[jimbuick]

ECA will definitely be king.


Although, if you really are opposed to it then PES Alphamine has gotten very good reviews (although I have yet to use it personally)

[southpaw23]

eh i dont want to go with eca due to some of reviews and stuff i seen. I dont want to go with that route yet. My bp is usually around 107. Its very good. So any stim or non stim fat burner is fine. Sense there is so many of them with so many reviews, I want to know which one worked the best.

Trust me, not a rep, not a shill, just a consumer like you. I've tried so many stim based fatburners that I'm in a good position to compare and recommend one to you. The way I utilize these products, is that I take them first thing in the morning upon waking, then perform fasted cardio for an hour. I normally use these types of products anywhere from 2-3 months at a time, so for comparison purposes I can effectively gauge which ones truly burn fat, as opposed to just offering stim energy. A lot of these so-called fatburners don't burn fat, what they do is just provide energy, but that is all they do. A product like Alphamine provides energy however, it also creates an environment where if you put in the work (for me 3-4 times a week fasted cardio), the results are rapid and dramatic. Not blowing smoke, it's literally that good.

[onemorerep22]

i will def look into that one then, thanks for the advice. ECA stack has me interested but i see so many conflicting reviews on how its good/not good for you. CAn you guys bring any insight into that?

[stxnas]

http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/p...elite-pro.html

I ran the Get Up and Go Stack last year when I had hit a plateau. It helped a lot in a short time, but I had to stop after three weeks due to extreme lethargy (I'm guessing adrenal fatigue, but I'm not sure). I don't know how to get similar results with this stack while avoiding the lethargy. If I can figure that out, I will run it again.

[onemorerep22]

yeah i was thinking about buying oxy elite pro cause i can get it at my local vitamin shop for pretty cheap

[CJ_Xfit89]

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Alphamine, BPS combustion, ECA, new PX black (read write up-super good profile)

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Aav2, vanillean, GCE, green tea, RK, TTA, forskollin

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[stxnas]

A buddy of mine swears by it. I know he likes 1,3 Dimeth a lot, though. He was always swiping Motivate from me.

[ITW]

Trust me, not a rep, not a shill, just a consumer like you. I've tried so many stim based fatburners that I'm in a good position to compare and recommend one to you. The way I utilize these products, is that I take them first thing in the morning upon waking, then perform fasted cardio for an hour. I normally use these types of products anywhere from 2-3 months at a time, so for comparison purposes I can effectively gauge which ones truly burn fat, as opposed to just offering stim energy. A lot of these so-called fatburners don't burn fat, what they do is just provide energy, but that is all they do. A product like Alphamine provides energy however, it also creates an environment where if you put in the work (for me 3-4 times a week fasted cardio), the results are rapid and dramatic. Not blowing smoke, it's literally that good.

Did you run alphamine everyday or only on days when you did your fasted cardio?

[southpaw23]

Did you run alphamine everyday or only on days when you did your fasted cardio?

I'd take it every morning, prior to cardio and again the results within even three weeks were crazy. I didn't even take the second serving in the afternoon, like they recommend. I was surprised at how good this stuff worked and just how rapidly it produced results. My friends all use it now, and that's not hype or exaggeration. Many products in this category produce energy, many of them also fail to burn fat at least on par with Alphamine based on my observations.

[onemorerep22]

southpaw how do you compare it to eca, or oxy elite pro?

[southpaw23]

southpaw how do you compare it to eca, or oxy elite pro?

I haven't tried ECA yet, although my friends have, quite a few of them actually, in comparison to my results on Alphamine vs theirs on ECA, the results weren't close at all. Alphamine produced much better results. That's just my personal observation. In comparison to the OG version of Oxy Elite Pro (which I ran for two months), again Alphamine produced significant results much faster. OG Oxy however, is a nice stim, although the duration of energy/stim is short and I crashed on it.

[stxnas]

Interesting to hear that, thanks.

[onemorerep22]

thanks man. i think i will go with alphamine and go from there.

[southpaw23]

thanks man. i think i will go with alphamine and go from there.

Welcome. Trust me you won't be disappointed. Just make sure your diet is fairly on track, even with me eating the occasional cold stone ice cream (I have the heart of a fat kid) it still produced rapid and measurable results within a month, much faster than anything else I've ever taken. If you take it prior to fasted cardio 3-4 times a week you should be good to go.

[stxnas]

I don't care what anybody says about fasted cardio. It's always done wonders for me in regards to weight loss and energy. Granted I usually drink BCAAs just before and during, so I'm not sure if that is technically considered fasted.

[jimbuick]

Fasted cardio has no.measurable benefit for fat loss over fed state cardio (that I am aware of, if you have any evidence id be interested in seeing it)

In fact, HIIT has been shown to be much more effective than LISS and has a host of other benefits as far as body composition is concerned

[stxnas]

I do HIIT when I do my fasted cardio (seriously. not being a smartass).

Also, is it technically fasted if I'm taking BCAAs just before and during?

[southpaw23]

I don't care what anybody says about fasted cardio. It's always done wonders for me in regards to weight loss and energy. Granted I usually drink BCAAs just before and during, so I'm not sure if that is technically considered fasted.

I'd take two scoops of Alphamine before cardio with nothing else (including BCAA's) and I didn't lose any muscle. In fact even after the first month my arms, shoulders, back appeared bigger. My friends even commented with the same sentiments.

[stxnas]

Why no BCAAs?

[jimbuick]

I do HIIT when I do my fasted cardio (seriously. not being a smartass).

Also, is it technically fasted if I'm taking BCAAs just before and during?

HIIT should be treated like a lifting session, it is generally better for you to have something small to eat prior. ZiR.Red recommends something like half an apple and a small amount of protein, ~20g, to get the most out of it.

That way you can achieve maximal force production.

BCAAs won't be enough calories to break your fast.

[jimbuick]

I'd take two scoops of Alphamine before cardio with nothing else (including BCAA's) and I didn't lose any muscle. In fact even after the first month my arms, shoulders, back appeared bigger. My friends even commented with the same sentiments.

Leaning out will make you appear larger because of the increased definition but it doesn't mean you are getting any bigger. It's kind of like an optic illusion.

[stxnas]

HIIT should be treated like a lifting session, it is generally better for you to have something small to eat prior. ZiR.Red recommends something like half an apple and a small amount of protein, ~20g, to get the most out of it.

That way you can achieve maximal force production.

BCAAs won't be enough calories to break your fast.

That's not too much, so I could see myself trying that.

[southpaw23]

Why no BCAAs?

To be honest, I don't really over think this stuff man. I sip on an Intra mix (Compete) during my run and my results have been spectacular.

[jimbuick]

To be honest, I don't really over think this stuff man. I sip on a BCAA mix (Compete) during my run and my results have been spectacular.

Compete doesn't have BCAAs. It's a good intra but no BCAAs, has whey protein hydrolysate IIRC.

[southpaw23]

Leaning out will make you appear larger because of the increased definition but it doesn't mean you are getting any bigger. It's kind of like an optic illusion.

I hear you, which is why I used the word "appeared" and my friends commented on the same. So I take that for whatever it's worth. All I know is compared to other products that I've taken in this category, the results weren't nearly close compared to what I achieved on Alphamine.