can someone explain in laymans terms
- 01-15-2006, 08:45 PM
- 01-16-2006, 02:00 AM
Basicly, both vinegar and cinnamon are proven to lower blood sugar.
One theory on why vinegar lowers blood sugar is that vinegar affects carbohydrate digestion. That acetic acid, a component of vinegar, interferes with the enzymes that digest carbohydrates. So the simple carbs pass on through without stopping, much like fiber does.
And cinnamonís effect on blood sugar
is believed to be due to a proanthocyanidin, an active ingredient that increases sensitivity of receptors to insulin.
01-17-2006, 09:18 PM
I've found vinegar to be a very good partitioner when taken with carbs. It produces a definite muscle fulness and for me, makes my veins more pronounced.
01-24-2006, 01:08 PM
01-24-2006, 02:44 PM
01-31-2006, 11:50 AM
A shotglass full mixed in with water is the best dose. It's way too acidic on it's own. You can eyeball the amount. It works well for days with high carb intake. An example would be a carb refeed after a period of depletion. The vinegar makes your glucose use more efficient and allows you to store more inside the muscles. I bloat FAR less when I use vinegar. It's also great for damage control on cheat days as it makes the impact almost non-existant. I prefer it to stuff like GXR and ALA. Vanadyl at high doses is good stuff too.
02-09-2006, 01:38 PM
02-09-2006, 05:58 PM
What about vinegar tablets? Would they work the same or not as effective?Originally Posted by Jblake
02-09-2006, 07:47 PM
You should just go with sodium acetate. It's cheap and much easier/convenient than vinegar.Originally Posted by TenMan
02-09-2006, 08:11 PM
I'm no chemist, but I don't think that sodium acetate will have the exact same effects as acetic acid.
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02-09-2006, 10:21 PM
The tabs aren't as effective in my experience. Most don't contain enough acetic acid to do much for you from what I've read. I'd rather take tablets than choke down vinegar-water though. Blech. Try this instead:Originally Posted by TenMan
This actually tastes pretty good. I'm cutting now and I drink it with my PWO meal. Make sure your water is ICE cold. Just add about a shotglass of vinegar to 12 to 16oz of water and mix in enough sugar free lemonade mix to cover up the flavor. It almost completely cancels out the nasty vinegar taste if you use enough water/flavoring. You can use Crystal Light, your local grocery's generic, they're all the same pretty much. Enjoy!
BTW, I read that the ancient Romans were fond of using different kinds of vinegars diluted in water as a beverage. Jesus request from the cross for a drink being met with a sponge soaked in vinegar on the end of a spear may have actually been an act of kindness instead of mockery as it is often interpreted today. Wierd tastes. Of course they also used garum... look that up. *vomits*
02-09-2006, 10:22 PM
Vinegar tabs should work the same and you would avoid the taste. The tabs still have the vinegar smell. I take them for heartburn, which sounds crazy but it works great for me. Before caps I was taking a shot straight. I love vinegar though.
02-10-2006, 10:48 AM
Vinegar is the main ingredient in many salad dressings and of course vinaigrettes, but you'd probably need a pretty large serving of it for these purposes.
02-11-2006, 01:55 PM
what times would you take it and how would cinnamon fit in the mix?thinking of mixing with crystal lite and green tea
02-16-2006, 01:04 PM
02-20-2006, 06:45 AM
02-20-2006, 07:25 AM
Originally Posted by mab904
WOW direct, to the point and easy to understand. Nice job, thanks
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02-23-2006, 01:21 PM
thanks bro.....now if anyone can tell me how they do this?sip on vinegar/cinnamon all day?like i said i mixed mine with green tea and cinnamon.......oh and im on dnp & igf-lr3 and it actually makes me feel better
02-23-2006, 02:41 PM
Vinegar would be better to have w/ your high carb meals.
I don't think the timing matters w/ the cinnamon.
02-23-2006, 06:15 PM
where do you get your vinegar tabs from? And, is that more expensive than buying a bottle of the liquid?Originally Posted by stri8ted_planet
I have not tried this yet, but I would almost assume that it would be worth some premium to not have to drink vinegar.
02-23-2006, 07:50 PM
02-23-2006, 10:34 PM
you guys really can't stand the taste of apple cider vinegar that much? It's not that bad..lol.
You can get the cinnamon in caps which is what i have, cheap enough to where if it doesn't really work, at least it's the only pill i take that actually smells good.
02-24-2006, 06:20 PM
Sodium acetate is highly soluble in aqueous solutions, so the only difference is that you need more more of it to get the same effect, mg for mg. However, since sodium acetate isn't a proton donor it will more effectively lower the PH of the stomach, which will makes it more effective molecule for molecule. Either one will work.Originally Posted by ManBeast
02-24-2006, 06:30 PM
Just two notes here, first, the active ingredient in cinnamon seems to work primarily on adipocytes, so unless you have chronic hyperglycemia this isn't going to be all that beneficial for you. Second, if you do choose to use cinnamon, it's the water soluble fraction of cinnamon powder that is effective, cinnamon oil (in particular, cinnamaldehyde) has been shown to be a decent irritant and potentially carcinogenic if given over extended periods. It has a rat LD50 of 3.35 g/kg which is pretty big that doesn't take in to account non-immediately evident deleterious effects.Originally Posted by mab904
02-24-2006, 07:07 PM
02-26-2006, 10:31 AM
Never mind. Wow, how about I search your site. I will have to add that to my next order.Originally Posted by hpower
02-26-2006, 06:07 PM
Actually, instead of sodium acetate I have to say magnesium acetate is the way to go. Dietary magnesium deficiency is not uncommon, whereas we get more than enough sodium in our diets generally. Also, it is fairly readily available whereas sodium acetate doesn't seem to be that common.
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