Timing of insulin and post-workout nutrition.

JohnGafnea · 04-17-2003, 01:32 PM

My post-workout shake consists of whey protein, dextrose, maltodextrin, creatine, and glutamine (Though after reading everything YJ and others have posted, I have decided to finish my supply then discontinue.). I'm also type 1 diabetic, meaning I don't produce insulin. The insulin that I inject is a fast acting one, peaking in 20-30 minutes. Here's my question: Should I take everything (insulin and shake) at the same time? Or should it be like shake, then insulin 30 minutes later (or vice versa)?

Hopefully my question is clear; thanks guys.

ironviking · 04-17-2003, 04:17 PM

do you take Humalog or Type-R

It sounds like Humalog, if so take it at the same time as your shake.

If you take Type-R, take insulin first then after about 15-20 min. drink the shake

Hope this helps

JohnGafnea · 04-17-2003, 04:36 PM

Yes, it's Humalog.

Thanks.

elijah_123 · 04-17-2003, 08:41 PM

Yep same time as the shake would be what I think is best.

You may want to talk to your doc though just to be on the safe side. I would assume you use it the same as you would for any meal though.

JohnGafnea · 04-17-2003, 11:51 PM

Actually I usually take it a few minutes before most meals, but that is because all I'm taking it for then is to lower the blood sugar that the carbs will raise. When I take it with creatine though I'm trying to make it as effective as possible as well as to lower what the dextrose and maltodextrin will raise.

elijah_123 · 04-17-2003, 11:53 PM

Then probably what your looking for is your normal dose plus some.

I am FAR from a doctor but the dose seems fairly simple.

If you take your normal dose then everything is like normal, so start adding to the dose. Try your dose +3 iu and work up a little each time perhaps.

ironviking · 04-18-2003, 10:42 AM

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Originally posted by JohnGafnea
Actually I usually take it a few minutes before most meals, but that is because all I'm taking it for then is to lower the blood sugar that the carbs will raise. When I take it with creatine though I'm trying to make it as effective as possible as well as to lower what the dextrose and maltodextrin will raise.

Why take destrose and maltodextrin, the reason most bb'ers take those carbs is to get an insulin spike. You have no difference in the way your insulin is released, if you are typeI it is all exogenous. If your feeling on the dangerous side, and you use a sliding scale dosage, you can take sightly more (2iu) than what you would need at about the same time as you take creatine. This should draw you into a slight "low" at the same time the creatine is hitting your bloodstream. THIS IS SOMETHING I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND. If you do that just make sure you have some juice handy.

**jweave23** · 04-18-2003, 02:43 PM

I also cannot see the point of taking dextrose or malto in a PW in general (but that's another story

). You are looking for a spike PW, and will get one with the insulin inject, no doubt about that.

RaulJimenez · 04-18-2003, 04:43 PM

So jweave , what do you use POST WORKOUT , are you an advocate of oats + whey?

**jweave23** · 04-18-2003, 05:04 PM

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Originally posted by RaulJimenez
So jweave , what do you use POST WORKOUT , are you an advocate of oats + whey?

Hell yeah! I've never been a fan of high GI PW drinks at all. It was solidified for me after reading that exchange between Lgoosey and Bobo.

RaulJimenez · 04-18-2003, 05:26 PM

Alright just making sure cause I tried Bobo's post workout oats plus whey and I don't think im coming back to HIGH GI PW, used to put a tire on my gut while bulking up.

Biggs · 04-18-2003, 05:31 PM

... Bobobolic Diet strikes again!

RaulJimenez · 04-18-2003, 05:41 PM

lol Bobolic diet, you should make a book BOBO , you getting popular post workout

JohnGafnea · 04-19-2003, 07:00 AM

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Originally posted by ironviking

Why take destrose and maltodextrin, the reason most bb'ers take those carbs is to get an insulin spike. You have no difference in the way your insulin is released, if you are typeI it is all exogenous. If your feeling on the dangerous side, and you use a sliding scale dosage, you can take sightly more (2iu) than what you would need at about the same time as you take creatine. This should draw you into a slight "low" at the same time the creatine is hitting your bloodstream. THIS IS SOMETHING I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND. If you do that just make sure you have some juice handy.

I had asked this question here: http://www.anabolicminds.com/forum/s...&threadid=3572 and was told that they not only spike insulin but refill muscle and liver glycogen as well. Something that regular carbs can not do as well.

Is this false?

pinoy · 04-19-2003, 11:19 AM

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Originally posted by JohnGafnea

I had asked this question here: http://www.anabolicminds.com/forum/s...;threadid=3572 and was told that they not only spike insulin but refill muscle and liver glycogen as well. Something that regular carbs can not do as well.

Is this false?

yes malto and dextrose refill muscle glycogen, fructose refills liver glycogen

ironviking · 04-19-2003, 12:07 PM

as I said before I dropped all high gi carbs and the only difference I see is that I dont gain as much fat and it is easier to lose fat as well
my recovery doesnt seem to be affected at all either way

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