- 03-27-2005, 10:43 PM
- 03-28-2005, 03:40 PM
Originally Posted by exnihilo
Oooh, and BTW...I have been 280lbs before and I am 6" shorter Bra! I am not trying to rub it in, just let you know that I have had weight experience on both side of the coin, the leaner and chubier...both have their pluses and minuses.
03-28-2005, 04:34 PM
I really don't feel like getting into a long winded debate, not in the mood. Suffice to say, barring kovacs style never ending super cycles or mutant alien genetics nobody is going to stay at 5% and still make good progress. If you want to get super lean and prance about oiled up with a fake tan in underwear that's a lifestyle choice man , and I respect your decision (even if I don't consider it a legitimate sport per se, more of a mixture between a freakshow and a beauty pagent ). If you fit into one of the above mentioned categories and are still gaining size and strength at a reasonable rate at 5%, more power to you, you should have some good success at the bodybuilding thing. I made the comment because for 99.999 percent of the people, it is true - if you are in the .001 you should feel lucky man.Originally Posted by sourinthemind
Oh, just for the record I'm about 307 right now btw
03-28-2005, 04:43 PM
307, that's it
I have also been at both sides of the spectrum. I am a former pwerlifter, and at my heaviest I was 370, mind you I was strong as hell, but my bf% was not something to be proud of.
5% year round is not going to net any massive gains in muscle size. Sh*t unless you are just an abnormality then it won't get you much period.
03-28-2005, 04:48 PM
370 is fearsome, I couldn't let myself go that far though... One of the guys I train with has a world bench press record, he's like 30%bf at 300, he's an incredible lifter and a really good guy but I just couldn't live with myself if I looked like that...Originally Posted by ryansm
03-28-2005, 04:58 PM
I didn't realize how far I let myself go until trying to lose the damn weight. Not fun, but I miss the heavy weight that I could handle at that size. Never again, I'll see what I can do while keeping lower bf% this time, nothing over 15%.
03-28-2005, 05:17 PM
~15% is reasonable man, you should be able to accomplish some good feats of strength. some androgens here and there, learn how to use the gear, pick up a conjugate periodization program designed around strength gains and give it 3 or 4 years time and you should be able to nail a 600+lb bench press as long as your genes aren't as bad as sourinthemind's are good .Originally Posted by ryansm
I almost kind of wish I could just totally let go, not worry so much about the fat. I have been caught in a nasty cycle where I get unhappy with my appearance, lean down to about 14%, get unhappy with the strength loss I am experiencing, and eat back up to near 20% and start all over again. I am making good progress in strength and size but I'd also like to keep between 12-14% most of the time. *shrugs* not a big deal in the end.
03-28-2005, 06:32 PM
Not a big deal. I started focusing more on BB'ing, and I know how you feel about that. But Bobo has given me some help, and we shall see in the future how things go.
03-28-2005, 07:36 PM
Just for the record (and so I don't make TOO many enemies ) I think lifting weights to look better is very cool, and I would not mind dropping 50lbs to be totally shredded, if it wasn't for the fact that it would set me back a year or more in my powerlifting goals. It's bodybuilding competitions and references to bodybuilding as a sport that annoy meOriginally Posted by ryansm
03-28-2005, 07:40 PM
I agree with that entirely, you and I have the same mind frame. I have just decided to take this path, and show some of these BB'ers the Pl'ers are the the best at it.
03-28-2005, 07:46 PM
alright big guy ... its time to throw down .. annoyed by BB competitors eh? ... hope you're hungry .. i got a knuckle sandwich with your name on itOriginally Posted by exnihilo
in all seriousness BB is not a sport .. nothing judged in my mind can be considered a sport
03-28-2005, 07:57 PM
03-29-2005, 01:14 AM
Originally Posted by exnihilo
307...wow...big props to you bro....
For the record I don't oil up (outside of competition), I don't tan, and for goodness sake...I don't prance, LOL. Your comments are fair enough, I know that for me I make great progress year around at this body comp. I will say that when I was heavier strength and size was easier, but in the end the net gains that I brought to the stage were about the same. However, I will also say that everyone should remember that bodyfat % is still just a ratio. And understand that 5% sounds low, and it is...but the body doesn't deal with %'s. It sees lbs of lean or fat. To put it in perspective, my 5% isn't the same as your 5%. For me it is about 12 pounds of fat on my body, if I tripled that to 15%, it wouldn't be good. So, while I think I understand your point of view, I think we should view this kind of debate with a broader lens.
03-29-2005, 01:25 AM
Hehe, don't mind me, I'm just having some fun with you on the whole competitive bodybuilding thing. Gotta send some flak back the other way for all the bodybuilders that call powerlifters fat bastardsOriginally Posted by sourinthemind
03-29-2005, 01:28 AM
03-29-2005, 01:32 AM
03-29-2005, 02:48 AM
but how many girls go OOOOAHH when you tell them you are a powelifer?Originally Posted by exnihilo
Honestly I would rather be a powerlifter, but bencing 365x4 while being 6'1 220 gives me a super unfair advantage compared to the 4'11 midgets that have to move thier arms 3 inches.
03-29-2005, 04:13 AM
You guys are too funny...way off topic, but funny none the less
Oh and LI cardio does jack for me too.
03-29-2005, 10:48 AM
Actually, funny you mention that, though girls I hang with think lean, muscular are hot (at least until you get into mutant freak territory) when you mention bodybuilding the response is typically along the lines "you mean those guys who get all oiled up and pose for people? Aren't they all gay?" or something along the lines of not liking their men prettier than they are. OTOH, when I talk about powerlifting (after explaining that it's not strongman) I usually get at least a little feigned interest Now a lot of the girls I know think the strongman thing is TOTALLY cool (though still not as cool as football), I'd definately get points if I did that instead.Originally Posted by BOHICA
As far as having a disadvantage in powerlifting compared to guys who are built to bench, there are a decent number of guys who are fairly lean, have medium/long arms and bench near 700, it's all about how you train, getting a good shirt that fits properly and learning to use it right. The top guys in the sport are getting 150-200lbs out of their shirt, your raw bench is probably about 400 you should be able to hit 500 shirted within a year or so and 600 within three years if you do everything just ri ght and your genetics cooperate. Just FYI the world record in the 220s right now is 716 I believe...
03-29-2005, 09:13 PM
All the years I have bb, I have never put a power shirt on. I kind'a want to now. Just to see if I can hang with the PL boys...Judging by your insights exnihilo, I should hit somewhere around 600 lbs plus. Hold it....I don't bench.....LOL.....
03-29-2005, 09:14 PM
03-29-2005, 09:40 PM
low intensity is better then none
but burning the equivalent of an apple to wake up early and feel like **** is not worth it
diet is and will always be king
cardio if its fun helps- if it pisses you off or is too much of a drag- chances are youll feel so ****e youll probably need a pick me up (food) sooner before later
p.s Trav your avatar is on point man
03-29-2005, 10:37 PM
When you first put the shirt on you won't get anything out of it. You have to learn to use the shirt (if you are a pec bencher that means totally changing your bench form, which can put your strength in the gutter at first). Just for reference I started PLing with a raw max of ~395 on the bench, and got about 30 pounds out of a shirt. After totally re-learning form (my raw max dropped to ~315) and fixing my weak points I get ~70lbs out of a single ply shirt and as I improve my tricep strength and work on being really explosive, and switch to a double ply shirt in the near future I will probably get ~110 or so out of it.Originally Posted by sourinthemind
As big as you are though if you're willing to re-learn bench form, train westside style and learn to use the shirt rather than complain about them, I'm sure after a year or so you could do 600 and probably 700 eventually. A lot of guys in PL don't aggresively take advantage of the shirt, it's your friend learn to love it.
For reference, our strongest raw guy does 4 plates and 40lbs of chain on each side for a single, and his max contest bench at this point is 633 I think - he really knows how to use a shirt and his technique is awesome, with just incredible speed. Our second strongest raw guy hit 315 for 22 reps and does 365 for 8 no big deal but his contest best bench is like 520something, because he comes from a bodybuilding background so he doesn't have the tricep strength or speed to lock out the big weights, which is why there is a ~110lb difference between the two when their raw bench is within ~20lbs. my raw bench right now is about 415, and I'm on target to hit a 501lb bench at my next meet in a few weeks - our bodybuilder bencher did his 520ish in a double ply denim shirt, and I'm going to come within 20lbs of that with a single ply poly shirt and a raw bench that is probably 50-60lbs lower than his. There is a lot of technique to PL, you can tell that someone doesn't understand at all when they think PL is just brute force or they think they can just slap on a shirt and instantly add 100+ lbs to their bench
03-29-2005, 10:40 PM
I would love to PL, but my body isn't built quite right for it. My arms move so far to bench, that it shocks people when I can put get 365x4... even me.
03-29-2005, 10:53 PM
Originally Posted by sourinthemind
Props to you! 240 at 6' tall and 5% year round very impressive.
Would love to see a pic.
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