Coming 3/1: DNP log
- 02-27-2006, 10:23 PM
Unitas27's DNP log
So, after reading Sports DNP log, I have decided to start and log my DNP experience. Initally, I will have 12 caps @200mg (crytalline DNP) and will continue with powdered DNP thereafter. First off, before anyone bashed me, I have read and researched DNP for a LOONG time. I realize the dangers involved. I have dieted hardcore (CKD, no carb, low fat, low calories) and done cardio to death, and tried ever fat burner except DNP, and I still consider myself to0 chubby to be beach worthy. The thing is, I have a lot of muscle to show, Ive been lifting hard for 4 years after Air Force in 2002. Even in boot camp, I was somewhat chubby. My goal here is to target my chest fat love handles and stomach (wishful thinking maybe). So this is the pre-DNP cycle plan. Critique is welcome, but no "your going to die" comments.
-DNP, 400mg Monday Wednesday Friday Sunday (1 month (18 actual DNP days)
-Jintropin rHGH, 4ui Subq (stomach and love handles) 5 on 2 off 8 weeks
-Phera Plex 20mg/day (muscle preservation)
-ALRI impact ultra 1.5ml 2x week (formastane acetate 150mg, 7-OH acetate 75mg per injection)
-Glucophase XR (K-RALA) 3 caps/day with meals
-San BLAZE 2 caps/day
-Green Tea (primaforce lean green), 1000mg/day
-Grape Seed extract 500mg/day
-Multivitamin with ester c 2x day
-Flax seed oil 2grams/day
-Glycerol Mono Stearate 2 grams/day with water and potasssium citrate
- LOTS of water (3.5-4 gallons/day roughly)
-Ergopharm Liposolv (topical), 8-10 sprays 2 times a day rotated between abs and chest area.
Diet- moderate carbs(80-100/day) (no refined sugars) high protien(200grams/day or more)moderate fat (60-70grams/day (mostly polyun and monosaturated healthy fats).
I will lift at the gym as normal (4 days/week), but with less heavy wieghts, and not lift for 2 hours like I usually do.
Last edited by unitas27; 03-02-2006 at 09:58 PM. Reason: fixed title
- 02-28-2006, 08:43 AM
Looks like you have the bases covered, but I have one comment.
Do you really want to use the BLAZE with dnp? I'd probably avoid stacking dnp with an product that will increase my body heat any higher. I don't think you want to cook yourself.
- 02-28-2006, 09:25 AM
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. SAN Blaze dropped!
02-28-2006, 10:48 AM
I agree with dropping Blaze but only because you already have 7-OH in impact ultra, you don't need an esterfied 7-OXO compound. Is the GXR there as an antioxidant or to shuttle glucose to the muscles? If it is because it is an antioxidant, it seems redundant to have the grape seed extract in there as well. Personally, i would drop the GXR. And if it is to shuttle glucose into the muscles it's unnecessary because DNP does that all on its own. To sum it up, i think GXR can be dropped, or should only be used on days you don't take DNP. Those are merely my opinions only to try and save you a couple bucks.
GOOD LUCK and keep us posted.
02-28-2006, 09:49 PM
Im using the Glucophase as an insulin mimmicker, because HGH lowers insulin.
03-02-2006, 01:29 PM
Day 1: Got my DNP today. Took 200mg @10am and 200mg after workout @2:30pm.
Green tea-600mg 10:30am.
Jintropin- 2ui's @10am, 1.5 iu @2:30pm subq.
Impact ultra- 1.4 ml IM injection @10am.
Glycergrow, 2 scoop pre-workout w/ 1 scoop body octane.
Since this will prob be my last hardcore workout because I just started the DNP, I did heavy back and tri's this morning. I had a good workout, pumps were insane.
Breakfast- 3 eggs, 2 pieces whole wheat toast (no butter)
Post-workout- 2 scoops GF-Pro w/ banana @2pm.
I have to be at work @5pm, I will prob eat 4 egg whites before I leave for work and have a yogurt.
I don't expect to the fat burning to begin since this is the first day. So Im am going to hold off on the Liposolv until tomorrow. Updates later!
03-02-2006, 01:38 PM
- 5'10" 220 lbs.
- Join Date
- Jan 2006
- Rep Power
Is that enough carbs to breakdown all of the fat that DNP will put in the bloodstream. Without oxaloacetate, fat cannot be completely metabolized.
03-02-2006, 01:48 PM
Its only 2:30pm, Im not done eating yet! Of course I will increase carbs within reason, but no candy or refined sugars of course.Originally Posted by Rodja
03-02-2006, 01:51 PM
- 5'10" 220 lbs.
- Join Date
- Jan 2006
- Rep Power
I was talking about the 80-100g total you had in your first post. I have read that carbs are essential while on DNP.Originally Posted by unitas27
03-02-2006, 02:00 PM
I will not be going over 200g of carbs a day, prob less actually. I know many people that have done a CKD diet or UD 2.0 diet on DNP @600mg, and they burned fat quick and had no ill effects as a result of reducing carbs. I am not going to stuff my face with carbs.
03-02-2006, 02:01 PM
- 5'10" 220 lbs.
- Join Date
- Jan 2006
- Rep Power
I was just curious...I trust your judgement.
03-02-2006, 09:38 PM
Update- At work, the building temp. was really high (like 85) so I was roasting. I was prob warmer than most, but today was my first dose of DNP so Im not sure I can atribute it to the warm feeling.
Unfortunately, at work I am const. busy, and hardly have time to eat. Someone was going to Dunkin Donuts, and I was starving so I had a breakfast sandwich, it was either that or dont eat at all. I def was thirsty, so I made quite a few rounds at the drinking fountain.
BTW, anyone who has experienced DNP, what type of macronutrients did you take in (ie carbs, prot, fats per day etc..)?
03-05-2006, 09:56 PM
Day 4- Sorry for the lack up updates. Ive been busy w school and work.
Starting weight- 197
Current- 195.5 (day 4) Keep in mind, I am on Pheraplex, so wieght loss may be more gradual, maybe not since DNP is not very catabolic, if at all.
4th day @ 400mg. Boy heat is insane, espeically at work where the building is already warm. I have to drink water every 20 minutes, otherwise I feel like crap and cottonmouth occurs. Glycerol doesnt seem to help much. I have to also keep carbs up, otherwise I feel like crap.
Body heat is also high during sleep, I cannot use the bed covers (scary thing is my bedroom is 67 degrees!).
I ordered some pyruvate @2 grams/day, which will be here tommorow. I have a feeling this will help a lot with energy and general fat burning.
I cannot believe how much my lower ab (rubber tire) fat is subsiding already. This is my second day of Liposolv, and 5th day of Jin HGH injections @3 IU's Subq into abdominal fat.
I am going to weigh myself at the gym tomorrow, I don't think my home scale is very accurate.
03-05-2006, 10:05 PM
On a side note, when I eat food, no matter what it is, I do not get tired, but more energized. Even when I eat a large meal, it goes through me like a blast furnace (whatever that means, but it sounds neat). I am hungry shortly after a meal.
I was low carbing before I started my DNP cycle, I could not imagine trying a low carb diet on this, not only do I feel it may be counter productive, but dangerous, DNP loves them carbs!!
03-18-2006, 07:38 AM
I hope your still busy with school and work...
03-18-2006, 02:29 PM
his profile says his last activity was today at around 8. So at least we know he is still alive.
03-18-2006, 02:46 PM
Better post then and let us know for sure.
03-18-2006, 03:03 PM
1) High protein... 200 grams/day? I eat tha tin my first 3 meals. If that's high protein I'd hate to see what LOW protein is.
2) You haven't stated what your goals are for this.
03-18-2006, 03:12 PM
Originally Posted by houseman
This is or was a DNP log...(bf)
I think the goal was too lose weight.
Umm...high protein.. I think he was referring to the macro break down.
Last edited by ryano; 03-18-2006 at 03:36 PM.
03-18-2006, 07:43 PM
Ok, so after having no internet (till yesterday) Im back and ready to rock.
Fast forward to today, 3/18. Today is my 15th day on DNP @400mg.
My supp regime has changed slightly. So yeah, ready this? I dropped the phera plex last week and started Parabolan (tren hex) 300mg/week with 250mg of Test cyp a week, I also added 50mcg of T3 each morning (to combat the DNP and HGH thyroid effects). I am still using the ALRI Impact Ultra and adding 3g of Pyruvate.
Starting wieght: 198
As of 3/17, I dropped 5 lbs of fat, and 2% bodyfat.
I know I am retaining water, I can feel it in my stomach and by the lack of definition in the arms.
-Going to the gym is exhausting beyond anything I have ever experienced. People ask me why I am sweating so much.
Sweating and heat is unreal, and I mean unreal. It's like being in a humid room @90 degrees with 5 layers of clothes on. It's 25 degrees in NY, and I had to turn of the heat just to sleep at night. No bed covers, nothing. It's the only way I can sleep.
Water consumption remains high @2.5 gallons/day.
Don't be surprised by only 5 lbs bodyfat loss in 2 weeks. With the test and tren plus DNP its more likely Ive lost 5 and gained 4 pounds of water, I also suspect the anabolics and HGH are keeping muscle loss at 0.
I am going to run the DNP till 3-22 @400mg. I will update my log more now that I have my internet back..
PS- DNP works, it works so well, I want to do another cycle soon, however, I will not be using my international connection.
PS- My diet sucks!!!! (lots of complex carbs, but not such a bad thing when on DNP)
03-18-2006, 07:48 PM
Ryano is correct, also, 200g of protien is not low, it's about avg for my purposes, usually its closer to 300, but I am upping the carbs cause DNP needs carbs.Originally Posted by ryano
Weight loss..yes. But I like to think of this at a multi-goal approach fat loss, muscle sparing (maybe growing but doubtful in DNP). I will be on the tren and test well after the DNP. The anabolic rebound when I come off the DNP should be insane.
03-19-2006, 10:17 AM
I'd like to hear from the horses mouth what his expected goals are.Originally Posted by ryano
Taking what he is taking, he SHOULD be ablw to get into low 7-8% digits in my opinion.
Frankly, if you need ALL if what he is taking + the DNP... you don't have a clue what you are doing nutritionally.
Everyone is in such a rush it seems.
03-19-2006, 04:15 PM
Ill tell you what houseman, I'm not sure if you are trying to come across as negative or bashing my regime. If your going to critique negatively, do it elsewhere. I am well versed in bodybuilding, macronutrients/diet, and what have you.
I am taking a lot of "stuff", but far less than most of the pro's take in daily. If I am going to do DNP, I am going all the way, from multiple angles.
If you think 200grams of protien is insufficient, you are entitled to your own opinion, I disagree. I am not bulking, and I am not working out at my normal volume, so 300+ grams of protien a day seems like a waste.
03-20-2006, 07:37 AM
I'm just saying that you had better reach the 7-9% range given all that you are taking and if you don't then you're failure was a result of your nutrition.
Sounds like you know what you are doing.PS- My diet sucks!!!! (lots of complex carbs, but not such a bad thing when on DNP)
It's your reasoning that what you are doing is a LOT LESS than what pros are doing that I find funny. You're no where near a pro. Given your statement here I'm actually wondering what your competition history is since you seem to want to compare yourself to that of a PRO.
Just becareful bud. I really don't think people know the true dangers of DNP. Here's a quote from a conversation with a friend of mine in BC who is a Doctor (one who is well versed in AAS himself):
Good luck and be safe.IMHO, DNP is a poison and not a drug.
Unless you KNOW the purity of the compound you are taking you can easily overdose yourself. To top it off, there's a large interindividual response to the stuff (some will die with a dose that others tolerate).
I've personally looked after 2 patients who took DNP that was overdosed. One is profoundly brain damaged and institutionalized forever, the other is 6 feet underground. The second is better off than the first, IMO.
If you took 10 gm of test/week, you'd take a long time to get sick and even then, I'll bet you wouldn't die for years. I wouldn't even be surprised if some individuals probably didn't even die prematurely.... unlike DNP.
Am I prejudiced against DNP? Probably. I've seen horrible drug overdoses in my career--- the majority do well, believe it or not. But watching these 2 young, previously healthy people seize continuously and melt away despite our efforts (even cooling on cardiopulmonary bypass-- Heroic by all measures!) then seeing the horror story final outcome will permanently stamp "DO NOT DO" in my brain regarding DNP.
03-20-2006, 09:28 AM
While I believe that you can offer some quality and input to this log...You need to learn a little more about the etiquette of criticism. Without it your much needed input of experience and knowledge our useless.Originally Posted by houseman
When you come into a log as condascending and negative as you did you put people on guard and the intended intention of concern goes out the window as no one is listening.
Thanks for the docs opinion ... I think some of these logs need more information on the reality of the dangers of DNP.
03-20-2006, 09:45 AM
I would also like to add that if any fat loss plan fails it is almost undoubtedly because of diet. It is possible for just about anyone to achieve very low bodyfat, without the use of DNP or T3. Heck, some don't even use clen.
I don't know my bodyfat right now, but I'm pretty dang low. I'm a little less than 4 weeks from competition, and so far the only fat burning drug I've used is clenbuterol. I attribute my fat loss to my diet and workout regimen.
If you really really want to drop the fat badly, take good hard long look at your diet. Don't make excuses either. If you up your calories, that is only going to hurt your fat loss. It's easy to trick yourself with excuses. I can't tell you how many times I've caught myself attempting to eat something I shouldn't or eat a little too much and making some bullcrap excuse. "It's good food; I can recomp if I up the cals." or "My workouts are going to suffer if I don't have that extra 1/4 cup of oats." or "I can just spend extra time on the bike." Bull. Excuses. I catch myself though, and I recognize them for what they are.
I would suggest keeping meticulous track of each and every single little thing you put in your mouth. Know each calorie you are stuffing in there days ahead of time. That's the only way to success IMO, no matter what compound(s) you use.
Remember, no excuses. Stick to the plan without deviation unless emergency dictates.
03-20-2006, 09:45 AM
03-20-2006, 10:06 AM
After reading that I would be concerned too...
Unitas I hope you gave this cycle some more thought since then.
03-20-2006, 10:20 AM
Originally Posted by houseman
I was kinda being a smart ass as well
03-20-2006, 06:29 PM
Re: Unitas27's DNP log
****!!! Thats alot of ****...this guy has thrown down some green on this cutting plan. I hope everything turns out the way you wanted.Originally Posted by unitas27
03-20-2006, 09:21 PM
Re: Unitas27's DNP log
Yeah, Definately wasn't cheap!!! But worth it IMO.Originally Posted by latinsteel
03-20-2006, 09:28 PM
Some pics, first is 2 weeks before cycle, the 2nd is from yesterday 3/19.
03-22-2006, 07:28 AM
damn pics wont open for me//Says page cannot be displayed.
You better be looking pretty damn good after spending all that loot.
03-22-2006, 11:50 AM
HMMM....How do I put the pics in my post?
03-22-2006, 11:53 AM
no worries its just the computer I am on today at work I will take a look later...
03-22-2006, 11:55 AM
Post'em one at a time. Should do the trick.Originally Posted by unitas27
03-29-2006, 08:52 AM
03-29-2006, 12:28 PM
The pics open fine for me. The difference in your physique is obvious to say the least. Major improvement in such a short amount of time, but that's to be expected on that hardcore fat-loss stack you were running.
03-29-2006, 01:49 PM
Im still alive, Im moving so things have been hectic lately. This wasn't the log I had intended, but for what it's worth:
-I came off the DNP on 3/24. I honestly haven't wieghed myself in the past week or so until yesterday, I wieghed in @ 191 with no clothes on. So I lost roughly 10 pounds (I was around 199-202 before I started). I looking leaner each day I am off the DNP, so I expected some water wieght to drop and continue for the next week.
- Thoughts/Summary on DNP after cycle. Pyruvate is your friend. Without it I noticed the lethargy A LOT. Some nights I sweated so bad I could barely sleep, it was at times difficult to function normally. Without a good amount of carbs in my daily intake, I suffered even more. I had some (rare) days were I ate **** like pizza and that kind of thing, but never ate candy or anything too sweet. Most of my carbs came from bananas, light yogurt, light orange juice, and whole grain organic bread, and occasionally oatmeal. Fats came from Flax Oil, Sesamin, and eggs, sometimes I ate cheese but not too much. Protien was around 200-250grams/day from food sources and whey protien after workouts.
- I was impressed with the fat loss, people at work notice it, so do the people at the gym. I am more vascular than I have ever been and my body tightened out nicely. I do recommend T3 be added to a DNP cycle, it also helped with the lethargy (DNP stops conversion of T4 to T3).
- I have 3 more weeks on my Tren/Test/T3 cycle. I will continue to use the sesathin on a daily basis along with the Impact ultra and HGH.
- I cannot recommend DNP to anyone, it can be hard on the body to the point were it's not worth it (the heat is very very harsh, but damn does burn fat like a champ!
- As I expect more water loss over the next few days, I will post another updated pic tomorrow on Saturday.
03-29-2006, 11:03 PM
Man imagine if you ran it with a very strict diet. How is your energy in the gym?
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