Help me get ripped! Please critique this cutting diet

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  1. I wouldn't neccesarly cut carbs with this type of split but I would make sure that half were coming from fibrous vegtables. I agree bread isn't food as far as I'm concerned and I was more concerned about the trail mix but truth have it be known I don't like fruit on cutting diets so the apple gave my pause but that's me and some people like to keep a bit of fruit and one apple is not going to kill him. Oh and carrots are not a good vegtable choice either (brocolli would be better).
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug


  2. Awesome guys thanks for taking the time!  I actually had incorporate quite a few of those changes I just hadn't posted them yet.  Below are all of the changes you guys suggested.  I still have to figure out the totals for the day, but I know it will look a lot better.  I agree I need to get more meat in there, but I think this is a good start.  I'll see if I can start to manage to eat some meat in meal 1.  I'm also considering adding CLA @ 9gs/day to the mix.

    Meal 1 7:30 Cals Fat, Carb, Pro
    1 scoops Pro Complex-260, 2, 4, 55
    cp. Oatmeal-150, 3, 27, 5
    5gs. creatine
    1 Gen Adrenalin NYC
    1multi vit.
    500mgs Vitamin C


    Meal 2 10:00 AM
    6oz. chicken breast
    2 cps. broccoli raw-40, 0, 7, 4

    Meal 3 12:00 PM
    1 can tuna-200, 8, 0, 30
    1 tbsp. flax oil
    1 Gen Adrenalin NYC

    Meal 4 3:00 PM (Pre workout)
    1/2 cp. oatmeal-150, 4, 28, 6
    1 Scoop whey-110, 2, 1, 22
    1 Gen Adrenalin NYC

    Meal 5 5:00 PM (Post workout)
    2 Scoops whey-220, 4, 2, 44
    cp. oatmeal-150, 3, 27, 5
    5gs. creatine

    Meal 6 6:30 PM
    6oz.chicken breast, lb. haddock, or as a treat lb. ground beef-250, 3, 0, 52
    2cps. spinach, green beans, or green peas-36, 0, 6, 6

    Meal 7 9:00 PM
    2 scoops Pro Complex-260, 2, 4, 55
    1tbsp. Flax oil-130, 14, 0, 0
     

     

    My maintenance level is 2950,
    Im 26, 62 205lbs. I put the nutrition values of the ones I eat 6 out of 7 days a week

     

     
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  3. Yah I agree replace some of those powders with meat and eggs and add some more greens (almost every meal). Here's why for the veggies, fibrous vegtables will allow you to add ultra low glycemic carbs to your diet keeping you out of a catabolic state (allowing you to keep a higher calorie intake than normally on a diet), at the same time these fibrous veg. help cause you to burn more because they take quite a bit of energy to digest. A neat little trick we use while cutting. I know some people who do not really decrease carbs much rather they replace the starchy carbs with fibrous ones and voila, a optimum fat loss situation. The higher percentage of fibrous carb intake the better.
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  4. Here's a great link for pre-contest or just cutting for 12 weeks.

    http://eastcoastmuscle.com/precontestdiet.htm

     

    All the diet info you need to get ripped.

  5. Originally posted by Blacksmith
    Here's a great link for pre-contest or just cutting for 12 weeks.

    http://eastcoastmuscle.com/precontestdiet.htm

     

    All the diet info you need to get ripped.
    Very nice to see you here again bro. Your input is quite welcome.
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  6. Npursuit - I would like to know how your diet is treating you ? I liked your layout and it fits perfectly with what I was thinking about. We have the same maintance level pretty much, 6'0 225 right now. Just wondering if your getting the results you want and seeing as it's been a month since your post.

  7. I got really good results as far as fat loss and not loosing any muscle from the anabolic diet. It a CKD. Here is a web site if your interested

    http://www.metabolicdiet.com/

  8. Originally posted by Pfunk47
    Npursuit - I would like to know how your diet is treating you ? I liked your layout and it fits perfectly with what I was thinking about. We have the same maintance level pretty much, 6'0 225 right now. Just wondering if your getting the results you want and seeing as it's been a month since your post.
     

    MY diet is treating me fairly well, however plans changed, and I'm on a different diet.  It's not all that different from the one posted here.  I haven't lost much fat, but I am also in the middle of a PH cycle.  My new diet consists of this.

     

    Meals 1-3

    4oz. chicken breast

    1 bowl of greens

    1 tbsp flax oil

    6 almonds

    Meal 4

    2 scoops blended protein

    1/2 cp. oats (actually a full cup since they are cooked)

    Meal 5

    2 scoops whey

    1/2 cp. oats (actually a full cup since they are cooked)

    Meal 6-7

    4 oz. chicken breast

    1 bowl of greens

    6 almonds

    1 tbsp natty peanut butter

    Meal 8

    2 scoops blended protein

    1 tbsp natty peanut butter

    In case you want to know.  I'm supplementing with

    10gs glutamine pre & post workout

    Multivitamin

    Vitamin C

    Liquid Clenbutrix (switching to meltdown at the end of the week)

    Beverly's Lean out (starting today)

    Optimum whey (switching to Beverly's whey today)

    Optimum Pro Complex

    VPX Micallean (for nightime protein switching to that at the end of the week)

    My PH cycle is

    15 days 6ccs Paradeca then switching to Syngex for 15 days @ 8ccs

    30 days 9ccs EQ

    My scale seems a little strange lately, but I'm up between 8-10 pounds after 2 weeks.  With a little fat loss, and my strength is going through the roof.

    started cycle 210lbs. now 220lbs.

       

     

  9. Originally posted by NPursuit


     

    MY diet is treating me fairly well, however plans changed, and I'm on a different diet.  It's not all that different from the one posted here.  I haven't lost much fat, but I am also in the middle of a PH cycle.  My new diet consists of this.

     

    Meals 1-3

    4oz. chicken breast

    1 bowl of greens

    1 tbsp flax oil

    6 almonds

    Meal 4

    2 scoops blended protein

    1/2 cp. oats (actually a full cup since they are cooked)

    Meal 5

    2 scoops whey

    1/2 cp. oats (actually a full cup since they are cooked)

    Meal 6-7

    4 oz. chicken breast

    1 bowl of greens

    6 almonds

    1 tbsp natty peanut butter

    Meal 8

    2 scoops blended protein

    1 tbsp natty peanut butter

    In case you want to know.  I'm supplementing with

    10gs glutamine pre & post workout

    Multivitamin

    Vitamin C

    Liquid Clenbutrix (switching to meltdown at the end of the week)

    Beverly's Lean out (starting today)

    Optimum whey (switching to Beverly's whey today)

    Optimum Pro Complex

    VPX Micallean (for nightime protein switching to that at the end of the week)

    My PH cycle is

    15 days 6ccs Paradeca then switching to Syngex for 15 days @ 8ccs

    30 days 9ccs EQ

    My scale seems a little strange lately, but I'm up between 8-10 pounds after 2 weeks.  With a little fat loss, and my strength is going through the roof.

    started cycle 210lbs. now 220lbs.

      &nb sp;

     
    Why, if you're cutting, are you not frontloading the carbs? I would eat the oats right out of the gate, then go with the flax meals.

  10. Scotty because I don't workout till 4PM. My last carb intake is no later then 6.

  11. Originally posted by NPursuit
    Scotty because I don't workout till 4PM. My last carb intake is no later then 6.
    All the more reason to frontload carbs.

  12. So you are saying I shouldn't be taking in any carbs after my workout?  That's a new one on me.

  13. Originally posted by NPursuit
    So you are saying I shouldn't be taking in any carbs after my workout?  That's a new one on me.
    Never said that, my friend. I don't understand why you eat three pro/fat meals, then 2 protein/carb meals, then back to pro/fat. Eat your carbs early in the day, all the meals look good(except oats and flax), just the timing needs tweaking. And where have you ever seen me recommend no carbs post w/o?

  14. I would also take the carbs in earlier. I do not take carbs post workout and recover fine. Here is why I do take carbs post workout.

    If you want to lose fat and build muscle at the same time you'd be much advised to utilize a process known as neoglucogenesis( the utilization of fats and/or proteins instead of carbs or glucose to replenish glycogen stores.) Your body has the ability to convert fat into glycogen through this process. And if you are trying to burn fat, then this should be your goal, and the way to achieve it is by not consuming carbs(no more than 25 grams anyway) after your workout. On a flip side, if you ingest a big load of carbs(especially simple sugars) after your workout, any fat burning you stimulated from the workout will be stopped dead in its tracks

  15. Originally posted by scotty2


    Never said that, my friend. I don't understand why you eat three pro/fat meals, then 2 protein/carb meals, then back to pro/fat. Eat your carbs early in the day, all the meals look good(except oats and flax), just the timing needs tweaking. And where have you ever seen me recommend no carbs post w/o?
     

    Well I'm just going by the diet I was put on from a professional bodybuilder.  I'm not following why you are saying all meals look good except oats & flax?  I don't consume them in the same meal.  One major problem I have is if I was to start consuming my carbs in the morning I don't know what I would switch to.  Sweet potatoes?  I can't stand oatmeal outside of a shake unless it's instant with sugar and cinnamon =)

     

    I apologize if I made it sound like I was copping an attitude.

  16. Originally posted by bigswole30
    I would also take the carbs in earlier. I do not take carbs post workout and recover fine. Here is why I do take carbs post workout.
     

    So you guys think I should scrap the pre-workout carbs, add 2 carb meals in the morning, and only take in oats post workout?  How does that sound?

     

    Damn just when I think I have it all figured out.

  17. IMO, I think you should give my diet a try. Recovery will not be a problem. I would definitely have the carbs in the morning and no pre or post workout carbs if you are wanting to maximize fat-loss.

  18. Npursuit - Even though I am shadowing your original diet with tweaking, that makes the most sense to me (you last post) - except Bigswole has me thinking again about fat burning optimization now

    -always when you think you have it almost right someone has some new info that makes you think - damn ( but love all the knowledge)

    Thanks Bros - you guys know your $hit.

  19. Originally posted by bigswole30
    IMO, I think you should give my diet a try. Recovery will not be a problem. I would definitely have the carbs in the morning and no pre or post workout carbs if you are wanting to maximize fat-loss.
     

    Aren't you just a wittle guy though?  LOL just kidding man.  What does your diet work out to for cals/carbs/pro/fat a day?

  20. I'll try to straighten you out here. This is all IMO. I remember you train at 4pm, so, I'll keep that in mind. After looking at your meal planning, it may not be so bad. Protein/fat , then pro/carb pre w/o, post w/o shake, then another pro/carb meal, back to pro/fat. Ok, yeah, that looks like about what you have. One change, food meal after post w/o shake, eat pro/carb(yams, chicken) Sorry for the confusion. I didn't see the workout in there, gotta specify when you train, all it says is the meals.

  21. Originally posted by bigswole30
    no pre or post workout carbs if you are wanting to maximize fat-loss.

    How do you figure? Yes, you will burn fat, but, this is ideal for muscle wasting.

  22. I have to go with Scotty on this one, I would take the post workout catbs with your shake at least.
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  23. Originally posted by scotty2



    How do you figure? Yes, you will burn fat, but, this is ideal for muscle wasting.
    Muscle wasting will not be a problem. Must be the VPX.

  24. LOL nice avatar Scotty. I just started using that stuff last week. I hope it works as good as it tastes.

    So it seems my diet seems pretty tight. I will probably wait till after my PH cycle to tighten it up more. So far I'm extremely happy with my results. I'm hoping I will see more fat loss in the next couple of weeks now that I am off the 4AD.

  25. Originally posted by NPursuit
    LOL nice avatar Scotty. I just started using that stuff last week. I hope it works as good as it tastes.

    So it seems my diet seems pretty tight. I will probably wait till after my PH cycle to tighten it up more. So far I'm extremely happy with my results. I'm hoping I will see more fat loss in the next couple of weeks now that I am off the 4AD.
    Off the 4-ad. What about Syngex? It contains 4-ad. However, the added 1-test may help you lean out more. Are you doing Cardio?
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