Reaping benefits of mid-night meal planning?

  1. Board Moderator
    Unbreakable
    David Dunn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Age
    49
    Posts
    11,715
    Rep Power
    986901

    Reaping benefits of mid-night meal planning?


    I have an idea that may kill two birds with ones stone. Just for the sake of discussion I'm going to air it here. The hope is that I can optimize the concept.

    I have several situations that cause me some grief but I have had to come to terms with the fact that this is life...get over it.

    One situation is I train in the very early AM. I'm up by 3:30-3:45AM and am training by 4:00AM. This poses the issue of pre w/o nutrition. I have plenty of reasonably fast acting stimulants (E/C/cyclo). The issue is not energy but rather nutritional support for performance/training and recovery.

    Another issue is I have the problem of poor sleep patterns which has me rising several times a night. This sometimes leads to binge eating. I know I have always been a comfort food sleeper and I often search for foods that will fill me so I can sleep. But in those twilight hours one sometimes is looking comfort in all the wrong places. It goes without saying that these frequent wakings reduce the qulaity of sleep that I can get in one night.

    So...long story short, here is what I am contemplating; a planned midnight meal. Not a unaccounted for caloric indulgence/binge, but rather a consumption that is planned and accounted for in my daily caloric requirement (depending upon goals). I would also like to structure/time it that it provides sufficient enough slow sustained nutrition to substitute for a pre w/o shake. And, as a bonus...put me back to sleeping for another 3+ solid hours.

    My thought was a slow carb and protein source that would fill me up for satiation, and be sufficient quality clean nutrition to support healthy resistance training several hours later.

    My thought was an oatmeal/calcium caseinate combination. I could make a shake or cook the oatmeal and drink the caseinate or a combination of both.

    At the very best I get 7 hours of sleep. I know I'm going to wake at regular intervals throughout the night, so likely having it prepared in advance will be make for convenience.

    So, supposing I wake somewhere between 11:30 and 12:30 and I down the shake (calories/macros tbd) during that period, would this be too long before my 4:00 w/o to substitue as a pre w/o meal. Is the idea of eating at this time of night a bad idea regarding body composition. Is it a bad idea to condition myself to get the comfort food satiation to achieve the sleep mode.

    I'm sorry for being so long winded with the explaination of the idea. I know the answer to most of the questions that I have possed. I just wanted to open the idea up for some dialogue, as I know there is always something to learn.

    Thanks for the discussion.

  2. Board Moderator
    Unbreakable
    David Dunn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Age
    49
    Posts
    11,715
    Rep Power
    986901

  3. Senior Member
    exnihilo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2003
    Age
    35
    Posts
    1,577
    Rep Power
    924
    Level
    29
    Lv. Percent
    98.27%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting Pro

    I wouldn't PLAN to get up in the middle of the night bro. I'd see a doctor about your sleep problem, and keep a healthy snack handy if you do get up. Have plenty of it available, and eat some upon waking in the morning too, so you have something in you when working out.
    •   
       

  4. I know nothing...
    DmitryWI's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Age
    35
    Posts
    2,532
    Rep Power
    1411
    Level
    38
    Lv. Percent
    31.29%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting Pro

    I get up in the middle of the night to take my regular piss and when I'm bulking I make protein shake ready (milk, protein, oats) and drink it while taking a piss, I know sounds nasty but I'm too sleepy to remember it anyway LOL All I know is I have empty shaker in the morning and I'm bigger and stronger
  5. Board Moderator
    Unbreakable
    David Dunn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Age
    49
    Posts
    11,715
    Rep Power
    986901

    Thanks for the input guys.
    Primary point of interest:
    Quote Originally Posted by B5150
    So, supposing I wake somewhere between 11:30 and 12:30 and I down the shake (calories/macros tbd) during that period, would this be too long before my 4:00 w/o to substitue as a pre w/o meal.
    I would be less hurried not having to make and consume a pre w/o shake at 3:30-3:45. Plus, am I feeding my workout by ingesting a shake 15 mins prior to my workout or am I just filling my belly for it to be digested and absorbed well after my workout is complete anyway.

    Secondary point of interest:
    Quote Originally Posted by B5150
    Is the idea of eating at this time of night a bad idea regarding body composition.
    I am well over my previous carb phobia, but do have concern with ingesting a significant amount of carbs during a non training period. I know it is a pre workout meal that I am aoming to achieve, but I am not considering this with any 'bulk' diet (there will be no more 'bulk' anything in the future) or anything specific as far as caloric surplus, just rather a general maintenance (+/-) diet.

    Who doesn't sleep better with a full belly:
    Quote Originally Posted by B5150
    Is it a bad idea to condition myself to get the comfort food satiation to achieve the sleep mode.
    I do have some issues that I am sure contribute to my current irregular sleep patern. Excess E/C, MDHT, work stress, family stress, stress stress, etc They certainly need attention.
    Quote Originally Posted by B5150
    Thanks for the discussion.
    Last edited by David Dunn; 06-29-2005 at 10:00 AM.
  6. Board Supporter
    IntensePump's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Age
    33
    Posts
    323
    Rep Power
    276
    Level
    15
    Lv. Percent
    44.6%

    Hey dude, figured I'd throw in my 2 cents here.

    To answer one of your questions, I'd say NO, consuming your shake at 3:30 or 3:45 for a 4:00 workout is not to early. In fact, I would say this is ideal for someone in your situation. Futhermore, I think it would be great if you had both the midnight shake as well as the pre workout shake. I am no expert but I will post a reference for my claims.

    The following link is to an article written by a very experienced NUTRIONIST AND BODYBUILDER. The soul purpose of the article is to address pre workout, during, and post workout nutrition. The article is actually the first post of a thread on bb.com so the following replies to the thread contain a lot of great info regarding your issue.

    If you want your questions answered with reasoning, research, and experience to back up the claims, read this...

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=272067


    Quote Originally Posted by B5150
    Thanks for the input guys.
    Primary point of interest:I would be less hurried not having to make and consume a pre w/o shake at 3:30-3:45. Plus, am I feeding my workout by ingesting a shake 15 mins prior to my workout or am I just filling my belly for it to be digested and absorbed well after my workout is complete anyway.

    Secondary point of interest:I am well over my previous carb phobia, but do have concern with ingesting a significant amount of carbs during a non training period. I know it is a pre workout meal that I am aoming to achieve, but I am not considering this with any 'bulk' diet (there will be no more 'bulk' anything in the future) or anything specific as far as caloric surplus, just rather a general maintenance (+/-) diet.

    Who doesn't sleep better with a full belly:I do have some issues that I am sure contribute to my current irregular sleep patern. Excess E/C, MDHT, work stress, family stress, stress stress, etc They certainly need attention.
  7. I know nothing...
    DmitryWI's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Age
    35
    Posts
    2,532
    Rep Power
    1411
    Level
    38
    Lv. Percent
    31.29%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting Pro

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by B5150
    So, supposing I wake somewhere between 11:30 and 12:30 and I down the shake (calories/macros tbd) during that period, would this be too long before my 4:00 w/o to substitue as a pre w/o meal.

    If you drink slow release protein you'll be just fine (2 scoops of protein and 2 cups of milk, just an example) then get some carbs right before workout, cup of juice or banana.


    Quote:
    Originally Posted by B5150
    Is the idea of eating at this time of night a bad idea regarding body composition.

    If you count your cals and include night snack into your total cal consumption, I see no problems with it.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by B5150
    Is it a bad idea to condition myself to get the comfort food satiation to achieve the sleep mode.


    Don't know about that never had this kind of problem, I'd say whatever works for ya.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by B5150
    Thanks for the discussion.

    Always glad to help
  8. Senior Member
    lifted's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Age
    33
    Posts
    2,719
    Rep Power
    0
    Level
    41
    Lv. Percent
    65.84%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting Pro

    sometimes if I miss a meal or two during the day due to a hectic schedule, I'll have ot actually set my alarm clock for 1-2 different times in order to get those last couple of meals in...lol. It doesn' seem to cause any additonal fat gain though.
  

  
 

Similar Forum Threads

  1. Need a meal plan for alot of conditioning
    By tubbednova in forum Nutrition / Health
    Replies: 44
    Last Post: 05-10-2011, 12:20 PM
  2. pre made meal plans and working night shift conflict?
    By bNugs in forum Nutrition / Health
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 09-19-2010, 06:33 PM
  3. one of those nights !
    By shady in forum General Chat
    Replies: 16
    Last Post: 12-14-2008, 10:38 PM
  4. Benefits of Fish Oil
    By YellowJacket in forum Supplements
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: 02-19-2003, 10:52 AM
  5. Replies: 0
    Last Post: 02-08-2003, 11:00 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Log in
Log in