[DAdams91982]

Originally Posted by SprtNvolcoM

No, it also says downregulation of skeletal muscle ... look in your second study post towards the end.

"Furthermore, this is the first study to demonstrate a downregulation of skeletal muscle UCP3 mRNA expression after the lowering of plasma FFA concentrations in humans."

This is the downregulatoin of Uncoupling Protien 3 in skelatal muscle. From what I have read when lowering FFA concentrations in humans... sensitivity to UCP3 increases. But I cannot find where and what UCP3 does. Maybe Dr. D or someone else with more expierience in that field can help you.

Though check these studies on Albuterol.. has HDL increasing effects, while lowering LDL.. .and Lowering overall cholesterol.

You can find them all at pubmed.

(1) Med Sci Sports Exerc. 2000 Jul;32(7):1300-6. Effect of salbutamol on muscle strength and endurance performance in nonasthmatic men. van Baak MA, Mayer LH, Kempinski RE, Hartgens F.

(2) Aviat Space Environ Med. 2004 Jun;75(6):505-11 Albuterol helps resistance exercise attenuate unloading-induced knee extensor losses. Caruso JF, Hamill JL, Yamauchi M, Mercado DR, Cook TD, Keller CP, Montgomery AG, Elias J.

(3) Metabolism. 1996 Jun;45(6):712-7 Effects of oral albuterol on serum lipids and carbohydrate metabolism in healthy men. Maki KC, Skorodin MS, Jessen JH, Laghi F.


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[SprtNvolcoM]

Thanks bro ... I really appreciate your help and comments. You brought up some good info. I've always hated taking clen due to its sides. Who is selling albuterol? PM me if you need to. Thanks again.

Sprt

[DAdams91982]

Originally Posted by SprtNvolcoM

Thanks bro ... I really appreciate your help and comments. You brought up some good info. I've always hated taking clen due to its sides. Who is selling albuterol? PM me if you need to. Thanks again.

Sprt

Two different sponsor are... CEM products, and IBE/Innovative Research. Ive Researched both... and both are dosed perfectly... got the same effects off 4mgs of CEM as 4mgs of IBE.

Adams

[SprtNvolcoM]

Originally Posted by DAdams91982

Two different sponsor are... CEM products, and IBE/Innovative Research. Ive Researched both... and both are dosed perfectly... got the same effects off 4mgs of CEM as 4mgs of IBE.

Damn, I ordered 2 bottles of clen a couple weeks ago. I didnt even see the albuterol. I wish we would have had this talk earlier. Oh well, i'll have ot place another order. Still waiting on my pervious order though.

Anyone know why IBE's customer service went to **** lately? Never had a problem with them in the past. Seems like ever since this katrina incident, they have fallen off their horse a little. Nevertheless, their still a great company.

How do you dose albuterol? similar to clen?

[DAdams91982]

Originally Posted by SprtNvolcoM

Damn, I ordered 2 bottles of clen a couple weeks ago. I didnt even see the albuterol. I wish we would have had this talk earlier. Oh well, i'll have ot place another order. Still waiting on my pervious order though.

Anyone know why IBE's customer service went to **** lately? Never had a problem with them in the past. Seems like ever since this katrina incident, they have fallen off their horse a little. Nevertheless, their still a great company.

How do you dose albuterol? similar to clen?

Yeah start low to assess, just like clen... Its does in mgs. Id start at 2 mgs, then 3, then 4... I havent found the need to go above 4... also Albuterol is short acting... so you dose a few times a day, and its easier to know when to take the last dose... for sleep and all.

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[SprtNvolcoM]

So lets see, we ended this thread on Clen & Albuterol. What about cAMPH? Does anyone have any experiences with this?

[DAdams91982]

Originally Posted by SprtNvolcoM

So lets see, we ended this thread on Clen & Albuterol. What about cAMPH? Does anyone have any experiences with this?

Have used that too... is definately a GREAT product. The bread of it is Forskolin... so look up some studies on that, and you will get a good idea of what your looking for.

Adams

[mtruther]

Originally Posted by SprtNvolcoM

Thanks bro ... I really appreciate your help and comments. You brought up some good info. I've always hated taking clen due to its sides. Who is selling albuterol? PM me if you need to. Thanks again.

Sprt

Just as an aside, there are numerous people who have run clen transdermally without the sides. A lot of people will just measure out the clen into a bottle of lipoderm. I've never heard of anyone getting the jitters or heart palpitations that way--just a localized warming effect.

Might be a wiser way to run these supps.

[jmh80]

Tis true Mtruther. I tried 3000 mcg's of liquid clen in the regular lipoderm - and had the aforementioned warming effect but none of the sides I had when I ran it orally.

Give it a shot!

[SprtNvolcoM]

Originally Posted by jmh80

Tis true Mtruther. I tried 3000 mcg's of liquid clen in the regular lipoderm - and had the aforementioned warming effect but none of the sides I had when I ran it orally.

Give it a shot!

A Dermal Clen? Hmmmm ... what where your results, those who have done this?

[CrimsonOsiris]

If more research was done, and the FDA got off their damn ignorant horse, DNP would revolutionize the war on fat and obesity. It would def need to be prescription only, and run at the lower long term doses for the average person. It would almost make it unfair to everyone who ever had to bust their ass to lose their unwanted weight. and its relatively cheap when purchased legally. 50 bucks for 100 grams.

[jmh80]

I did see that my lower abs looked better. I ran it for like 11 days.
I definately saw improvement in that time period.
As mentioned, didn't see any sides.

Check out the "Spooky Lipoderm Support" thread in the Avant section. (At least I think it's in the Avant section.....)

[SprtNvolcoM]

I've decided, after many hours researching this option, to use DNP. I found a good source for cheap. I plan on starting out at 200mg ED for 2wks. If that does me well, I'll take 7 to 10days off and run it again at 200mg ED for the first week & 400mg for the second week (again for 2 weeks). I want to see how I react to it, the sides, before jumping into anything (naturally). I'll be using Lipo-Ultra along with it.

I also plan on using cAMPH, Lipoderm-Ultra (several bottles), Phenogen, SesaThin, & Albuterol or Clen later in the furture. I'm going order them now so I have them on hand when I need them. When that time comes (to run them) I'll probably alternate between the Albuterol/Clen 2wks on/off and cAMPH, Phenogen 2wks on/off ... always running the lipo-ultra and sesathin along with regular fishoils and cardio. What do you all think?

As for my list of supps ^^ do you have any suggestions for me? Add or take away anything?

Thanks,
Sprt

[DAdams91982]

Originally Posted by SprtNvolcoM

I've decided, after many hours researching this option, to use DNP. I found a good source for cheap. I plan on starting out at 200mg ED for 2wks. If that does me well, I'll take 7 to 10days off and run it again at 200mg ED for the first week & 400mg for the second week (again for 2 weeks). I want to see how I react to it, the sides, before jumping into anything (naturally). I'll be using Lipo-Ultra along with it.

I also plan on using cAMPH, Lipoderm-Ultra (several bottles), Phenogen, SesaThin, & Albuterol or Clen later in the furture. I'm going order them now so I have them on hand when I need them. When that time comes (to run them) I'll probably alternate between the Albuterol/Clen 2wks on/off and cAMPH, Phenogen 2wks on/off ... always running the lipo-ultra and sesathin along with regular fishoils and cardio. What do you all think?

As for my list of supps ^^ do you have any suggestions for me? Add or take away anything?

Thanks,
Sprt

Sounds solid... as long as diet is in check. As for DNP, your second cycle I gaurantee dont last 2 weeks... when you up to 400, things change DRASTICALLY. That is why I like 200mgs per day, for longer times. Just dont forget the Querciten, and/or Benadryl.

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