of 15lbs and since activity has increased this week and Superdrol has been reintroduced, an increase of 2 lbs has resulted. As of right now, subject has lost a total of 8lbs. Blood tests are scheduled for the 31st.

....sooo what was the hypothesis being tested out in this "study"?

Hypothesis? I knew I forgot something. Guess I'm gonna have to do it all over again.

If you're asking why it is unusual, it's because I haven't seen a 7 week cycle posted anywhere. And because of the complications experienced at the beginning of the cycle, I was kind of curious to see what would happen if I ramped it back up and down again after everything was cleared to resume physical activity.

Originally Posted by Jayhawkk

Up to 50mcg is usually not going to have a muscle wasting effect if calorie intake is sufficient. I've taken 25mcg with no hormonal products and had no wasting.

I know my AAS', but honestly I'm so ignorant on the thyroid hormones. Hence a sub-par waist line and moonface 10hours of the day.

I read that T3, among other things, is amazing for keeping off the bloat when used on cycle.

How many bros use a 25-50mcg or other moderate dose to do just that and speed up the metabolism.

is this better than the 25/50/75/100/taper down 3 week protocol?

shutdown seems like a myth if the doses are kept small.

any thoughts?

Going on 3rd week off T-3. Test subject has not experienced any rebound effect as of yet. Only negative thus far is the rapid heart rate which finally seems to be slowly returning to a more acceptable/comfortable level.

Along your lines of thought, the subject was never given higher than 75 and not for more than 4 days in a row. Toward end of test, belief was to keep dosing T-3 in moderation while slowly bringing it back down to 25. Sometimes that required a 2 step forward one step back approach just to keep levels moderated more evenly.

Based on this test, subject did not notice any significant difference between doses of 62.5 and 75.

There is more literary info available with some stating that a dose of 12.5 is all you need to supplement your natural T-3 without having to worry about shut down. Hhmmm, sounds like a research project for another day.

Good luck.

Originally Posted by Jayhawkk

A lot of people stack t-3 with clen but i've found venom hyperdrive goes extremely well with t-3.

AGREED! Great post Jayhawkk!!!!!!!! T3 plus Venom is a GREAT way too go. Keep the protein high and cals where they should be and you'll have NO problems losing weight and should lose little to no muscle mass. T3 is nowhere near as catabolic as some say but it highly depends on what your diet is like.

I use to swear by t3 being the best thyroid drug but after hitting another triax cycle I can say from first hand that triax blows it out the door in fat loss.

I wasnt taking any extra ****s on t3 or t4 or even t2(iv tried them all...but on triax by the 3rd day I would literally **** the food out 15 min after eating it...I was up to 6 ****s a day and losing about 3-4 lbs a week

IM saying this because you can literally feel your body processing the food you eat.If you dont eat carbs you feel like a zombe and have no energy at all.T3 made me a little more hotter but the fat loss was not the same.

there is a study done on triax and it was like 10x more potant than t3 for fat loss....Ill look for it

Originally Posted by skratch

I use to swear by t3 being the best thyroid drug but after hitting another triax cycle I can say from first hand that triax blows it out the door in fat loss.

I wasnt taking any extra ****s on t3 or t4 or even t2(iv tried them all...but on triax by the 3rd day I would literally **** the food out 15 min after eating it...I was up to 6 ****s a day and losing about 3-4 lbs a week

IM saying this because you can literally feel your body processing the food you eat.If you dont eat carbs you feel like a zombe and have no energy at all.T3 made me a little more hotter but the fat loss was not the same.

there is a study done on triax and it was like 10x more potant than t3 for fat loss....Ill look for it

Triax DOES blow T3 out of the water, but I can't find Triax ANYWHERE. If anyone has a lead on it.......

If was going to do a 4 week T3 cycle, what would you guys recommend as the dosage schedule as far as ramp up and then down.

I am 6'2 223 pounds. Looking to lose fat and getting cut. Would stack with mega bulk aminos, hyperdrol, Retain, and maybe some Novedex or Rebound.

Would be able to stack with a Redline for lethargy???

Please help me out here!!!!!!!!!!!!

Or would be safer to take albuteral but want what will give me best effect.

What is Triax anyway?

Nevermind i just looked it up, not seeing any good info on it though it sounds dangerous. Anyone get good effects from T2?

triax, trimax, tiratricol is NOT dangerous at all. in fact, it's much less dangerous than T3, and, in my experience extremely effective.

This would be first time with either of these two, so which do you guys recommend: T3 or Clen???? Really looking to cut fat and get cut. Also, want to be safe as well.

What would you guys stack with them??? Really looking for help and advise from people who have used them.
-Ephedrine, Stims (Lipo 6, etc)

Don't have any experiance with either, but wouldn't stacking lipo 6 or ephedrine with either one of the those compounds be akin to throwing a match in a burning building?

doesn't t3 stress the heart pretty badly? If thats the case why would you combo it w/ ECA or stims? Albuterol really doesnt speed heart rate that much at all and seems like it would be just as effective.

Originally Posted by TURUGBY

doesn't t3 stress the heart pretty badly? If thats the case why would you combo it w/ ECA or stims? Albuterol really doesnt speed heart rate that much at all and seems like it would be just as effective.

I don't know how T3 can put that much stress on your heart. I know people who've used it for years... in fact, it's prescribed for patients with thryroid issues long term. That's not to say it's not stressful, but short term use should be pretty safe.

Originally Posted by TURUGBY

doesn't t3 stress the heart pretty badly? If thats the case why would you combo it w/ ECA or stims? Albuterol really doesnt speed heart rate that much at all and seems like it would be just as effective.

you are thinking of clenbuterol compared with albuterol, not t3
it is dose dependent as well

Hey, we have the same rep points... STOP COPYING ME!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Jayhawkk

It's not as bad as people say but you are already familiar with the sides if you've done DNP. A lot of people stack t-3 with clen but i've found venom hyperdrive goes extremely well with t-3.

I agree. I think people blow it's muscle catabolism WAY out of proportion. If you use it right and correctly, you can make great strides towards your fat loss goals, it's always worked wonders for me. I've done 3 or 4 cutting cycles with it, and i'm bigger and stronger now than i've ever been in my life. So if it ever did eat any of my muscle, I got it all right back.

Im trying to put some kind of fat loss program together and its not working out so far ---I did a 7 week TD tren cycle over the summer and gained 20lbs now most of that is lbm but I have some flab to get rid of .I been using some TD pgf2 for topical fat loss doesnt seem to be working---I also been using some form of armour thyroid supposed to be t3 15mcg/t4 25--after about a week no weightloss --I looked it up and it looks like the pill is suppoed to be white but mine is brown --now granted my diet could be better but I thinking this brown pill might be bunk---is there a diierence in results of natural t3 or synthetic?As far as t3 goes 25mcg 1or 2 doses per dat?and would a small dose of anavar with that help to save muscle?

It seems like most of the male bodybuilders that have used T3, have done so without obvious detremental effects to the heart. But I voted no.

I developed heart palpitations around the time I ran the only low dose cycle of T3 I have done (~50mcg < 2 weeks time). My cardiologist doesn't think that was the problem at all and my thyroid recovered fine and all current tests seem to come back fine. I also have other explanations for the palpitations.

But, the reason many people in the medical profession have elected not to use T3 as a weightloss drug is because of its potential negative impact on the heart (electrical conduction and possibly other stuff). I believe Nandi over at cuttingedgemuscle wrote quite a bit on T3 and had a similar concern.

So based on feedback from bbers, it seems it can be run safely when used moderately and properly. But I still have enough personal concerns never to use it again.

Originally Posted by Cardinal

It seems like most of the male bodybuilders that have used T3, have done so without obvious detremental effects to the heart. But I voted no.

I developed heart palpitations around the time I ran the only low dose cycle of T3 I have done (~50mcg < 2 weeks time). My cardiologist doesn't think that was the problem at all and my thyroid recovered fine and all current tests seem to come back fine. I also have other explanations for the palpitations.

But, the reason many people in the medical profession have elected not to use T3 as a weightloss drug is because of its potential negative impact on the heart (electrical conduction and possibly other stuff). I believe Nandi over at cuttingedgemuscle wrote quite a bit on T3 and had a similar concern.

So based on feedback from bbers, it seems it can be run safely when used moderately and properly. But I still have enough personal concerns never to use it again.

Im starting to agree [against t3] did you know that eventhough t3 is half life is like 2.5 days the activity of t3 [fat burnig ]only lasts for 4 hours where as t4 1 dose per day--your body will make t3 from it throughout the day?