After workout shake...

[jverch]

okay...I've been using Optimum Nutrition After Max for 3 years now for my postworkout shake and it's worked fine, but I'm looking for a cheaper alternative...anybody have suggestions? It has 40g protein/40g carbs and tastes pretty darn good considering all the crap I've tried in the past five years.

[shootmeagain]

Trying to get cheaper than Optimum?

Hmm...

Well, you could buy bulk protein (from board sponsor All The Whey for instance) and bulk maltodextrin or dextrose.

Or something such as that.

??

[CarryOnTheChaos]

25lbs from the AllTheWhey is like 79.95 if my memory serves me correctly...MUCH CHEAPER then optimum.

or if you know guys that work at *** tell them to hook you up with some nitro-tech cause that **** is sweeter than a milkshake...however, if paying full-price is WAY over-rated, lol.

regards,
COTC

[jverch]

yeah...I was just checking out the SuperMass 600...it's a bit cheaper than Optimum.

Nitrotech? ...isn't that just asking to get spammed? heh j/k

Guess my objective is two-fold...cheaper and a little higher carb/protein ratio...60/40 (carb/protein)...for instance.

[Kristopher]

add a handfull of oats to the shake and blend.. problem solved

[BIGPHILL1984]

or get some cheap whey and mix with ff milk. I do! 440 cals, 64 grams of protein, 40 grams of carbs

[shootmeagain]

It depends on your situation and goals. If you are looking to reduce bodyfat you're going to want to stay away from dextrose and milk (lactose; milk sugar) in your shakes... though, it can be argued, rightly so, that post-workout could be the only time for such things in a diet.

Oats can be a good option post-workout too, as someone mentioned, however, if you are trying to get the 'fast' protein/carb shake, oats don't fit that bill. I'd rather take in my whey isolate, for example, right after training and then, about an hour later, have a meal with oats as the carb source.

There are many ways to approach it. Some are better than others depending on what you are doing diet and training wise, where you are and what your goals are, etc.

You can certainly start this idea of saving money and being control of the protein/carb ratio by buying bulk protein.

[captain chet]

i use oats and dextrose, so i have a short burst with the dextrose, and a longer acting carb with the oats. Sort of like the sust of PWO shakes.

[DieTrying]

Oats can be a good option post-workout too, as someone mentioned, however, if you are trying to get the 'fast' protein/carb shake, oats don't fit that bill. I'd rather take in my whey isolate, for example, right after training and then, about an hour later, have a meal with oats as the carb source.

There is no need for trying to drink a 'fast' carb source. Aminos yes, but carbs no. I suggest you check out the sticky from old threads. This has been beaten to death.

[Giantz11]

Also I think that milk is just fine PWO, so long as its Skim.

[DieTrying]

Also I think that milk is just fine PWO, so long as its Skim.

Skim milk is perfect

[TheCrownedOne]

Milk is fine
Anytime.

I don't what the big stigma is with drinking milk and cutting. FF Milk isn't going to hinder fat loss.

[shootmeagain]

There is no need for trying to drink a 'fast' carb source. Aminos yes, but carbs no. I suggest you check out the sticky from old threads. This has been beaten to death.

I didn't say there was. I said "IF" basing the idea on the composition of AfterMax (sp?) which is what he said he has been using.

And beaten to death? Sure. Is there one answer for everyone? No.

[shootmeagain]

Milk is fine
Anytime.

I don't what the big stigma is with drinking milk and cutting. FF Milk isn't going to hinder fat loss.

I've got zero against milk and enjoy FF milk every day. However, 'fat-free' (skim) has nothing to do with the sugar content. I'm not sure what the stigma is regarding milk and cutting, I am cutting now, and as I said, drink milk...

...but to ignore the fact that a 12oz glass of milk has 16g of sugar and to think you can drink all you want or drink it anytime is, IMO, in error.

Though I will add, the benefits of milk almost certainly outweigh this minor issue. In the end, I only choose to avoid drinking milk (even though it's fat-free), and other simple carb sources, in the late afternoon and evening hours.

[Dwight Schrute]

Its lactose. Its has a GI of 50 at best. Its "sugar" isn't bad for at all. I can't think of ANY negatives of skim milk.

[DieTrying]

And beaten to death? Sure. Is there one answer for everyone? No.

If you knew what was actually going on in the body post-WO, you would see that its not that difficult.

[DieTrying]

...but to ignore the fact that a 12oz glass of milk has 16g of sugar and to think you can drink all you want or drink it anytime is, IMO, in error.

Skim milk has a GI value of 32.

I usually drink 4 gallons per week when both cutting and bulking.

[shootmeagain]

If you knew what was actually going on in the body post-WO, you would see that its not that difficult.

I don't mind being corrected, educated, even disputed... but no need to go off saying that I don't know anything about what I'm talking about.

[Edit: Removed unnecessary wording... For the record, I do admit to being misguided in my views regarding skim milk. Anyway, see below for the resolution between DieTrying and myself... it's all good.]

[DieTrying]

We have very, very different opinions, and theres nothing wrong with that.

I realize I came off as a dick, and I apologize.

[shootmeagain]

I certainly appreciate that man and echo that right back to you.

I'm really not sure if we have very different opinions or not. Mabe so. Still, I'd be interested in hearing what you have say about post-workout nutrition as a matter of fact. I'll do a search for 'post-wo' and your username.

We now return this thread to its original topic...