[kwyckemynd00]

Okay, here it is!

A couple questions I have (for now) are:
1) Sodium...can I use salt to flavor foods? Steak and Chicken can be pretty flavorless otherwise.
2) Cardio 4x/wk (Weekdays and NOT on leg days)...is this a good place to start? I'm walking around my neighborhoood for 45 mins...
3) And, uh....how does the diet look?

Stats: 21yrs, ~230lbs (clothed, night), 14-15% BF, Metabolism is actually pretty good, I have just been eating horribly.

NOTE: I'll be replacing the OO with Flax (after I get my order in) for most meals.

[kwyckemynd00]

What's up guys, nobody likes the diet forum or what?

[DieTrying]

Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00

What's up guys, nobody likes the diet forum or what?

No, we just don't like timed carb diets

Cardio looks good, and I wouldn't worry about the sodium.

[kwyckemynd00]

Thanks bro

What's bad about timed carb diets? I've heard from quite a few happy TC dieters. Even gaining some strength while dieting sometimes (so long as good fats are high!).

[Giantz11]

kwyckemynd00,

I'm currently using a similar approach although it appears to me that you are getting far to few carbs on your training day PWO. You should have a PPWO with some good carbs such as oats, yams etc... On my training days I eat carbs only PWO. I have carbs with my PWO Shake and then I have carbs with my PPWO meal, a total of about 180-190 carbs. On non-workout days I'll eat dinner with some carbs usually 20-30g, with alot of veggies.

[spitboy]

Originally Posted by Giantz11

kwyckemynd00,

I'm currently using a similar approach although it appears to me that you are getting far to few carbs on your training day PWO. You should have a PPWO with some good carbs such as oats, yams etc... On my training days I eat carbs only PWO. I have carbs with my PWO Shake and then I have carbs with my PPWO meal, a total of about 180-190 carbs. On non-workout days I'll eat dinner with some carbs usually 20-30g, with alot of veggies.

^^^ New guy gives very good advice. I'm a T/C'er as well and I think it looks good otherwise. You do need more carbs on workout days-- treat yourself with some sugary instant oatmeal after the workout and eat a metric assload of yams in the next meal. Then back to P/F with you!

[DieTrying]

Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00

Thanks bro

What's bad about timed carb diets?

I just feel there are better ways. Carbohydrates aren't the reason why you gained bodyfat, and cutting them out of your diet isn't going to fix the problem. I've just always felt that the glycogen depletion/loading thing was dumb and isn't necessary unless you're doing some sort of a photo-shoot or competing.

I feel pretty strongly about my hatred for low-carb diets b/c I got very sick when I went for 3 days with carbs . Was probably the worst I'd felt in my whole life.

[Sticks]

I definately don't agree w/such a low carb diet, but if you're gonna do it good luck.

I pretty much agree with every one here! Just add some more carbs around your workout and you should be set! I can't knock a lowered carb diet as I am on one and it is working beautifully even though I miss my carbs! I am going to try it and then try dieting with carbs again and see which one I liked better! I can't knock Sticks or Die Trying as they have both gotten great results with higher carb diets! Good luck Kwyk!

[Nitrox]

Monitor how your workouts go, if they seem like a chore to get through then add some lower GI carbs pre workout. This will help counter working out with inadequate glycogen stores.

[kwyckemynd00]

Thanks everyeone, for the replys.

I noticed I didn't add in "everything" that I'm taking in PWO. I'll be getting in Malto/Dextrose (50/50=100grams) on top of the oatmeal

Yeah, I see plenty of people doing well on high carb / low fat, high fat / low carb diets, so It will be an experiment for me.

I've just heard great things by timed-carb dieters about keeping mass and strength and figured I'd give it a shot for 4-6 weeks.

Its day #2 so far, and I actually feel quite alright

To recap, basically for all the TC'ers out there (or similar), I should just make sure I get plenty of carbs PWO and everything else looks good?

Thanks again!

[kwyckemynd00]

Originally Posted by Nitrox

Monitor how your workouts go, if they seem like a chore to get through then add some lower GI carbs pre workout. This will help counter working out with inadequate glycogen stores.

Will do, thx!

[luger96]

Malto-Meal or Oatmeal works for me. No other substitude, except mornings and after workouts.....sugar.......mmmm...w/ whey.

[CEDeoudes59]

im following this, but I'm not really much of a help. I can eat 5000calories of Carrot Cake and not put on any fat. Real Carrot Cake. So the rules of dieting that hold true for 80% of the population don't fit here.

goodluck Kwycke... it won't be long now.

[hamper19]

you don't think 91 grams of protien in one sitting is a lot?

[kwyckemynd00]

Originally Posted by hamper19

you don't think 91 grams of protien in one sitting is a lot?

I don't think it's gonna hurt

It was 81grams, and the reason I'm not stressing on it is b/c one serving is whey (which will get used "right" away) and the other portion is chicken (or some other meat) which will take much longer to digest. So, IMHO, it's not like my body is trying to use all of that at once. The liquid whey will run right through me when the chicken is still being digested.

[hamper19]

I don't know if it will differentiate between them and "save one for later" if taken all at the same time. I was trying to look something up but couldn't find it. Pretty much all absorbtion of the protein happens in the small intestine, and I don't know if just b/c one is "liquid" and the other "solid" that they will reach it at different times..since the bottom line is that once in the stomach proteins..(no matter what type) are digested by pepsin i think and move on from there...

I'm thinking that normally for a person under 200 pounds 40-50g per sitting should be more then enough....more might be overkill..unless said individual is taking "supplements"..

the most i was taking was 60g post wo, and just recently reduced it to 42 at most..

I mean I'm just looking at as trying to not waste the powder..if it boils down to 50 and 90g having the same result..might as well save the rest..

h19

[kwyckemynd00]

Well, I see where you're coming from. But one does make it to the small intestine later. And, the solid foods will be digested from the outside in, so this process does not happen all at once.

Plus, for ~25 cents per 27grams of protein, it's really the last concern I have.

I've seen a bunch of those so-called studies that say 40g protein per serving, but you have to take into consideration, the subjects weren't weightlifter / bodybuilders whose bodies have adapted to consume greater amounts of protein.

Anyway, good discussion, but I'm gonna keep some of those protein meals high b/c I feel they help and I don't wanna eat 40gram portions of protein 9x/day to fill my protein requirements