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    Why Natty PB before Bed?


    What is the reasoning behind natty PB before bed, why not just take EFA's. Is it because of the extra cals/ fat slowing down protien? Id assume this would be for bulking only, not cutting. Ive alwyas seen PB used before bed and have wondered why.

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    yeah its because it slows down the digestion of the protein.... in theory its better to use another fat source, but peanut butter just tastes so damn good
    its perfectly fine for cutting! just dont overload on omega-6's!
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    Natty almond butter, even better.
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    Olive Oil, Cinnamon, Peanuts, Splenda. Stick in Food Processor and you have the best peanut butter you will ever taste. So fresh, only thing is that its kinda clumpy and not very smooth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BOHICA
    Olive Oil, Cinnamon, Peanuts, Splenda. Stick in Food Processor and you have the best peanut butter you will ever taste. So fresh, only thing is that its kinda clumpy and not very smooth.
    Add more olive oil then. Or blend a little longer.
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    Why Natty PB before Bed?
    Just because it's so freakin' good! IMO peanut butter is the "Staff of Life". The homemade concoctions (Bohica) kick a$$, too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by taffer
    yeah its because it slows down the digestion of the protein....
    No it doesn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobo
    No it doesn't.

    I always operated under the impression that it slows the absorbtion because of it's content. So why not Bobo?
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    The majority of delay when it comes to fats is either

    a) When they are in a solid state and it delays the breakdown of bolus (solid like state) into chyme (semi-liquid) state. With a shake, this process is already complete so that delay is almost nonexistant....Think of red meat and the difference in fats vs. oils.

    b) The emulsification of saturated or transfatty acids within the small intestine. At this point the absortion of amino's is already taking place.

    So in general when your fat amount is about 1-2tblsp within a liquid state already (thanks to your blender) the delay in amino absortion is almost non-existant.

    Whole foods are where fats delay digestion the most. Even then the actual absortion of nutrients (amino's specifically) isn't altered that much. The process of breaking down whole foods and trasnfering them to the lower part of the stomach and into the small intestine is just a much slower process because of its makeup.
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    So in general, people thinkin that adding flax oil or PB to a shake will change the absoriotn from about 15-45 minutes to 3-4 hours are completely wrong.
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    So Bobo are u against fat pre-bed then? WOuld one opt for a slower digesting protein with some mixed veggies be more suitable?
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    No, not at all. There are many benefits EFA's can give before bed. I just don't overload it.
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    I understand why olive oil & flax oil wouldn't slow down digestion, but peanut butter doesn't seem like an oil to me. I mean plain peanut butter btw, not blended in a shake.

    Also, would whole nuts like walnuts & almonds be a good source of fats at bedtime?
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    If its not blended then it would delay digestion some but its nothing like fats found in red meats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BOHICA
    Olive Oil, Cinnamon, Peanuts, Splenda. Stick in Food Processor and you have the best peanut butter you will ever taste. So fresh, only thing is that its kinda clumpy and not very smooth.
    Blend you peanuts first until they are the consistancy you want, and the rest of the dry ingredients, blend again to mix, and then add the olive oil last.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobo
    No it doesn't.
    DAMNIT for once I wanted to be the one to make a three letter sentence that had some damn fact to it. But the clown always beats me to it!
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    So throwing some natty into a post w/o shake wouldnt hurt for xtra protein and flavor?
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    nope.. its just extra calories.. if you want them its fine.. I believe it does lower overall meal GI. i read that in glucose revolution, but it wouldnt change it much at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scott72
    So throwing some natty into a post w/o shake wouldnt hurt for xtra protein and flavor?
    I'm far from an expert on the subject, but from my knowledge, slowing digestion isn't the reason people avoid fats post workout. You avoid fats pwo because when you're getting a huge insulin spike, you don't need to add fat to the mix(unless you want to get fat).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobo
    If its not blended then it would delay digestion some but its nothing like fats found in red meats.
    Is this particularly read meat or all solid saturated fat? Like maybe 2% or 4% cottage cheese?

    What about fiber? Would it delay digestion more or less than red meat?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moyer
    I'm far from an expert on the subject, but from my knowledge, slowing digestion isn't the reason people avoid fats post workout. You avoid fats pwo because when you're getting a huge insulin spike, you don't need to add fat to the mix(unless you want to get fat).
    Yeah that makes sense I guess. Combining fats with all those carbs prob is a recipe for fatness. I suppose you could do it in your morning shake without hurting anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moyer
    Is this particularly read meat or all solid saturated fat? Like maybe 2% or 4% cottage cheese?
    bump to that question, i eat 3% cottage cheese before bed with my PB, would this slow digestion much?

    also bobo, when you say "dont go overboard" what is "overboard"
    i have 19g of fat pre-bed (i have most of my EFA's in my last 2 meals)
    although i REALLY enjoy my 30g of PB at night, its just so damn tasty!
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    I wouldn't go over 10-15g personally. And that is right before bed.


    Red meat (unless the fat has been taken out like with low fat ground) will always delay digestion much more than any fiber will. Fiber delays disgestion once in the small intestine. It also depends on the makeup of fiber. Soluble/Insoluble have completly different actions. One speeds up the GI tract while one delays it. Red Meat with mod to high fat content delays digestion within the stomach. It will DEFINETLY take longer to digest. Saturated fats in general will take longer to breakdown in the small intestine due to chemical strucuture. In high amounts this can be as high as 6-9 hours.
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    psyillium = slower digestion
    Fiber One = quicker digestion?????? Or do I have those backwards??? It's early....I haven't had my ALCAR yet.
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    Are you still waiting for the answer to choose your fiber, SJA?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moyer
    I'm far from an expert on the subject, but from my knowledge, slowing digestion isn't the reason people avoid fats post workout. You avoid fats pwo because when you're getting a huge insulin spike, you don't need to add fat to the mix(unless you want to get fat).
    Both are valid reasons. Fat is a 'slow' energy source and the reasoning is that during or after intense exercise you need a 'fast' source like carbs.

    Yes adding fats to a high calorie/high carb PWO shake can lead to fat gain but that is as much from the added calories as from the presence of fat itself. If you keep the same amount of calories but replace some of the carbs with fat, the difference will be much less. Don't lose sight of total calories.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobo
    If its not blended then it would delay digestion some but its nothing like fats found in red meats.
    So waiting to have my steak until bed time is ok?


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    Especially before bed, a lean-cut of beef would be an excellent choice for a meal. If you can handle having a steak in your stomach before you sleep. The only problem is that when your body gets a solid chunk of protein (especially red meat) your body will tend to produces a lot more HCL and pepsinogen (further transduced to pepsin) to help break it down. In some people who have lower esophageal sphincter problems this is a concern because of GERD (Gastroespohageal Reflux Dirsorder).
    I get heartburn especially after a high protein meal and it is only made worse by being prone or supine. I have found that if i want to eat a good meat before bed that ill take some papaya extract. It has papain in it (peptidase) and will help break down the protein into a more usable form. This might help compensate for your bodies production of enzymes and acids.

    The ultimate meal that I have found for at night is

    1/2 can of albacore tuna
    1/2 cup of 2% low-fat cottage cheese
    3g of CLA
    2g of Fish body oils (mainly O-3's)

    That is what has worked for me.
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    Especially before bed, a lean-cut of beef would be an excellent choice for a meal. If you can handle having a steak in your stomach before you sleep. The only problem is that when your body gets a solid chunk of protein (especially red meat) your body will tend to produces a lot more HCL and pepsinogen (further transduced to pepsin) to help break it down. In some people who have lower esophageal sphincter problems this is a concern because of GERD (Gastroespohageal Reflux Dirsorder).
    I get heartburn especially after a high protein meal and it is only made worse by being prone or supine. I have found that if i want to eat a good meat before bed that ill take some papaya extract. It has papain in it (peptidase) and will help break down the protein into a more usable form. This might help compensate for your bodies production of enzymes and acids.

    The ultimate meal that I have found for at night is

    1/2 can of albacore tuna
    1/2 cup of 2% low-fat cottage cheese
    3g of CLA
    2g of Fish body oils (mainly O-3's)

    That is what has worked for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grunt76
    Are you still waiting for the answer to choose your fiber, SJA?

    Still waiting I haven't crapped in a year.....what now??
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