How long have you been at 1700 cals. You may need to bump them SLOWLY, and then work your way back down using some of the advice of the others.Originally Posted by scott72
I've been there for quite a while. I am taking the advice and bumping it up to 2000 for a few weeks. I'm also writing everything down to make sure I'm where I need to be. (macros and all) I think I've been sneaking a few too any cals in. I'm pretty good about no carbs at night. The diet is pretty clean, I just think I was taking in too many.Originally Posted by ryansm
The thing that really made a difference for me in getting lean as hell (Long ago when I cared about such things over strength, we're talking me @ 190 here folks ) was massive amounts of daily activity. I was probably walking about 15 miles a day when I got really really lean. I was down around 8-9% bodyfat, and the diet wasn't all that "in check" at all - though I did get really really weak.
Wow I did a bodyfat check this morning with calipers and it showed 13.8%. I'm convinced now that I was definitely sneaking too many cals in. Writing down everything I consumed told the story. I also took some good advice and started eating 6 meals a day instead of 4. My weight dropped hard to 166. I was 173 a week ago.
Honestly bros...I maintain 5% year around. It is not just one thing or another. I have worked with so many people and they all say some of these same things. I am not trying to be too critical here, but if you are under 30 years old and you are telling me you have tried everything then I don't believe you. What it takes to have 5% for me is different than what it may take for you to have 5%. Here are the factors: LBM (this is by far the most important), genetic pre-disposition, diet, activity level and of course extraineous hormonal abnormailities (i.e. durg use or hormone issues). So what this is really outlining is "lifestyle." I know you all have probably heard this or may even preach this to others, but most people just aren't educated enough on there own body chemistry to know what there own lifestyle is doing to there physique.
I presume that you have no aspirations to gain any significant amount of size or strength?Originally Posted by sourinthemind
What!? Of course I do. However, I will say it really depends on what you mean by significant. I don't plan on adding 40-50 lbs of water weight and blubber that I just have to take off my body come show time. It has been my experience that, even when I have tried the bulk up style of str/size gaining (wich I did for several years mind you), I still net out the same LBM gains come stage time. Also, I really don't feel the need to train for str by gaining lots of water and fat. But then again, I am not a powerlifter. I assume you are?Originally Posted by exnihilo
Oooh, and BTW...I have been 280lbs before and I am 6" shorter Bra! I am not trying to rub it in, just let you know that I have had weight experience on both side of the coin, the leaner and chubier...both have their pluses and minuses.
I really don't feel like getting into a long winded debate, not in the mood. Suffice to say, barring kovacs style never ending super cycles or mutant alien genetics nobody is going to stay at 5% and still make good progress. If you want to get super lean and prance about oiled up with a fake tan in underwear that's a lifestyle choice man , and I respect your decision (even if I don't consider it a legitimate sport per se, more of a mixture between a freakshow and a beauty pagent ). If you fit into one of the above mentioned categories and are still gaining size and strength at a reasonable rate at 5%, more power to you, you should have some good success at the bodybuilding thing. I made the comment because for 99.999 percent of the people, it is true - if you are in the .001 you should feel lucky man.Originally Posted by sourinthemind
Oh, just for the record I'm about 307 right now btw
307, that's it
I have also been at both sides of the spectrum. I am a former pwerlifter, and at my heaviest I was 370, mind you I was strong as hell, but my bf% was not something to be proud of.
5% year round is not going to net any massive gains in muscle size. Sh*t unless you are just an abnormality then it won't get you much period.
370 is fearsome, I couldn't let myself go that far though... One of the guys I train with has a world bench press record, he's like 30%bf at 300, he's an incredible lifter and a really good guy but I just couldn't live with myself if I looked like that...Originally Posted by ryansm
I didn't realize how far I let myself go until trying to lose the damn weight. Not fun, but I miss the heavy weight that I could handle at that size. Never again, I'll see what I can do while keeping lower bf% this time, nothing over 15%.
~15% is reasonable man, you should be able to accomplish some good feats of strength. some androgens here and there, learn how to use the gear, pick up a conjugate periodization program designed around strength gains and give it 3 or 4 years time and you should be able to nail a 600+lb bench press as long as your genes aren't as bad as sourinthemind's are good .Originally Posted by ryansm
I almost kind of wish I could just totally let go, not worry so much about the fat. I have been caught in a nasty cycle where I get unhappy with my appearance, lean down to about 14%, get unhappy with the strength loss I am experiencing, and eat back up to near 20% and start all over again. I am making good progress in strength and size but I'd also like to keep between 12-14% most of the time. *shrugs* not a big deal in the end.
Not a big deal. I started focusing more on BB'ing, and I know how you feel about that. But Bobo has given me some help, and we shall see in the future how things go.
Just for the record (and so I don't make TOO many enemies ) I think lifting weights to look better is very cool, and I would not mind dropping 50lbs to be totally shredded, if it wasn't for the fact that it would set me back a year or more in my powerlifting goals. It's bodybuilding competitions and references to bodybuilding as a sport that annoy meOriginally Posted by ryansm
I agree with that entirely, you and I have the same mind frame. I have just decided to take this path, and show some of these BB'ers the Pl'ers are the the best at it.
alright big guy ... its time to throw down .. annoyed by BB competitors eh? ... hope you're hungry .. i got a knuckle sandwich with your name on itOriginally Posted by exnihilo
in all seriousness BB is not a sport .. nothing judged in my mind can be considered a sport
Anyone hear a noise? I could have sworn I heard something...Originally Posted by glenihan
Originally Posted by exnihilo
307...wow...big props to you bro....
For the record I don't oil up (outside of competition), I don't tan, and for goodness sake...I don't prance, LOL. Your comments are fair enough, I know that for me I make great progress year around at this body comp. I will say that when I was heavier strength and size was easier, but in the end the net gains that I brought to the stage were about the same. However, I will also say that everyone should remember that bodyfat % is still just a ratio. And understand that 5% sounds low, and it is...but the body doesn't deal with %'s. It sees lbs of lean or fat. To put it in perspective, my 5% isn't the same as your 5%. For me it is about 12 pounds of fat on my body, if I tripled that to 15%, it wouldn't be good. So, while I think I understand your point of view, I think we should view this kind of debate with a broader lens.
Hehe, don't mind me, I'm just having some fun with you on the whole competitive bodybuilding thing. Gotta send some flak back the other way for all the bodybuilders that call powerlifters fat bastardsOriginally Posted by sourinthemind
Aaa.....a sharp wit but a soft heart..I knew it... I hear ya bro...Originally Posted by exnihilo