Keto Diet poll

[TheCrownedOne]

Pretty straightforward: which diet has produced the most solid fat loss in the shortest amount of time while preserving or increasing muscle in your experience - TKD, CKD, or full blown long term keto (i.e. no carb-ups)?

[Cosmo]

not sure if this fits in with CKD or not but i find the Animalbolics way of carb only after resistance training very beneficial for muscle preservation with good fat loss as long as you have a good idea of how many carbs you need postworkout to just replenish glycogen stores

[TheCrownedOne]

From what I've read, Cosmo, that's a Timed Ketogenic Diet.

[Cosmo]

Ah, thats me then. Thanks

[Bouncer79]

It really depends on what your goals are.

For the BBer, a protein-sparing CKD is by far the best way to go.

For someone who say has to make weight for a sport, a TKD (Targetted ketogenic Diet) may proove to be more optimal. Not reccommended for the regualr lifter who is just cutting because there is more risk of muscle loss albeit small.

The SKD (standard ketogenic diet) is just assinine. This WILL CAUSE MUSCLE LOSS. This is the worst option for anyone who is a BBer or really trains well in the gym. For the obese person, this would be a good option for the initial 4-6 weeks, but carbs are a must for muscle glycogen. People are more uneducated when they say "I just want to lose fat and dont care about muscle". They don't realize that the mroe LBM a person has the more calories he/she will burn throughout a day.

[Dwight Schrute]

Neither.

They all are extremely overrated.

[DieTrying]

i would say a high/mod carb diet

[Lean One]

Neither.

They all are extremely overrated.

Agreed.

[Irongame]

Agreed.

So what kind of diet do you recommend then? 40-40-20?

[Lean One]

So what kind of diet do you recommend then? 40-40-20?

That's a decent place to start.

[houseman]

It depends on your goals, your body and your experience level in my opinion.

A blanket statement is really helpful. Competitors follow a myraid of nutritional strategies for their contest prep. Some of them do moderate carb/protein and low fat. Some do high protein, low carb and moderate fat, some do high carb, moderate protein and low fat. Some do isocaloric. So obviously there are several ways to skin a cat. Let's not try to delude people into thinking there's only one way to accomplish something.

Just the same as some can get into contest shape without any cardio while others do cardio.

The key, in my opinion, is understanding of your body to accomplish your goals.

[Dwight Schrute]

So what kind of diet do you recommend then? 40-40-20?

Yes. I have had better results with 99% of my clients with this type of diet than any other. Most of my clients are former low carb advocates that swore up and down that low carb was the way to go. I've trained one of the MODS at C-K-D.com and he will never go back to low carb again. He was one of those guys that swore up and down that his metabolism wouldn't allow him to consume a good amount of carbs. Well after 16 weeks he was leaner than he ever was before while maintaining all of his LBM and strength.

So to answer the original question, no diet has "increased" fat loss over the other. Fat loss is very long process and is not increased by simply reducing carbs. Weight loss could be increased from the loss of glycogen and water but actual fat loss is not increased and during times of single bf% could actually be decreased due to the hormonal responses the body will have due to carb restriction. However LBM loss over a prolonged peroid of time is increased with carb restriction. So if you are not one of genetically elite then start your decision making by choosing a diet that has been proven time and time again at working and that is more of a high protein carb based diet. 99% of competitive bodybuilders alsways use a carb based diet and slowly restrict overall calories over time. The low carb phase is for the last week or two can help with decreasing sub'q water and preparing the body for supercompensation come contest time.

[TheCrownedOne]

By the way, if you're going to go with the ratio way of dieting, this site: http://www.nutritiondata.com/ has a function under the 'Tools' tab at the top left that allows you to search every food known (pretty much) by their ratio. They also have an abundance of other useful tools and information for the practicing dieter.

[-2z-]

Neither.

They all are extremely overrated.

A-men.

[oh-honey]

i dont know the difference between the 3. someone enlighten me please

[Lean One]

i dont know the difference between the 3. someone enlighten me please

Enlighten yourself.
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/search.php

[oh-honey]

thanks, nice one

Enlighten yourself.
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/search.php?

[Lean One]

thanks, nice one

Glad to be of help.

[AldrichAStern]

I don't think that CKD is overrated in the least bit... A majority of people on CKD end up either maintaining all of their muscle mass, if not building muscle -- while losing the standard 1-2 lbs a week. I don't think that 40/40/20 has that kind of a record. To each his own I guess. The caloric deficit is and will always be the most important thing... so if a diet works better for some people more than others in terms of muscle preservation and fatloss, I see no way that it can be overrated.

Whatever you all are thinking of as overrated is probably a CKD full of crap carbups and high processed foods.

[Dwight Schrute]

I don't think that 40/40/20 has that kind of a record.

You are right. It has a better one. Just ask the majority of competitive bodybuilders.