"Dead" skin after weight loss

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by bigsmall View Post
    Was always heavy growing up - lost mass amounts of weight many times and gained back more each time. At 26 yrs I was 400lbs and 5'7" with a 56" waste. Someone explained to me that muscle burns calories and that the slower I lose weight the more muscle I will retain. I went on to lose 270lbs slowly over 4 years. I had some loose skin at the base of the abdomen which I did get removed. No other loose skin anywhere - to speak of except the inside of my legs. I should post before and after pics. Slow loss is the key to less loose skin along with lots of exercise and water. I am now 50 yrs and 240lbs and about 17% bodyfat. I can eat what I want when I want. Anyone who loses allot of weight and does it quick or even somewhat quick is left with a lowered (damaged) metabolism that will lead to them gfaining even more weight.
    This is exactly the opposite to what this snakediet guy states - thus video sums up the guy pretty well imo. According to him extreme fast weight loss is the only way to deal with loose skin.

    Wondering at what point he’ll actually give any sort of scientific explanation or point to any proper study which backs his point up.......

    https://youtu.be/FsOBhLRJjAE

    Autophagy isn’t fully understood yet, I’ve looked and can find NO studies that support a reduction in loose skin. The whole cell destruction and repair aspect might have benefits but it looks like many experts believe the fast needs to be 4-5 days before those mechanisms ramp up (so fasting for 3 wouldn’t do sh1t).

    I’m always looking to learn and it’s been interesting that you’ve raised it but I personally don’t feel it’s fair to be telling people that this WILL deal with loose skin. There’s just no meaningful evidence and it’s a very extreme approach.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by Whisky View Post
    This is exactly the opposite to what this snakediet guy states - thus video sums up the guy pretty well imo. According to him extreme fast weight loss is the only way to deal with loose skin.

    Wondering at what point he’ll actually give any sort of scientific explanation or point to any proper study which backs his point up.......

    https://youtu.be/FsOBhLRJjAE

    Autophagy isn’t fully understood yet, I’ve looked and can find NO studies that support a reduction in loose skin. The whole cell destruction and repair aspect might have benefits but it looks like many experts believe the fast needs to be 4-5 days before those mechanisms ramp up (so fasting for 3 wouldn’t do sh1t).

    I’m always looking to learn and it’s been interesting that you’ve raised it but I personally don’t feel it’s fair to be telling people that this WILL deal with loose skin. There’s just no meaningful evidence and it’s a very extreme approach.
    I understand. I would have though their would be have been scientific evidence to support this (one way or another) - however, I have never cared to look.

    I lost significant amounts of weight 100-200lbs 4 times between the ages of 9-20. Those weight losses were assisted via weight loss clinic type places - in each case I lost about 3-4lbs a week on average (which I consider way too fast). In each case, I was left with hanging skin under my arms in other areas where the slow weight loss (.5-1lb per week) did not produce. Also in each case, I ended up gaining more and more weight - due to muscle loss (science says muscle burns calories at rest). I worked hard and lost much of the best years of my life to wieght problems and wish I had done it the last way the first time. The damage done to your body and mind by losing and gaining weight is significant. I am now 50 years old and since the age of 28 or so - I have helped many people (I would say oever a hundred to be conservative) lose weight (and gain weight) - none of them ever successfully kept off weight that was lost quickly. And the quicker the weight loss - the more loose skin - every single time. Again, this is what I have observed through my journey. Take it or leave - people need to make their own decisions.
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  3. "Dead" skin after weight loss


    Are people actually suggesting that your body will use excess skin as a fuel source during fasting? Iíd love to see an actual reference for that. Itís logical enough that slower weight loss would minimize excess skin, just as slower weight gain is less likely to cause stretch marks than rapid weight gain.
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  4. I'm following this, I've lost 90lbs over the few years. Obviously I have loose skin but I don't pay it no mind. Just keep grinding it out

  5. Quote Originally Posted by BOSSMAN View Post
    I'm following this, I've lost 90lbs over the few years. Obviously I have loose skin but I don't pay it no mind. Just keep grinding it out
    That's awesome bro - what a great attitude.
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  6. Just try to keep the muscles full and hard, should be good to go. Only time it's noticeable is when I'm doing push ups or planks....
  7. "Dead" skin after weight loss


    maybe itís not the best example but look up the old photos of prisoners from Germans concentration camps who had the lucky to survive.... many of them was overweight they didnít eat for days/weeks/months basically they was in starvation mode , you not gonna find on their body loose skin , body will always reject what doesnít need . Iím using intermittent fasting last 5-6 years,on Iím also keto last two years ,through those years I lost few times 20-25 ibs , 2-4 days of eating nothing is not something extraordinary
    IF works I do not have lose skin, or at least waaay less than I should have,
    Btw I used to be 275 pounds probably 20-30% bf now Iím 200 about 6-7 bf everything is possible....

  8. Quote Originally Posted by bobi593 View Post
    maybe itís not the best example but look up the old photos of prisoners from Germans concentration camps who had the lucky to survive.... many of them was overweight they didnít eat for days/weeks/months basically they was in starvation mode , you not gonna find on their body loose skin , body will always reject what doesnít need . Iím using intermittent fasting last 5-6 years,on Iím also keto last two years ,through those years I lost few times 20-25 ibs , 2-4 days of eating nothing is not something maybe itís not the best example but look up the old photos of prisoners from Germans concentration camps who had the lucky to survive.... many of them was overweight they didnít eat for days/weeks/months basically they was in starvation mode , you not gonna find on their body loose skin , body will always reject what doesnít need . Iím using intermittent fasting last 5-6 years,on Iím also keto last two years ,through those years I lost few times 20-25 ibs , 2-4 days of eating nothing is not maybe itís not the best example but look up the old photos of prisoners from Germans concentration camps who had the lucky to survive.... many of them was overweight they didnít eat for days/weeks/months basically they was in starvation mode , you not gonna find on their body loose skin , body will always reject what doesnít need . Iím using intermittent fasting last 5-6 years,on Iím also keto last two years ,through those years I lost few times 20-25 ibs , 2-4 days of eating nothing for me is not something extraordinary, IF works I do not have lose skin, or at least waaay less than I should have,
    Really? Your example is people in concentration camps? By that point theyíre literally skin and bones; thereís no muscle or anything left. Iíd argue that if you insist on starving yourself long term, youíll lose far more muscle than skin. Iíd also argue that there werenít as many obese people going into concentration camps as youíd think. First, obesity wasnít nearly as prevalent in Europe in the 1940s as it is today in, say, America. Furthermore, many Jews were living (forced into) in ghettos and poor and hungry well before being sent to concentration camps, which means that even less people were overweight when entering the camps.

    This is a really bad example. Furthermore, do you know what they looked like before reaching the point of literally being on the brink of death? Perhaps they lost tons of fat and muscle and only then did the excess skin start disappearing.
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by bobi593 View Post
    maybe itís not the best example but look up the old photos of prisoners from Germans concentration camps who had the lucky to survive.... many of them was overweight they didnít eat for days/weeks/months basically they was in starvation mode , you not gonna find on their body loose skin , body will always reject what doesnít need . Iím using intermittent fasting last 5-6 years,on Iím also keto last two years ,through those years I lost few times 20-25 ibs , 2-4 days of eating nothing is not something extraordinary
    IF works I do not have lose skin, or at least waaay less than I should have,
    Btw I used to be 275 pounds probably 20-30% bf now Iím 200 about 6-7 bf everything is possible....
    Soooo, your going for the concentration camp look? Let us know how that goes for you.
    I mean if you really hate your balls, go for it. But, what did they do to you?

  10. Quote Originally Posted by muscleupcrohn View Post
    Really? Your example is people in concentration camps? By that point they’re literally skin and bones; there’s no muscle or anything left. I’d argue that if you insist on starving yourself long term, you’ll lose far more muscle than skin. I’d also argue that there weren’t as many obese people going into concentration camps as you’d think. First, obesity wasn’t nearly as prevalent in Europe in the 1940s as it is today in, say, America. Furthermore, many Jews were living (forced into) in ghettos and poor and hungry well before being sent to concentration camps, which means that even less people were overweight when entering the camps.

    This is a really bad example. Furthermore, do you know what they looked like before reaching the point of literally being on the brink of death? Perhaps they lost tons of fat and muscle and only then did the excess skin start disappearing.
    Exactly. Horrible example.

    To be honest even that loss of 75 lbs (regardless of method) could easily not leave much in the way of loose skin. Loose skin is dependant on genetics, age, amount of time skin was stretched and amount of weight loss. Normally 100lbs plus is the starting point in terms of weight and bad loose skin issues.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by DemntedCowboy View Post
    Soooo, your going for the concentration camp look? Let us know how that goes for you.
    80's supermodel diet (cocaine and more cocaine)..
  12. "Dead" skin after weight loss


    as I said itís not the best example. what I want to say is that intermittent fasting ( especially long fasting periods) greatly effect loose skin, I know this from my experience. Loosing muscle? most of the guys here is on some sort of PED ( even if they donít look like which is sad .....DemntedCowboy ) when you on something you donít have to worry about muscle loss so much. Btw photo or never happened right? Name:  IMG_6021.JPG
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by bobi593 View Post
    as I said itís not the best example. what I want to say is that intermittent fasting ( especially long fasting periods) greatly effect loose skin, I know this from my experience. Loosing muscle? most of the guys here is on some sort of PED ( even if they donít look like which is sad .....DemntedCowboy ) when you on something you donít have to worry about muscle loss so much. Btw photo or never happened right? Name:  IMG_6021.JPG
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    Say what you want buddy, but what I have accomplished in 3 years makes me look great. And as far as on anything. I aint on anything and havent been for a few months. Specially when your a disabled vet, recovering from a broken neck and back and having half your face blown off and being told you may never walk again. So, next time you try to call someone out. You might wanna look into their past a bit buddy.
    I mean if you really hate your balls, go for it. But, what did they do to you?

  14. Quote Originally Posted by DemntedCowboy View Post
    Say what you want buddy, but what I have accomplished in 3 years makes me look great. And as far as on anything. I aint on anything and havent been for a few months. Specially when your a disabled vet, recovering from a broken neck and back and having half your face blown off and being told you may never walk again. So, next time you try to call someone out. You might wanna look into their past a bit buddy.
    Where did you serve @DemntedCowboy? I was in Iraq in 03 for the initial invasion. Went in through breach point 2 and fought our way North, spent the majority of my time fighting in Nasiriyah. 1st MARDIV infantry.
  15. "Dead" skin after weight loss


    Quote Originally Posted by bobi593 View Post
    as I said itís not the best example. what I want to say is that intermittent fasting ( especially long fasting periods) greatly effect loose skin, I know this from my experience. Loosing muscle? most of the guys here is on some sort of PED ( even if they donít look like which is sad .....DemntedCowboy ) when you on something you donít have to worry about muscle loss so much. Btw photo or never happened right? Name:  IMG_6021.JPG
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    Show me an actual scientific reference showing that fasting has a significant/relevant effect on excess skin relative to similar caloric deficit in a non-fasting diet. So you donít have excess skin; that proves nothing. Plenty of people have no excess skin after losing weight and never fasting. Your n=1 anecdote proves nothing. Show me even one study man. Also, I know Iím not the biggest guy here by any means, but Iím not on anything either, and never have been haha. Youíre in good shape man, so you do what works for you, but letís be realistic here; youíve proved nothing about the effect of fasting on excess skin.
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  16. I was in 1st Cav and served in Iraq in 04-05. Got to Kuwait in December of 03. Served with the 1st Marines in both battles of Fallujah, and the battle of An Najaf based out of Kahdimiyah. Then went back to Iraq in 07-08 with 2nd Inf and was based out of W Rasheed(1st Purple Heart). Then I went to Afghanistan in 09 with the 7th Army based out of Mizan River Providence(2nd Purple Heart) and was subsequently retired after 10 years of service after that tour @21marine
    I mean if you really hate your balls, go for it. But, what did they do to you?

  17. Quote Originally Posted by bobi593 View Post
    as I said it’s not the best example. what I want to say is that intermittent fasting ( especially long fasting periods) greatly effect loose skin, I know this from my experience. Loosing muscle? most of the guys here is on some sort of PED ( even if they don’t look like which is sad .....DemntedCowboy ) when you on something you don’t have to worry about muscle loss so much. Btw photo or never happened right? Name:  IMG_6021.JPG
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    Two issues here

    First - whilst I congratulate anyone on any form of body transformation when it comes to weight loss you, by your own admission only lost 75lbs. With your height and frame that really ain’t much bro. Come back when you’ve carried 140lbs extra for 10+ years and show us how fasting has worked for ya.

    Second, calling out a vet, who’s also well respected on here and is making fine progress is just a sh1t move. Honestly, just why would ya.

    Personally, and I’m sure others would agree, that if you started posting reference to actual scientific studies then we’d be interested. Just saying you don’t have issues with loose skin (picture of your arms proves nothing by the way, even my arms are vascular and lean AF, it’s the stomach where it impacts) isn’t a solid argument.

    IF I agree has benefits btw, I just don’t agree getting rid of loose skin is one of them.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by DemntedCowboy View Post
    Say what you want buddy, but what I have accomplished in 3 years makes me look great. And as far as on anything. I aint on anything and havent been for a few months. Specially when your a disabled vet, recovering from a broken neck and back and having half your face blown off and being told you may never walk again. So, next time you try to call someone out. You might wanna look into their past a bit buddy.
    for amount of the gear which you put in your body( I saw your log) obviously AAS are not for you...... also I feel sorry for you , I feel your pain injury are sucks a had many ( but not so serious) too

  19. Quote Originally Posted by muscleupcrohn View Post
    Show me an actual scientific reference showing that fasting has a significant/relevant effect on excess skin relative to similar caloric deficit in a non-fasting diet. So you donít have excess skin; that proves nothing. Plenty of people have no excess skin after losing weight and never fasting. Your n=1 anecdote proves nothing. Show me even one study man. Also, I know Iím not the biggest guy here by any means, but Iím not on anything either, and never have been haha. Youíre in good shape man, so you do what works for you, but letís be realistic here; youíve proved nothing about the effect of fasting on excess skin.
    I do not have scientific proof, I just said this from my experience.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Whisky View Post
    Two issues here

    First - whilst I congratulate anyone on any form of body transformation when it comes to weight loss you, by your own admission only lost 75lbs. With your height and frame that really ainít much bro. Come back when youíve carried 140lbs extra for 10+ years and show us how fasting has worked for ya.

    Second, calling out a vet, whoís also well respected on here and is making fine progress is just a sh1t move. Honestly, just why would ya.

    Personally, and Iím sure others would agree, that if you started posting reference to actual scientific studies then weíd be interested. Just saying you donít have issues with loose skin (picture of your arms proves nothing by the way, even my arms are vascular and lean AF, itís the stomach where it impacts) isnít a solid argument.

    IF I agree has benefits btw, I just donít agree getting rid of loose skin is one of them.
    normally I do not post photos but I will do that , just for you.....

  21. Quote Originally Posted by bobi593 View Post
    for amount of the gear which you put in your body( I saw your log) obviously AAS are not for you...... also I feel sorry for you , I feel your pain injury are sucks a had many ( but not so serious) too
    The amount of AAS I put in my body. Lol. You might wanna go back and read a bit better. I run low dosages buddy. And if you truly looked at my logs you would know what I looked like 3 years ago after my injuries
    I mean if you really hate your balls, go for it. But, what did they do to you?

  22. Quote Originally Posted by DemntedCowboy View Post
    The amount of AAS I put in my body. Lol. You might wanna go back and read a bit better. I run low dosages buddy. And if you truly looked at my logs you would know what I looked like 3 years ago after my injuries
    I will check this precisely

  23. Quote Originally Posted by bobi593 View Post
    I do not have scientific proof, I just said this from my experience.
    Ok, and it may have worked for you, but I'm sure you'll understand if I don't believe something just because of your n=1 personal experience. Also, how would your personal experience prove anything either way here? The only way that your experience would prove anything is if you lost a lot of weight two separate times; one with fasting and one without, and you had less excess skin while fasting than while not. But even that isn't exactly convincing either, as the situation of regaining and (re)losing weight is a different story entirely, so still, even in this situation, it doesn't really prove anything, as we'd be looking at two different scenarios.
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by muscleupcrohn View Post
    Ok, and it may have worked for you, but I'm sure you'll understand if I don't believe something just because of your n=1 personal experience. Also, how would your personal experience prove anything either way here? The only way that your experience would prove anything is if you lost a lot of weight two separate times; one with fasting and one without, and you had less excess skin while fasting than while not. But even that isn't exactly convincing either, as the situation of regaining and (re)losing weight is a different story entirely, so still, even in this situation, it doesn't really prove anything, as we'd be looking at two different scenarios.
    you like to argue ....

  25. Quote Originally Posted by bobi593 View Post
    you like to argue ....
    As opposed to just accepting everything you say as irrefutable facts despite you providing literally zero support except for an irrelevant concentration camp example? Then yeah, I guess I do. At least I'm not the one resorting to personal attacks (like you did with cowboy) instead of providing actual evidence or support for my claims.
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