Fat burners???

[jimbuick]

Fasted cardio has no.measurable benefit for fat loss over fed state cardio (that I am aware of, if you have any evidence id be interested in seeing it)

In fact, HIIT has been shown to be much more effective than LISS and has a host of other benefits as far as body composition is concerned

[stxnas]

I do HIIT when I do my fasted cardio (seriously. not being a smartass).

Also, is it technically fasted if I'm taking BCAAs just before and during?

[southpaw23]

I don't care what anybody says about fasted cardio. It's always done wonders for me in regards to weight loss and energy. Granted I usually drink BCAAs just before and during, so I'm not sure if that is technically considered fasted.

I'd take two scoops of Alphamine before cardio with nothing else (including BCAA's) and I didn't lose any muscle. In fact even after the first month my arms, shoulders, back appeared bigger. My friends even commented with the same sentiments.

[stxnas]

Why no BCAAs?

[jimbuick]

I do HIIT when I do my fasted cardio (seriously. not being a smartass).

Also, is it technically fasted if I'm taking BCAAs just before and during?

HIIT should be treated like a lifting session, it is generally better for you to have something small to eat prior. ZiR.Red recommends something like half an apple and a small amount of protein, ~20g, to get the most out of it.

That way you can achieve maximal force production.

BCAAs won't be enough calories to break your fast.

[jimbuick]

I'd take two scoops of Alphamine before cardio with nothing else (including BCAA's) and I didn't lose any muscle. In fact even after the first month my arms, shoulders, back appeared bigger. My friends even commented with the same sentiments.

Leaning out will make you appear larger because of the increased definition but it doesn't mean you are getting any bigger. It's kind of like an optic illusion.

[stxnas]

HIIT should be treated like a lifting session, it is generally better for you to have something small to eat prior. ZiR.Red recommends something like half an apple and a small amount of protein, ~20g, to get the most out of it.

That way you can achieve maximal force production.

BCAAs won't be enough calories to break your fast.

That's not too much, so I could see myself trying that.

[southpaw23]

Why no BCAAs?

To be honest, I don't really over think this stuff man. I sip on an Intra mix (Compete) during my run and my results have been spectacular.

[jimbuick]

To be honest, I don't really over think this stuff man. I sip on a BCAA mix (Compete) during my run and my results have been spectacular.

Compete doesn't have BCAAs. It's a good intra but no BCAAs, has whey protein hydrolysate IIRC.

[southpaw23]

Leaning out will make you appear larger because of the increased definition but it doesn't mean you are getting any bigger. It's kind of like an optic illusion.

I hear you, which is why I used the word "appeared" and my friends commented on the same. So I take that for whatever it's worth. All I know is compared to other products that I've taken in this category, the results weren't nearly close compared to what I achieved on Alphamine.

[southpaw23]

Compete doesn't have BCAAs. It's a good intra but no BCAAs, has whey protein hydrolysate IIRC.

I know, which is why I stated that I don't over think this stuff and my results have great nevertheless compared to other products I've taken in the past.

[jimbuick]

I know, which is why I stated that I don't over think this stuff and my results have great nevertheless compared to other products I've taken in the past.

If you know it doesn't have BCAAs then why did you call it a BCAA mix

[southpaw23]

If you know it doesn't have BCAAs then why did you call it a BCAA mix

:/ Because it's close to midnight and I'm exhausted (long day), and basically who gives a ****.

[onemorerep22]

just ordered alphamine for 29 bucks. good deal.

[Buffspartan]

just ordered alphamine for 29 bucks. good deal.

I second that!!! From what I've read alphamine has awesome muscle preserving properties meaning you can go harder on your cutting diet without fearing muscle loss! Plus people are reporting results similar to an ECA stack! So excited for mine to come in the mail. I do a lot of research before I buy a product and alphamine seems like your absolute best bet.

[boogyman]

Alphamine is the real deal. I would put its fat burning properties equal to ECA (for me anyhow), but the extra ingredients for muscle preservation are what makes it a winner. I used it on a recomp when it first came out, had a really sloppy diet due to some personal issues and not having much time to prepare food, and still leaned out while gaining strength at about the same clip I was on a lean bulk.

It also really helps with appetite during fasting periods and tastes pretty good. Looking forward to a nice 3 month long run of it next month for a cut.

[machorox123]

formutech's lean efx refined or natural efx would do the job nicely.

I can second this





Heres my results.