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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasGuy View Post
    Edit: In response to Jiggz (wrong reply button):

    Regarding the hamburger issue, DistilledWater is right on point. As I've said, one diets cornerstone is anothers tombstone, acknowledging they all work as I've blatantly stated many times across the IF discussions and others. This includes traditional bodybuilding diets of frequent, high protein meals. You can not discount entirely empirical evidence with such far reaching and consistent results even if some white coats haven't summarized them explicitly.

    Do bodybuilders work harder than powerlifters? No. Are their routines designed to take advantage of the physiological effects weight training has on the body differently? Yes. Bodybuilding routines are geared to maximize muscle damage where protein is ingested for repair as opposed to largely neural adaptations, though there is crossover and more to it than simply muscle damage, of course.

    And great for the guy experiencing results with small amounts of protein! I wish my grocery bill could look like his but when i consume noticeably less amounts of protein than usual, I absolutely notice slowed recovery leading to performance drawbacks. The thing about empirical evidence is that majority rules, kinda like statistics. As far as pissing it out, the greater muscle damage and hormonal response of a bodybuilding routine over study controls is a limiting factor. Until studies are done on legitimate bodybuilders comparing protein intake to results there is no "book" to throw.

    I'm sure I could make gains on less, but they would definitely come slower.

    My response to eating "bad" foods stands. Regarding diet in general as the topic was concerned, apples to apples, steak, a salad and sweet potatoes will win over a ground up ****ty cut of meat, simple carbs and limited micros all day. Eliminating whole, nutrient rich foods for supps largely eliminates various phytochemical benefits and synergistic reactions beneficial to the body and its silly to stand up for crappy food by suggesting supps to make it ok. As far as gatorade is concerned, the original discussion point was a general diet, not a use for gatorade during an intense physical exertion where simple sugars can be beneficial. Your premise here is apples to oranges.
    Well said. I don't think anyone (well at least I wasn't) was denying that the method you follow does not work, but it is just one means to an end, not the end in itself. That was basically my enitre point on the subject. What works for one, may not work for another. I think what the others were implying is that you do not have to eat X amount of meals in X amount of time and it is possible to achieve goals without specifically timing anything considering the body has tremendous capacity to store Carbs, Amino acids and FFA's and can utilize them dependant on the situation.

    And by no means do I encourage a 'sh***y' diet with minimal micros from food sources; I always ensure everyone I talk to increases vegetables, fruits etc. etc. for all the benefits you mentioned. That wasn't the intention of my post haha, just one side of a very complex story.
    I was merely stating that it is still possible to decrease weight by eating less even if someones food choices leave alot to be desired.

    Total calories> Meal Compostition for weight loss strategies but understanding how important the diet is in relation to health (a seperate issue to weight loss) will require a greater knowledge of meal compostiton and eating "clean". Hope this clears up what I meant.

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    I think its really a tricky subject when it comes to weight loss. I mean its hard to get the weight off
    but its even harder to KEEP it off. I think it really can be a tricky subject its all about the stuff you eat
    if your diet is crappy then your going to have a tough time losing the weight. That's the bottom line
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post
    Total calories> Meal Compostition for weight loss strategies but understanding how important the diet is in relation to health (a seperate issue to weight loss) will require a greater knowledge of meal compostiton and eating "clean". Hope this clears up what I meant.
    I can agree with this.

    Macronutrients are not a substitute for real food (edible plants and animals)

    One problem with your post is the word "clean". As I said before, this is highly subjective. Example, to me bacon, butter, fatty cuts of meat, white rice, would be clean eating and whole wheat pasta, brown rice, etc dirty eating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post
    Well said. I don't think anyone (well at least I wasn't) was denying that the method you follow does not work, but it is just one means to an end, not the end in itself. That was basically my enitre point on the subject. What works for one, may not work for another. I think what the others were implying is that you do not have to eat X amount of meals in X amount of time and it is possible to achieve goals without specifically timing anything considering the body has tremendous capacity to store Carbs, Amino acids and FFA's and can utilize them dependant on the situation.

    And by no means do I encourage a 'sh***y' diet with minimal micros from food sources; I always ensure everyone I talk to increases vegetables, fruits etc. etc. for all the benefits you mentioned. That wasn't the intention of my post haha, just one side of a very complex story.
    I was merely stating that it is still possible to decrease weight by eating less even if someones food choices leave alot to be desired.

    Total calories> Meal Compostition for weight loss strategies but understanding how important the diet is in relation to health (a seperate issue to weight loss) will require a greater knowledge of meal compostiton and eating "clean". Hope this clears up what I meant.
    It has been a schizophrenic discussion across multiple threads with various tangents and rabbit holes.

    The originating comment is in a topic titled "Meals" under the bulk forum where a guy was having trouble meeting daily macros on his chosen diet plan and it was implied he skip breakfast. This began a defense of IF diets with other strategies being questioned or disregarded altogether and continued on across the board, often out of context anyways.

    I've acknowledged and realize various diets work all along though not in every post so I'm sure picking up a few posts here and there has not given the clearest notion.

    Hopefully we can all move along to the next controversial topic happy we are each hitting our goals, however we are best able.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    I can agree with this.

    Macronutrients are not a substitute for real food (edible plants and animals)

    One problem with your post is the word "clean". As I said before, this is highly subjective. Example, to me bacon, butter, fatty cuts of meat, white rice, would be clean eating and whole wheat pasta, brown rice, etc dirty eating.
    Hence the quotations , I'm not even sure if I understand the term anymore; does it mean more micronutrient dense foods? Or just foods people perceive as being "better?" Because people percieve Kumara (sweet potato) as being the "clean" version for white potato, but I beg to differ.

    But thats another topic for another day haha
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    Jigz, I just ate about 2lbs combined worth of both post workout (Christmas eve dinner with mi madre)

    I figure, I'll eat both and let them decide who's best. I shall call it "food Darwinism" :-D
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleGauge1 View Post
    I think its really a tricky subject when it comes to weight loss. I mean its hard to get the weight off
    but its even harder to KEEP it off. I think it really can be a tricky subject its all about the stuff you eat
    if your diet is crappy then your going to have a tough time losing the weight. That's the bottom line
    Keeping weight off should be easier than losing weight since you can eat closer to caloric maintenance (as opposed to blatantly disrupting homeostasis).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water View Post
    Jigz, I just ate about 2lbs combined worth of both post workout (Christmas eve dinner with mi madre)

    I figure, I'll eat both and let them decide who's best. I shall call it "food Darwinism" :-D
    Haha is it only christmas eve there? Its the end of christmas day here, so have a merry christmas

    The thing I love about christmas is that I don't have to worry about my protein intake... Ham, Turkey, Chicken and Lamb all in abundance. Gotta love it
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    To sum up.....follow whatever strategy you want for fat loss as long as you don't violate the calorie defecit principle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleGauge1 View Post
    I'm trying to lose a good 10 pounds what the quickest and easiest way to do this?
    Question is why have you gained 10lbs in the first place?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomahawk88 View Post
    I am Carb Back Loading and dont care about calories.

    My problem with the suggestion of eating "clean" is that it is possibly the reason why people are failing on their weight loss goals. Not to mention the potential rebound effect of just restricting calories.
    My take exactly. I ate "clean" my entire life, whole wheat pasta, whole wheat rice, chicken, no fat, no nothing, always had extra fat and couldn't bulk to save my life. Tried out Keto diet and bam, everything changed. I react extremely bad to carbs. In many different ways, I get bloated, I stock up fat, I can't seem to lose the weight, I overeat, if there's a problem, you name it, besides, I always hated that kind of food.

    Changed it up after reading "The Anabolic Diet" and everything was just peachy, switched to foods I actually enjoy eating, my blood work has never been better, so many different improvements in my overall life. I am able to be at lower % of BF and still increase strength and weight, something I was never able to accomplish before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    I can agree with this.

    Macronutrients are not a substitute for real food (edible plants and animals)

    One problem with your post is the word "clean". As I said before, this is highly subjective. Example, to me bacon, butter, fatty cuts of meat, white rice, would be clean eating and whole wheat pasta, brown rice, etc dirty eating.
    At risk of ruining christmas spirit, I'm assuming by macronutrients you meant supplements? Because both whole foods and supps provide macronutrients...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasGuy View Post
    At risk of ruining christmas spirit, I'm assuming by macronutrients you meant supplements? Because both whole foods and supps provide macronutrients...
    Macronutrients = Protein, carbohydrates and fats.

    When I said, "macronutrients are not a substitute for real food (edible plants and animals)", I was referring to “nutritionism” which is the idea that a collections of nutrients can be a suitable replacement natural foods.
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    I think if i follow my routine there shouldn't be a problem with keeping the weight off at all. I think I just
    need to follow my HIIT routines and hit them 5 times per week as well as lift at least 3 times per week a
    and make sure that I am eating wisely and the weight should come right off! That's the plan
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    In general, weight should stay the same regardless if you go to the gym or not. Hormones are a big part of weight regulation. If weight goes up for "no appearent reason" then it's time to worry. It's either a hormonal imbalance or you are eating a diet rich in carbohydrates which the body stores as energy in the form of fat.
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    I think that the tricky thing to monitor is your metabolism. There are different ways to kickstart your metabolism
    and they are quick and easy fixes. I think adding cayenne pepper to your foods speeds up your metabolism as well
    as adding cinnamon to your diet. You can add cinnamon to your eggs and also to your oats to kick it up a notch
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    Calories in vs calories out workout 3 to 5 days a week cardio on off days dont overcomplicate something so easy. Find a diet u can stick with find one that works for u i loved IF i now do 6 meals a day for bulking, but at the end of the day no ammount of pepper, cinamon etc will help if ur diet and workout program are not on point.
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    So is HIIT for 5 days a week a good idea?? Especially if you're also lifting? I thought 2 days (maybe 3 tops) was the general recommendation, to allow for recovery, etc? Or perhaps it's 5 days HIIT cardio and minimal lifting? Obviously I know pretty little about this stuff so I"ve merely been following this thread and trying to learn......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blingzip View Post
    So is HIIT for 5 days a week a good idea?? Especially if you're also lifting? I thought 2 days (maybe 3 tops) was the general recommendation, to allow for recovery, etc? Or perhaps it's 5 days HIIT cardio and minimal lifting? Obviously I know pretty little about this stuff so I"ve merely been following this thread and trying to learn......
    I would aim for 3 days as opposed to 5. Unless of course, you are specifically training for somethign which uses the HIIT practices; you can attain benefits in 3 sessions per week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post
    I would aim for 3 days as opposed to 5. Unless of course, you are specifically training for somethign which uses the HIIT practices; you can attain benefits in 3 sessions per week.
    This;

    If you want to do cardio 5 times a week, perhaps 3 days of HIIT and 2 days of low intensity longer duration fasted cardio?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blingzip View Post
    So is HIIT for 5 days a week a good idea?? Especially if you're also lifting? I thought 2 days (maybe 3 tops) was the general recommendation, to allow for recovery, etc? Or perhaps it's 5 days HIIT cardio and minimal lifting? Obviously I know pretty little about this stuff so I"ve merely been following this thread and trying to learn......
    Actually your approach is sound. The goal in my opinion is to be thinking about not weight loss but fat loss. Weight loss, one can just starve but it's not practical. Fat loss on the other hand, and this is a more in debt explanation to the PM you sent me, is what to aim for.
    There are a few things to consider:
    1. your body needs to be in hormonal balance. In other words without gym you should be able to maintain the weight at a decent body fat.
    2. By doing too much cardio, the body will adopt after a while and will prompt you to eat more, thus negating the weight loss portion of it.
    3. Resting methabolic rate is the key to fat loss.
    If the body can burn fat most of the day then that's more powerful than cardio itself. Puting a higher resting methabolic rate with cardio is the sweet spot to lose body fat.
    Now, we all have a resting methabolic rate some higher than others. However, if thyroid function is optimal and one builds a substantial amount of muscle along with low insulin those 3 together will easily put the body in a fat burning mode. If the thyroid is below optimal level, fat loss is almost imposible. Ask anybody with thyroid problems and they will tell you.

    About the insulin. Insulin is a weight gain hormone and Glucagon is its antagonist, fat releasing. If cells are insulin impaired and insulin is high all the time, Glucagon is suppressed and fat loss will suffer.
    What Im trying to say is that our bodies is a delicate machine working in balance with all the hormons. If it's out of balance there is no gym or cardio in the world that will give you the results desired if the balance is way off.
    So, my advice is to do a full hormonal panel, glucose tolerance test, thyroid and see where you stand. Then build a diet and exercise program to enhance your phenotype.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bla55 View Post
    This;

    If you want to do cardio 5 times a week, perhaps 3 days of HIIT and 2 days of low intensity longer duration fasted cardio?
    Sounds reasonable to me I guess, doing essentially both types of cardio, allowing for recovery, and still burning calories.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vassille View Post
    Actually your approach is sound. The goal in my opinion is to be thinking about not weight loss but fat loss. Weight loss, one can just starve but it's not practical. Fat loss on the other hand, and this is a more in debt explanation to the PM you sent me, is what to aim for.
    There are a few things to consider:
    1. your body needs to be in hormonal balance. In other words without gym you should be able to maintain the weight at a decent body fat.
    2. By doing too much cardio, the body will adopt after a while and will prompt you to eat more, thus negating the weight loss portion of it.
    3. Resting methabolic rate is the key to fat loss.
    If the body can burn fat most of the day then that's more powerful than cardio itself. Puting a higher resting methabolic rate with cardio is the sweet spot to lose body fat.
    Now, we all have a resting methabolic rate some higher than others. However, if thyroid function is optimal and one builds a substantial amount of muscle along with low insulin those 3 together will easily put the body in a fat burning mode. If the thyroid is below optimal level, fat loss is almost imposible. Ask anybody with thyroid problems and they will tell you.

    About the insulin. Insulin is a weight gain hormone and Glucagon is its antagonist, fat releasing. If cells are insulin impaired and insulin is high all the time, Glucagon is suppressed and fat loss will suffer.
    What Im trying to say is that our bodies is a delicate machine working in balance with all the hormons. If it's out of balance there is no gym or cardio in the world that will give you the results desired if the balance is way off.
    So, my advice is to do a full hormonal panel, glucose tolerance test, thyroid and see where you stand. Then build a diet and exercise program to enhance your phenotype.
    Thanks Vassille. I'll look into those vids. See my follow-up PM.
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    After I use the Trim Down Advanced by Muscle Gauge Nutrition I'm thinking of doing another HIIT workout and run it 5 days per week.
    What are your thoughts on HIIT? Do you think its effective? Or do you suggest something different? I think its a great form of cardio.
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    I think many good points were made, from my personal experience, it's so true how no two bodies react the same way to nutrition. My room mate and I weighed the same, did the exact same diet and the results were completely different. You can't imagine how upset I was when I busted my ass just as hard and I was the one with the body comp that didnt react in the positive manner as his did.

    Long story short we have chalked it up to my body just didnt take to the same diet as his. Which leads me wondering if these blood panels I hear about really do help with dialing in your nutrition. Has anyone done this? What do these tests really tell you?
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    I think its important to remember what type of body is doing the nutrition and fitness plan. I am an athletic body type so my
    body doesn't respond to certain things that an inactive body type would respond to. I think its harder to lose fat when you have
    an athletic body type because my metabolism is extremely high so its really tough to battle. I have to work extra hard
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleGauge1 View Post
    After I use the Trim Down Advanced by Muscle Gauge Nutrition I'm thinking of doing another HIIT workout and run it 5 days per week.
    What are your thoughts on HIIT? Do you think its effective? Or do you suggest something different? I think its a great form of cardio.
    HIIT is great cardio and I use it myself. It basically accomplished in 15min what regualr cardio does in 45 min. There is also high intensity weight training which if done correctly, will help with the cell's mythocandria to rev up and help increase methabolic rate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Triton24 View Post
    I think many good points were made, from my personal experience, it's so true how no two bodies react the same way to nutrition. My room mate and I weighed the same, did the exact same diet and the results were completely different. You can't imagine how upset I was when I busted my ass just as hard and I was the one with the body comp that didnt react in the positive manner as his did.

    Long story short we have chalked it up to my body just didnt take to the same diet as his. Which leads me wondering if these blood panels I hear about really do help with dialing in your nutrition. Has anyone done this? What do these tests really tell you?
    Def helps and can make all the difference.
    I'll give you an example,
    I helped someone who used to eat 800cal a day and gain weight. First issue discovered was her thyroid being off. Started with t4 and still had problems. Then added t3 to the t4 as the body wouldnt make enough t3. Basically, t4 was high and t3 was low. WIth that fixed we moved to diet.She did have insulin resistance and she could not do without carbs...the usual up and down rollacoater with blood glucose. Now, she eats a low carb diet with occasional cheat meals, social drinker, few times a week in the gym and moderate cardio(HIIT 2x a week).
    Now she eats 1600cal a day, maintaining her weight and at this time losing fat and gaining muscle.
    She never felt better. So to answer your question it makes a big difference if you know what your body tendencies are and how to deal with them.
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    Cardio. Find something you enjoy like martial arts, swimming, bike riding.
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    this hiit routine I found pretty intense..well, for my age anyway..
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    That's a great video I will try this type of HIIT workout next time I hit the gym. I think its great cardio and I use it quite often.
    I think that it really is better than using the stairmaster or climber to burn off the holiday fat. I really hate using the treadmill
    and when I do use it I usually make sure that I put the incline all theway up to burn more fat. That's the best way
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    My favorite HIIT workout would be with a jump rope.

    I basically do a circuit, where I will jump rope as fast and as hard as I can for ~2 minutes, then drop down and do a set of abs workout (upper and side abs), which will lower my heart rate just enough, then it's back up and do jump rope again. Do this for about 5 sets, ends up being ~25 - 30 workout and leaves me exhausted.
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    I love the jump rope and I will try this routine next time I am doing HIIT I think that my favorite routine to do
    would be with the stairmaster. I do short interval at a very high pace as fast as it will go and I go for as many
    rounds as possible. I just keep going until I can't stop and I just keep going. It really breaks a sweat
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    Quote Originally Posted by bla55 View Post
    My favorite HIIT workout would be with a jump rope.

    I basically do a circuit, where I will jump rope as fast and as hard as I can for ~2 minutes, then drop down and do a set of abs workout (upper and side abs), which will lower my heart rate just enough, then it's back up and do jump rope again. Do this for about 5 sets, ends up being ~25 - 30 workout and leaves me exhausted.
    I love the jump rope and I will try this routine next time I am doing HIIT I think that my favorite routine to do
    would be with the stairmaster. I do short interval at a very high pace as fast as it will go and I go for as many
    rounds as possible. I just keep going until I can't stop and I just keep going. It really breaks a sweat
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleGauge1 View Post
    I love the jump rope and I will try this routine next time I am doing HIIT I think that my favorite routine to do
    would be with the stairmaster. I do short interval at a very high pace as fast as it will go and I go for as many
    rounds as possible. I just keep going until I can't stop and I just keep going. It really breaks a sweat
    Try to do that one as well, love doing it on incline too, helps out a lot for a quick exhaustion. I get shin splints real easily and hurts real bad, so I can't do it as frequently as I would like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bla55 View Post
    Try to do that one as well, love doing it on incline too, helps out a lot for a quick exhaustion. I get shin splints real easily and hurts real bad, so I can't do it as frequently as I would like.
    Yea incline is a killer workout too! Man you can really feel the burn when you do it on incline. I love it for real its great. I think that the more
    it burns the better the workout. I remember teaching a boot camp class and working those girls out until they almost passed out! It's a great
    feeling to work hard and get the sweat on. I can't wait to unveil my six pack this summer. It's going to be great man!
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    I think using Green Tea or Green Tea Extract could be a helpful weight loss addition. Green Tea is a powerful
    anti-oxidant that is getting a lot of credit lately. I think it could be a great addition to any diet. I would recommend it
    to anyone that is trying to lose weight its great. You can buy the Extract from any food store or Walmart
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    best way to lose weight let me tell you not diet or exercise clen, DNP and T3 if you dont die you will lose fat
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    lol most ppl dont even know what dnp is, not to mention this stuff is dangerous! However, you do lose 1lb a day of fat on average for about 2-3 weeks if you dont manage to kill yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vassille View Post
    lol most ppl dont even know what dnp is, not to mention this stuff is dangerous! However, you do lose 1lb a day of fat on average for about 2-3 weeks if you dont manage to kill yourself.
    Haha. Yep. Never tried but I know folks that have. Most don't like the sides though.
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