Originally Posted by SprtNvolcoM

No, it also says downregulation of skeletal muscle ... look in your second study post towards the end.

"Furthermore, this is the first study to demonstrate a downregulation of skeletal muscle UCP3 mRNA expression after the lowering of plasma FFA concentrations in humans."

This is the downregulatoin of Uncoupling Protien 3 in skelatal muscle. From what I have read when lowering FFA concentrations in humans... sensitivity to UCP3 increases. But I cannot find where and what UCP3 does. Maybe Dr. D or someone else with more expierience in that field can help you.

Though check these studies on Albuterol.. has HDL increasing effects, while lowering LDL.. .and Lowering overall cholesterol.

You can find them all at pubmed.

(1) Med Sci Sports Exerc. 2000 Jul;32(7):1300-6. Effect of salbutamol on muscle strength and endurance performance in nonasthmatic men. van Baak MA, Mayer LH, Kempinski RE, Hartgens F.

(2) Aviat Space Environ Med. 2004 Jun;75(6):505-11 Albuterol helps resistance exercise attenuate unloading-induced knee extensor losses. Caruso JF, Hamill JL, Yamauchi M, Mercado DR, Cook TD, Keller CP, Montgomery AG, Elias J.

(3) Metabolism. 1996 Jun;45(6):712-7 Effects of oral albuterol on serum lipids and carbohydrate metabolism in healthy men. Maki KC, Skorodin MS, Jessen JH, Laghi F.


Adams

Thanks bro ... I really appreciate your help and comments. You brought up some good info. I've always hated taking clen due to its sides. Who is selling albuterol? PM me if you need to. Thanks again.

Sprt

Originally Posted by SprtNvolcoM

Thanks bro ... I really appreciate your help and comments. You brought up some good info. I've always hated taking clen due to its sides. Who is selling albuterol? PM me if you need to. Thanks again.

Sprt

Two different sponsor are... CEM products, and IBE/Innovative Research. Ive Researched both... and both are dosed perfectly... got the same effects off 4mgs of CEM as 4mgs of IBE.

Adams

Originally Posted by DAdams91982

Two different sponsor are... CEM products, and IBE/Innovative Research. Ive Researched both... and both are dosed perfectly... got the same effects off 4mgs of CEM as 4mgs of IBE.

Damn, I ordered 2 bottles of clen a couple weeks ago. I didnt even see the albuterol. I wish we would have had this talk earlier. Oh well, i'll have ot place another order. Still waiting on my pervious order though.

Anyone know why IBE's customer service went to **** lately? Never had a problem with them in the past. Seems like ever since this katrina incident, they have fallen off their horse a little. Nevertheless, their still a great company.

How do you dose albuterol? similar to clen?

Originally Posted by SprtNvolcoM

Damn, I ordered 2 bottles of clen a couple weeks ago. I didnt even see the albuterol. I wish we would have had this talk earlier. Oh well, i'll have ot place another order. Still waiting on my pervious order though.

Anyone know why IBE's customer service went to **** lately? Never had a problem with them in the past. Seems like ever since this katrina incident, they have fallen off their horse a little. Nevertheless, their still a great company.

How do you dose albuterol? similar to clen?

Yeah start low to assess, just like clen... Its does in mgs. Id start at 2 mgs, then 3, then 4... I havent found the need to go above 4... also Albuterol is short acting... so you dose a few times a day, and its easier to know when to take the last dose... for sleep and all.

Adams

So lets see, we ended this thread on Clen & Albuterol. What about cAMPH? Does anyone have any experiences with this?

Originally Posted by SprtNvolcoM

So lets see, we ended this thread on Clen & Albuterol. What about cAMPH? Does anyone have any experiences with this?

Have used that too... is definately a GREAT product. The bread of it is Forskolin... so look up some studies on that, and you will get a good idea of what your looking for.

Adams

Originally Posted by SprtNvolcoM

Thanks bro ... I really appreciate your help and comments. You brought up some good info. I've always hated taking clen due to its sides. Who is selling albuterol? PM me if you need to. Thanks again.

Sprt

Just as an aside, there are numerous people who have run clen transdermally without the sides. A lot of people will just measure out the clen into a bottle of lipoderm. I've never heard of anyone getting the jitters or heart palpitations that way--just a localized warming effect.

Might be a wiser way to run these supps.

Tis true Mtruther. I tried 3000 mcg's of liquid clen in the regular lipoderm - and had the aforementioned warming effect but none of the sides I had when I ran it orally.

Give it a shot!

Originally Posted by jmh80

Tis true Mtruther. I tried 3000 mcg's of liquid clen in the regular lipoderm - and had the aforementioned warming effect but none of the sides I had when I ran it orally.

Give it a shot!

A Dermal Clen? Hmmmm ... what where your results, those who have done this?

If more research was done, and the FDA got off their damn ignorant horse, DNP would revolutionize the war on fat and obesity. It would def need to be prescription only, and run at the lower long term doses for the average person. It would almost make it unfair to everyone who ever had to bust their ass to lose their unwanted weight. and its relatively cheap when purchased legally. 50 bucks for 100 grams.

I did see that my lower abs looked better. I ran it for like 11 days.
I definately saw improvement in that time period.
As mentioned, didn't see any sides.

Check out the "Spooky Lipoderm Support" thread in the Avant section. (At least I think it's in the Avant section.....)

I've decided, after many hours researching this option, to use DNP. I found a good source for cheap. I plan on starting out at 200mg ED for 2wks. If that does me well, I'll take 7 to 10days off and run it again at 200mg ED for the first week & 400mg for the second week (again for 2 weeks). I want to see how I react to it, the sides, before jumping into anything (naturally). I'll be using Lipo-Ultra along with it.

I also plan on using cAMPH, Lipoderm-Ultra (several bottles), Phenogen, SesaThin, & Albuterol or Clen later in the furture. I'm going order them now so I have them on hand when I need them. When that time comes (to run them) I'll probably alternate between the Albuterol/Clen 2wks on/off and cAMPH, Phenogen 2wks on/off ... always running the lipo-ultra and sesathin along with regular fishoils and cardio. What do you all think?

As for my list of supps ^^ do you have any suggestions for me? Add or take away anything?

Thanks,
Sprt

Originally Posted by SprtNvolcoM

I've decided, after many hours researching this option, to use DNP. I found a good source for cheap. I plan on starting out at 200mg ED for 2wks. If that does me well, I'll take 7 to 10days off and run it again at 200mg ED for the first week & 400mg for the second week (again for 2 weeks). I want to see how I react to it, the sides, before jumping into anything (naturally). I'll be using Lipo-Ultra along with it.

I also plan on using cAMPH, Lipoderm-Ultra (several bottles), Phenogen, SesaThin, & Albuterol or Clen later in the furture. I'm going order them now so I have them on hand when I need them. When that time comes (to run them) I'll probably alternate between the Albuterol/Clen 2wks on/off and cAMPH, Phenogen 2wks on/off ... always running the lipo-ultra and sesathin along with regular fishoils and cardio. What do you all think?

As for my list of supps ^^ do you have any suggestions for me? Add or take away anything?

Thanks,
Sprt

Sounds solid... as long as diet is in check. As for DNP, your second cycle I gaurantee dont last 2 weeks... when you up to 400, things change DRASTICALLY. That is why I like 200mgs per day, for longer times. Just dont forget the Querciten, and/or Benadryl.

Adams

Originally Posted by DAdams91982

Sounds solid... as long as diet is in check. As for DNP, your second cycle I gaurantee dont last 2 weeks... when you up to 400, things change DRASTICALLY. That is why I like 200mgs per day, for longer times. Just dont forget the Querciten, and/or Benadryl.

Adams

Let me ask you ... because DNP dyhdrates and depletes electrolite balance, would you recommend drinking gatoraid? The reason i ask is because of the simple carbs. I've read simple carbs really turn the heat up and start you sweating. Its like a double edge sword. You need to stay hydrated and keep electrolite balanced (excuse my spelling by the way), but no one likes to sweat. How bad is the sweating, truthfully, when simple carbs are consumed? I guess it doesnt matter, there isnt really a away around them (simple carbs); they're everywhere.

Originally Posted by SprtNvolcoM

Let me ask you ... because DNP dyhdrates and depletes electrolite balance, would you recommend drinking gatoraid? The reason i ask is because of the simple carbs. I've read simple carbs really turn the heat up and start you sweating. Its like a double edge sword. You need to stay hydrated and keep electrolite balanced (excuse my spelling by the way), but no one likes to sweat. How bad is the sweating, truthfully, when simple carbs are consumed? I guess it doesnt matter, there isnt really a away around them (simple carbs); they're everywhere.

At 200 mgs a day the sweating it tolerable... at night it picks up a bit.. you'll wake up with sweat running down your face... at 400 a day... it down right unbearable almost. I could only go 3 or 4 days at 400. As for the gatorade... You are right about the electrolytes... its leeches them out quickly..same with sodium. I never bothered with gatorade myself... I just at clean, and drank a **** TON of water. If you do take in the gatorade, I do suspect you will be damn hot for the next two hours or so. DNP is a listen to your body type thing... Dont start judging it till the 3rd day, since it builds up in your system... Then test the waters. Drink some gatorade, and see how it makes your feel. Etc.

Adams

Originally Posted by DAdams91982

At 200 mgs a day the sweating it tolerable... at night it picks up a bit.. you'll wake up with sweat running down your face... at 400 a day... it down right unbearable almost. I could only go 3 or 4 days at 400. As for the gatorade... You are right about the electrolytes... its leeches them out quickly..same with sodium. I never bothered with gatorade myself... I just at clean, and drank a **** TON of water. If you do take in the gatorade, I do suspect you will be damn hot for the next two hours or so. DNP is a listen to your body type thing... Dont start judging it till the 3rd day, since it builds up in your system... Then test the waters. Drink some gatorade, and see how it makes your feel. Etc.

Adams

I just tried to PM you, but for some strange reason I dont have permission. Weird, I'll have to talk to admin. I want to show you some ****, if you wouldnt mind taking a loot at it. You try PMing me or E-Mailing me at my cyber-rights in the sig. I would appreciate it.

Wow...from sesathin to DNP. This thread to a wild Journey. Be careful sport and treat DNP with the respect it deserves.

I hear exercise is a good fat burner. Ok, I'm going to leave and NOT be an ass....

In all seriousness, I'd be afraid I'd dose or measure my DNP wrong and my wife would find me in a pile of burnt ashes.

hi whats a good site for me to get some albutrol and how much do i need to take mgs ? my bf is over 20

one of our sponser sells albuterol. dig deeper.

little bit about me i was working out none stop lost weight at 16 lost 60 pounds kept it off for 8 yrs . then mom died and i went into a depression gained 50 pounds then went to school because of stress gained 30 more . all along over 8 yrs tryed trainers supplements, wws, jenny,hypnosis, only thing worked was t3 and cytomel lost 30 but gained back yr later

what is sesamin never heard of it before until in here and lipoultra can i get these at gnc ?

Originally Posted by jim brooks

what is sesamin never heard of it before until in here and lipoultra can i get these at gnc ?

Sure, if you want to spend a small fortune.

www.bulknutrition.com
Look up avantlab products.

thanks for helping me bro . i have a ? if i take superdrol 20 mgs with albuterol 12 will i gain weight because of the superdrol ? i will do 1800 cal and cardio

If you are interestd in a seasamin product- I'd get the Scivation product. Nutraplanet has it on sale for like $26.

I wouldn't run Superdrol at 1800 cals. IMO, that would be a waste. It seems to work bette at high cals with enough carbs. I doubt you could get 1800 cals and enough carbs to make SD effective.

And there is a chance you would gain a small amount of weight on SD and albuterol.

thanks for the info

thought this may be of interest:

FDA may make first weight-loss pill available over the counter
WASHINGTON (AP) — A prescription diet drug that blocks the absorption of fat is "no magic pill" but will nevertheless help control calorie intake, the drug manufacturer said Monday as the Food and Drug Administration considered whether to approve the pill for over-the-counter sales.

In 1999, the regulatory agency approved orlistat, marketed as Xenical, for sale as a prescription drug. The drug blocks the absorption of fat the first weight-loss drug it has approved for over-the-counter sales.

Now, GlaxoSmithKline Consumer health care seeks to sell an over-the-counter version of the pill.

"There is no magic pill for weight loss and orlistat is not a magic pill. Orlistat is a tool that will help people control their calorie intake and modify their diet," said John Dent, the pharmaceutical company's senior vice president of research and development.

That proposed version, called Alli (pronounced "ally"), would contain half the dose of the prescription capsule. Two FDA advisory committees were to vote on recommending approval late Monday.

The agency usually follows the non-binding recommendations of its outside panels of experts.

An earlier, internal FDA review found the drug is a "safe and effective weight loss agent," but held off on concluding whether it should be sold without a prescription. The review found that over-the-counter use of the drug could lead to vitamin deficiencies and encourage abuse.

On Monday, FDA panel members questioned whether consumers would be able to distinguish Alli from non-approved dietary supplements also sold as weight-loss aids. They also expressed concern about its effect on vitamin intake.

When taken with meals, the drug blocks the absorption of about one-quarter of any fat consumed. That fat is passed out of the body in stools, which can be loose or oily as a result. Other side effects include gas, incontinence and oily spotting. About half of patients in trials experienced such side effects, the company said.

In six-month clinical trials, obese people who took orlistat lost on average 5.3 pounds to 6.2 pounds more than did those who were given dummy pills, according to FDA documents. The drug's effect on weight loss is "gradual and modest," said Steve Burton, Glaxo's vice president of weight control.

The primary concern of FDA reviewers was the drug's potential to create vitamin deficiencies, since its use also blocks absorption of fat-soluble vitamins like D, E, K and beta-carotene. The company has recommended patients take multivitamins when using the drug.

However, at least 47% of people ignored that advice in drug trials. Furthermore, just 35% of diabetes patients in a study correctly stated the drug was inappropriate for them, according to FDA documents.

Those sort of results worried FDA reviewers, who questioned the risk of selling the drug directly to consumers "without the principal involvement of a learned intermediary," or prescribing doctor.

The reviewers also showed concern about the increased potential for abuse or misuse of a prescription-free version of the drug, especially among bulimics or binge-eaters who could develop vitamin deficiencies due to chronic use. The company said there was a "very low" potential for abuse.

British-owned GlaxoSmithKline's U.S. operations are based in Philadelphia and Research Triangle Park, N.C.

article was found in USA Tody: http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/...tm?POE=NEWISVA

Originally Posted by Hank Vangut

thought this may be of interest:

FDA may make first weight-loss pill available over the counter
WASHINGTON (AP) — A prescription diet drug that blocks the absorption of fat is "no magic pill" but will nevertheless help control calorie intake, the drug manufacturer said Monday as the Food and Drug Administration considered whether to approve the pill for over-the-counter sales.

In 1999, the regulatory agency approved orlistat, marketed as Xenical, for sale as a prescription drug. The drug blocks the absorption of fat the first weight-loss drug it has approved for over-the-counter sales.

Now, GlaxoSmithKline Consumer health care seeks to sell an over-the-counter version of the pill.

"There is no magic pill for weight loss and orlistat is not a magic pill. Orlistat is a tool that will help people control their calorie intake and modify their diet," said John Dent, the pharmaceutical company's senior vice president of research and development.

That proposed version, called Alli (pronounced "ally"), would contain half the dose of the prescription capsule. Two FDA advisory committees were to vote on recommending approval late Monday.

The agency usually follows the non-binding recommendations of its outside panels of experts.

An earlier, internal FDA review found the drug is a "safe and effective weight loss agent," but held off on concluding whether it should be sold without a prescription. The review found that over-the-counter use of the drug could lead to vitamin deficiencies and encourage abuse.

On Monday, FDA panel members questioned whether consumers would be able to distinguish Alli from non-approved dietary supplements also sold as weight-loss aids. They also expressed concern about its effect on vitamin intake.

When taken with meals, the drug blocks the absorption of about one-quarter of any fat consumed. That fat is passed out of the body in stools, which can be loose or oily as a result. Other side effects include gas, incontinence and oily spotting. About half of patients in trials experienced such side effects, the company said.

In six-month clinical trials, obese people who took orlistat lost on average 5.3 pounds to 6.2 pounds more than did those who were given dummy pills, according to FDA documents. The drug's effect on weight loss is "gradual and modest," said Steve Burton, Glaxo's vice president of weight control.

The primary concern of FDA reviewers was the drug's potential to create vitamin deficiencies, since its use also blocks absorption of fat-soluble vitamins like D, E, K and beta-carotene. The company has recommended patients take multivitamins when using the drug.

However, at least 47% of people ignored that advice in drug trials. Furthermore, just 35% of diabetes patients in a study correctly stated the drug was inappropriate for them, according to FDA documents.

Those sort of results worried FDA reviewers, who questioned the risk of selling the drug directly to consumers "without the principal involvement of a learned intermediary," or prescribing doctor.

The reviewers also showed concern about the increased potential for abuse or misuse of a prescription-free version of the drug, especially among bulimics or binge-eaters who could develop vitamin deficiencies due to chronic use. The company said there was a "very low" potential for abuse.

British-owned GlaxoSmithKline's U.S. operations are based in Philadelphia and Research Triangle Park, N.C.

article was found in USA Tody: http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/...tm?POE=NEWISVA

Ive been in NY-Long Island area allweek and that is all i haveeard about ( on the radio & nes channels). I'm so sick of hearing about it. If it works so well as a script, why havent many of us heard about it? Now they want to lower the dose andsell it OTC? I doubt its going to have any more of an effect than it does script. & you'll always have soem idoit up his/he dose and have some adverse sides to it causing manufactures to pull it from the shelves again.

besides, i heard all it does it make u **** water and blow gas all day. literally!! lol, WTF! Just another overly hyped out script turned OCT that will do nothing for America's obese.

Originally Posted by SprtNvolcoM

Ive been in NY-Long Island area allweek and that is all i haveeard about ( on the radio & nes channels). I'm so sick of hearing about it. If it works so well as a script, why havent many of us heard about it? Now they want to lower the dose andsell it OTC? I doubt its going to have any more of an effect than it does script. & you'll always have soem idoit up his/he dose and have some adverse sides to it causing manufactures to pull it from the shelves again.

besides, i heard all it does it make u **** water and blow gas all day. literally!! lol, WTF! Just another overly hyped out script turned OCT that will do nothing for America's obese.

It works okay for people who won't control their diet. For BBing its pretty close to worthless.