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| Registered User | Determinants of post-exercise glycogen synthesis during short-term recovery Determinants of post-exercise glycogen synthesis during short-term recovery. Jentjens R, Jeukendrup A. Human Performance Laboratory, School of Sport and Exercise Sciences, University of Birmingham, Edgbaston, Birmingham, UK. The pattern of muscle glycogen synthesis following glycogen-depleting exercise occurs in two phases. Initially, there is a period of rapid synthesis of muscle glycogen that does not require the presence of insulin and lasts about 30-60 minutes. This rapid phase of muscle glycogen synthesis is characterised by an exercise-induced translocation of glucose transporter carrier protein-4 to the cell surface, leading to an increased permeability of the muscle membrane to glucose. Following this rapid phase of glycogen synthesis, muscle glycogen synthesis occurs at a much slower rate and this phase can last for several hours. Both muscle contraction and insulin have been shown to increase the activity of glycogen synthase, the rate-limiting enzyme in glycogen synthesis. Furthermore, it has been shown that muscle glycogen concentration is a potent regulator of glycogen synthase. Low muscle glycogen concentrations following exercise are associated with an increased rate of glucose transport and an increased capacity to convert glucose into glycogen.The highest muscle glycogen synthesis rates have been reported when large amounts of carbohydrate (1.0-1.85 g/kg/h) are consumed immediately post-exercise and at 15-60 minute intervals thereafter, for up to 5 hours post-exercise. When carbohydrate ingestion is delayed by several hours, this may lead to ~50% lower rates of muscle glycogen synthesis. The addition of certain amino acids and/or proteins to a carbohydrate supplement can increase muscle glycogen synthesis rates, most probably because of an enhanced insulin response. However, when carbohydrate intake is high (>/=1.2 g/kg/h) and provided at regular intervals, a further increase in insulin concentrations by additional supplementation of protein and/or amino acids does not further increase the rate of muscle glycogen synthesis. Thus, when carbohydrate intake is insufficient (<1.2 g/kg/h), the addition of certain amino acids and/or proteins may be beneficial for muscle glycogen synthesis. Furthermore, ingestion of insulinotropic protein and/or amino acid mixtures might stimulate post-exercise net muscle protein anabolism. Suggestions have been made that carbohydrate availability is the main limiting factor for glycogen synthesis. A large part of the ingested glucose that enters the bloodstream appears to be extracted by tissues other than the exercise muscle (i.e. liver, other muscle groups or fat tissue) and may therefore limit the amount of glucose available to maximise muscle glycogen synthesis rates. Furthermore, intestinal glucose absorption may also be a rate-limiting factor for muscle glycogen synthesis when large quantities (>1 g/min) of glucose are ingested following exercise. |
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| Kruger Industrial Smoothing Board Administrator | This also correlates to the release of GH in that same amount of time. But the supp cpmanies are never wrong. You NEED that HUGE spike of insulin ![]() I was wondering why I couldn't find this. It was just published. LOL... Benz should like this. We censor. We protect innocent companies for the right amount. We ban for negative comments. We lie, cheat, steal and pillage. WE DO IT ALL! PHILLIES 2008 WORLD CHAMPS!!!!!!!! |
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| Kruger Industrial Smoothing Board Administrator | Here's a follow up on that one. Regulation of GLUT4 protein and glycogen synthase during muscle glycogen synthesis after exercise. Ivy JL, Kuo CH. Department of Kinesiology, The University of Texas at Austin, 78712, USA. The pattern of muscle glycogen synthesis following its depletion by exercise is biphasic. Initially, there is a rapid, insulin independent increase in the muscle glycogen stores. This is then followed by a slower insulin dependent rate of synthesis. Contributing to the rapid phase of glycogen synthesis is an increase in muscle cell membrane permeability to glucose, which serves to increase the intracellular concentration of glucose-6-phosphate (G6P) and activate glycogen synthase. Stimulation of glucose transport by muscle contraction as well as insulin is largely mediated by translocation of the glucose transporter isoform GLUT4 from intracellular sites to the plasma membrane. Thus, the increase in membrane permeability to glucose following exercise most likely reflects an increase in GLUT4 protein associated with the plasma membrane. This insulin-like effect on muscle glucose transport induced by muscle contraction, however, reverses rapidly after exercise is stopped. As this direct effect on transport is lost, it is replaced by a marked increase in the sensitivity of muscle glucose transport and glycogen synthesis to insulin. Thus, the second phase of glycogen synthesis appears to be related to an increased muscle insulin sensitivity. Although the cellular modifications responsible for the increase in insulin sensitivity are unknown, it apparently helps maintain an increased number of GLUT4 transporters associated with the plasma membrane once the contraction-stimulated effect on translocation has reversed. It is also possible that an increase in GLUT4 protein expression plays a role during the insulin dependent phase. Publication Types: Review Review, Tutorial PMID: 9578375 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Dietary strategies to promote glycogen synthesis after exercise. Ivy JL. Exercise Physiology and Metabolism Laboratory, Department of Kinesiology and Health Education, The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, TX, USA. Muscle glycogen is an essential fuel for prolonged intense exercise, and therefore it is important that the glycogen stores be copious for competition and strenuous training regimens. While early research focused on means of increasing the muscle glycogen stores in preparation for competition and its day-to-day replenishment, recent research has focused on the most effective means of promoting its replenishment during the early hours of recovery. It has been observed that muscle glycogen synthesis is twice as rapid if carbohydrate is consumed immediately after exercise as opposed to waiting several hours, and that a rapid rate of synthesis can be maintained if carbohydrate is consumed on a regular basis. For example, supplementing at 30-min intervals at a rate of 1.2 to 1.5 g CHO x kg(-1) body wt x h(-1) appears to maximize synthesis for a period of 4- to 5-h post exercise. If a lighter carbohydrate supplement is desired, however, glycogen synthesis can be enhanced with the addition of protein and certain amino acids. Furthermore, the combination of carbohydrate and protein has the added benefit of stimulating amino acid transport, protein synthesis and muscle tissue repair. Research suggests that aerobic performance following recovery is related to the degree of muscle glycogen replenishment. Publication Types: Review Review, Tutorial PMID: 11897899 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] We censor. We protect innocent companies for the right amount. We ban for negative comments. We lie, cheat, steal and pillage. WE DO IT ALL! PHILLIES 2008 WORLD CHAMPS!!!!!!!! |
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| Kruger Industrial Smoothing Board Administrator | Here's one for the amounts of glucose. All were the same so why would cram so much dextrose malto down your throat? Effect of different post-exercise sugar diets on the rate of muscle glycogen synthesis. Blom PC, Hostmark AT, Vaage O, Kardel KR, Maehlum S. Department of Physiology, National Institute of Occupational Health, Oslo, Norway. The effect of repeated ingestions of fructose, sucrose, and various amounts of glucose on muscle glycogen synthesis during the first 6 h after exhaustive bicycle exercise was studied. Muscle biopsies for glycogen determination were taken before and after exercise, and every second hour during recovery. Blood samples for plasma glucose and insulin determination were taken before and after exercise, and every hour during recovery. When 0.35 (low glucose: N = 5), 0.70 (medium glucose: N = 5), or 1.40 (high glucose: N = 5) g.kg-1 body weight of glucose were given orally at 0, 2, and 4 h after exercise, the rates of glycogen synthesis were (mean +/- SE) 2.1 +/- 0.5, 5.8 +/- 1.0, and 5.7 +/- 0.9 mmol.kg-1.h-1, respectively. When 0.70 g.kg-1 body weight of sucrose (medium sucrose: N = 5), or fructose (medium fructose: N = 7) was ingested accordingly, the rates were 6.2 +/- 0.5 and 3.2 +/- 0.7 mmol.kg-1.h-1. Average plasma glucose level during recovery were similar in low glucose, medium glucose, and high glucose groups (5.76 +/- 0.24, 6.31 +/- 0.64, and 6.52 +/- 0.24 mM), while average plasma insulin levels were higher with higher glucose intake (16 +/- 1, 21 +/- 3, and 38 +/- 4 microU.ml-1).(ABSTRACT TRUNCATED AT 250 WORDS) We censor. We protect innocent companies for the right amount. We ban for negative comments. We lie, cheat, steal and pillage. WE DO IT ALL! PHILLIES 2008 WORLD CHAMPS!!!!!!!! |
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| Kruger Industrial Smoothing Board Administrator | I got bored so I'd figure I'd add a couple more. ![]() Comparison of carbohydrate and milk-based beverages on muscle damage and glycogen following exercise. Wojcik JR, Walber-Rankin J, Smith LL, Gwazdauskas FC. Department of Human Nutrition, Foods, and Exercise at Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University, Blacksburg 24061, USA. This study examined effects of carbohydrate (CHO), milk-based carbohydrate-protein (CHO-PRO), or placebo (P) beverages on glycogen resynthesis, muscle damage, inflammation, and muscle function following eccentric resistance exercise. Untrained males performed a cycling exercise to reduce muscle glycogen 12 hours prior to performance of 100 eccentric quadriceps contractions at 120% of 1-RM (day 1) and drank CHO (n = 8), CHO-PRO (n = 9; 5 kcal/kg), or P (n = 9) immediately and 2 hours post-exercise. At 3 hours post-eccentric exercise, serum insulin was four times higher for CHO-PRO and CHO than P (p < .05). Serum creatine kinase (CK) increased for all groups in the 6 hours post-eccentric exercise (p < .01), with the increase tending to be lowest for CHO-PRO (p < .08) during this period. Glycogen was low post-exercise (33+/-3.7 mmol/kg ww), increased 225% at 24 hours, and tripled by 72 hours, with no group differences. The eccentric exercise increased muscle protein breakdown as indicated by urinary 3-methylhistidine and increased IL-6 with no effect of beverage. Quadriceps isokinetic peak torque was depressed similarly for all groups by 24% 24 hours post-exercise and remained 21% lower at 72 hours (p < .01). In summary, there were no influences of any post-exercise beverage on muscle glycogen replacement, inflammation, or muscle function. Publication Types: Clinical Trial Randomized Controlled Trial PMID: 11915776 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] We censor. We protect innocent companies for the right amount. We ban for negative comments. We lie, cheat, steal and pillage. WE DO IT ALL! PHILLIES 2008 WORLD CHAMPS!!!!!!!! |
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| Kruger Industrial Smoothing Board Administrator | You high carb dieters are only hurting yourselves!!! ![]() Carbohydrate nutrition before, during, and after exercise. Costill DL. The role of dietary carbohydrates (CHO) in the resynthesis of muscle and liver glycogen after prolonged, exhaustive exercise has been clearly demonstrated. The mechanisms responsible for optimal glycogen storage are linked to the activation of glycogen synthetase by depletion of glycogen and the subsequent intake of CHO. Although diets rich in CHO may increase the muscle glycogen stores and enhance endurance exercise performance when consumed in the days before the activity, they also increase the rate of CHO oxidation and the use of muscle glycogen. When consumed in the last hour before exercise, the insulin stimulated-uptake of glucose from blood often results in hypoglycemia, greater dependence on muscle glycogen, and an earlier onset of exhaustion than when no CHO is fed. Ingesting CHO during exercise appears to be of minimal value to performance except in events lasting 2 h or longer. The form of CHO (i.e., glucose, fructose, sucrose) ingested may produce different blood glucose and insulin responses, but the rate of muscle glycogen resynthesis is about the same regardless of the structure. PMID: 3967778 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] WHOAH! Where's Draven? ![]() We censor. We protect innocent companies for the right amount. We ban for negative comments. We lie, cheat, steal and pillage. WE DO IT ALL! PHILLIES 2008 WORLD CHAMPS!!!!!!!! |
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| Kruger Industrial Smoothing Board Administrator | Here's one for us old folks? Whey could be better? Hmmm.... Type and timing of protein feeding to optimize anabolism. Mosoni L, Mirand PP. PURPOSE OF REVIEWThe delivery rate of amino acids to an organism significantly affects protein anabolism. The rate can be controlled by the type and the timing of feeding. Our aim was to bring new insights to the way they may act.RECENT FINDINGSDuring young and adult ages, when food supply is liberal, subjects can adapt to various modes of protein feeding. However, during food restriction, protein anabolism is favored when the delivery of amino acids is evenly distributed over the day, either with frequent meals, or through the use of slowly absorbed proteins like casein. In contrast, during aging, quickly absorbed protein sources become more efficient. During recovery after exercise, the timing of protein feeding after the end of exercise may or may not influence its anabolic effect, depending on the subject's age and the type of exercise.SUMMARYThe synchronization of variations in anabolic capability with amino acid supply partly explains the effects of the type and timing of protein feeding. This effect is modulated by the amount of amino acids required to increase whole-body proteins and by the signaling properties of some amino acids to stimulate protein synthesis. Indeed, the anabolic effect of amino acids is determined by their interaction with other anabolic factors (other nutrients or physiological factors, whose efficiency is mainly related to their effect on protein degradation). It is clear that benefits can be obtained from adapted protein feeding patterns. PMID: 12690263 [PubMed - in process] We censor. We protect innocent companies for the right amount. We ban for negative comments. We lie, cheat, steal and pillage. WE DO IT ALL! PHILLIES 2008 WORLD CHAMPS!!!!!!!! |
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| Registered User | Wow BOBO, slow down man. |
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| Pork Chop | lmao, once he starts bro, he doesn't stop! This is Bobo's bread and butter right here. Great thread though, yet another reason to not utter the word malto..... whoops I almost said it ![]() |
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| Registered User | Dietary strategies to promote glycogen synthesis after exercise. Ivy JL. Exercise Physiology and Metabolism Laboratory, Department of Kinesiology and Health Education, The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, TX, USA. It has been observed that muscle glycogen synthesis is twice as rapid if carbohydrate is consumed immediately after exercise as opposed to waiting several hours, and that a rapid rate of synthesis can be maintained if carbohydrate is consumed on a regular basis. For example, supplementing at 30-min intervals at a rate of 1.2 to 1.5 g CHO x kg(-1) body wt x h(-1) appears to maximize synthesis for a period of 4- to 5-h post exercise. If a lighter carbohydrate supplement is desired, however, glycogen synthesis can be enhanced with the addition of protein and certain amino acids. Furthermore, the combination of carbohydrate and protein has the added benefit of stimulating amino acid transport, protein synthesis and muscle tissue repair. Research suggests that aerobic performance following recovery is related to the degree of muscle glycogen replenishment. [/b][/quote] Good info Bobo & Bachovas. I`m trying to figure out approximately how many carbs/protein to aim for using the low-GI method post/w. In regards to a `lighter carbohydrate supplement` being consumed with protein & bcaa`s: What amounts do you feel would be best to enhance glycogen synthesis in the meals/shakes following a workout, bearing in mind that it is better to supplement at 30 minute intervals? |
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| Kruger Industrial Smoothing Board Administrator | I know all these studies seem to make it more complicated but through trial and error I've found that around 30-50g pre workout of Oatmeal and 30-50g post workout has worked best for me. This is also dependent on weight, type of exercise, etc...So their really isn't just one answer. As for protein I usually do about 20-30g pre and at least 30 post. Once again its all dependent on your personal criteria... We censor. We protect innocent companies for the right amount. We ban for negative comments. We lie, cheat, steal and pillage. WE DO IT ALL! PHILLIES 2008 WORLD CHAMPS!!!!!!!! |
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| Registered User | Thanks Bobo. Some of the studies go over my head. |
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| Registered User | phew, damn. this one really came on fast, nice stuff Bobo... so, from what I can gather here, and what you mean to say... is that gayners doan mak u b swole?! ![]() ![]() |
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