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    Quote Originally Posted by gonzalezpg71 View Post
    Thanks!!! Exactly what I wanted to know!!!
    Most pre workouts have glucose, sugars etc. This applies to anything with calories.. even cod liver oil has calories, just water in your belly, thats it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RogerBob

    Most pre workouts have glucose, sugars etc. This applies to anything with calories.. even cod liver oil has calories, just water in your belly, thats it!
    Bcaas are a must if training fasted.
    Pre workouts are great!
    If your on a burn day,no bcaas just some coffee and water til you break the fast
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    Quote Originally Posted by runner_79

    Bcaas are a must if training fasted.
    Pre workouts are great!
    If your on a burn day,no bcaas just some coffee and water til you break the fast
    Ok so my preworkout is jack3d would that break my fast? Also can I take BCAA before bed after my feeding window has ended? Or would that all ready break my fast for the next day? Thanks for the replies btw!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gonzalezpg71

    Ok so my preworkout is jack3d would that break my fast? Also can I take BCAA before bed after my feeding window has ended? Or would that all ready break my fast for the next day? Thanks for the replies btw!!
    Jacked is fine.
    I would honestly do, if you like 1,3
    3 scoops purple wraath in a 2litre bottle, add in sns 25mg dmaa caps pre workout.
    Train fasted. Have 1/3 bcaa pre,10 peri-post and 10g every 2 hours post w/o until u break ur fast
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    Quote Originally Posted by runner_79

    Jacked is fine.
    I would honestly do, if you like 1,3
    3 scoops purple wraath in a 2litre bottle, add in sns 25mg dmaa caps pre workout.
    Train fasted. Have 1/3 bcaa pre,10 peri-post and 10g every 2 hours post w/o until u break ur fast
    Awesome!! Thanks so much!! Appreciate the advice!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gonzalezpg71

    Awesome!! Thanks so much!! Appreciate the advice!!

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    I haven't read this entire post so my apologies if this is a repeat but i am doing IF and I am on a ECA stack. I've only been on ECA for for 3 days and IF going on two weeks I started at 277 lbs and I went down to 271lbs but now I'm back up to 273 I don't know if it's water weight ? I eat from 1 to 6 and normally have a protein shake, Avacado, can of tuna. I'm I doing something wrong or do I need to stay patient. Keep in my mind I started at 315lbs 10 weeks ago. Thanks for all the help
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    Quote Originally Posted by lenglish27
    I haven't read this entire post so my apologies if this is a repeat but i am doing IF and I am on a ECA stack. I've only been on ECA for for 3 days and IF going on two weeks I started at 277 lbs and I went down to 271lbs but now I'm back up to 273 I don't know if it's water weight ? I eat from 1 to 6 and normally have a protein shake, Avacado, can of tuna. I'm I doing something wrong or do I need to stay patient. Keep in my mind I started at 315lbs 10 weeks ago. Thanks for all the help
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    Quote Originally Posted by runner_79 View Post
    Starving yourself.
    Look up rippedbody.jpg I think its spelt.
    Gives you a basic and detailed diet critique for macros and kcal.

    Check my Sig or our.promo section on here and throw in an app for the 8 pack stack. The winner gets to challenge me for a month.
    I was under the impression that the greater your caloric deficit the greater your results. I'm not trying to starve myself but the eca makes me have no desire to eat
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    Quote Originally Posted by lenglish27 View Post
    I was under the impression that the greater your caloric deficit the greater your results. I'm not trying to starve myself but the eca makes me have no desire to eat
    the problem is going below a certain point more of your losses come from muscle than fat
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL

    the problem is going below a certain point more of your losses come from muscle than fat
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    Quote Originally Posted by lenglish27 View Post
    I was under the impression that the greater your caloric deficit the greater your results. I'm not trying to starve myself but the eca makes me have no desire to eat
    the problem is going below a certain point more of your losses come from muscle than fat
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    the problem is going below a certain point more of your losses come from muscle than fat
    That makes since I guess right now I'm just trying to find a happy medium. My diet is clean in my opinion. All I eat is turkey, tuna, chicken, white fish, Avacado, black beans, brown rice, MTS Whey protein, and peanut butter. Obviously not all in one day but that is really the extent of my diet and I drink close to 2 gallons of water a day
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    Quote Originally Posted by lenglish27 View Post
    That makes since I guess right now I'm just trying to find a happy medium. My diet is clean in my opinion. All I eat is turkey, tuna, chicken, white fish, Avacado, black beans, brown rice, MTS Whey protein, and peanut butter. Obviously not all in one day but that is really the extent of my diet and I drink close to 2 gallons of water a day
    then the only other thing you need is patience. remember you need to develop a habit for life. regardless of how long it takes to get to your goal weight/bodyfat level, eventually you do get there and you have to learn how to eat to be able to stay there
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    then the only other thing you need is patience. remember you need to develop a habit for life. regardless of how long it takes to get to your goal weight/bodyfat level, eventually you do get there and you have to learn how to eat to be able to stay there
    Very true I guess I freaked out a little because this is the first time in 10 weeks I've gained weight. I weigh in first thing every morning. With just starting the ECA I was concerned
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    Quote Originally Posted by lenglish27 View Post
    Very true I guess I freaked out a little because this is the first time in 10 weeks I've gained weight. I weigh in first thing every morning. With just starting the ECA I was concerned
    not knowing how old you are, I can still say it took years to add the weight, if it takes years to drop it, thats ok so long as there is progress over time and you aren't racing to some finish line to then be able to stop putting in the effort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    remember you need to develop a habit for life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    then the only other thing you need is patience. remember you need to develop a habit for life. regardless of how long it takes to get to your goal weight/bodyfat level, eventually you do get there and you have to learn how to eat to be able to stay there
    Very true I guess I freaked out a little because this is the first time in 10 weeks I've gained weight. I weigh in first thing every morning. With just starting the ECA I was concerned
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    Quote Originally Posted by lenglish27 View Post
    Very true I guess I freaked out a little because this is the first time in 10 weeks I've gained weight. I weigh in first thing every morning. With just starting the ECA I was concerned
    Yikes, weighing every day is a good way to get discouraged fast, your body is going to vary based on water weight etc, I would limit weigh-ins to once a week at the most, it's hard but stay off the scale, then at one week when you see 1lb or 2 gone it will keep you motivated, anyway the mirror and tape measure is a better quick way to see results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Basso View Post
    Yikes, weighing every day is a good way to get discouraged fast, your body is going to vary based on water weight etc,
    Correct, once a week if you really have to, i go once a month, never once a day... weigh yourself in the morning, do the same at night, you've put on 3 lbs in a day! Quick, stop eating! haha

    I can lose 6lbs doing a hefty dump or day two into D-AA when im p*ssing out of my arse!!
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    i personally weigh daily, but I also don't really care what it says
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    Quote Originally Posted by RogerBob

    Correct, once a week if you really have to, i go once a month, never once a day... weigh yourself in the morning, do the same at night, you've put on 3 lbs in a day! Quick, stop eating! haha

    I can lose 6lbs doing a hefty dump or day two into D-AA when im p*ssing out of my arse!!
    Is that why im having explossive shtick
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL
    i personally weigh daily, but I also don't really care what it says
    I do it 2-6 times a day for fun. Pre and post poop.

    Habit. Cant help it.

    Weighing everyday can be beneficial and discouraging from my experience. Weigh everyday but only count one weigh in on a specific day. Just easier for people who care about numbers not the mirror.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBF Inc

    I do it 2-6 times a day for fun. Pre and post poop.

    Habit. Cant help it.

    Weighing everyday can be beneficial and discouraging from my experience. Weigh everyday but only count one weigh in on a specific day. Just easier for people who care about numbers not the mirror.
    Thought i was weird for weighing post poop good to know im not alone my record is like 5 lbs lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBF Inc

    I do it 2-6 times a day for fun. Pre and post poop.

    Habit. Cant help it.

    Weighing everyday can be beneficial and discouraging from my experience. Weigh everyday but only count one weigh in on a specific day. Just easier for people who care about numbers not the mirror.
    I think too that once you've been doing that long enough you get used to the fact that goddamn sunspots or listening to the wrong music can cause a 3lb variation day to day. Well some sort of unknown unable to determine factor anyhow
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    Holy hell you guy taking 5lb poop.. That's a small new born!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mk3less
    Holy hell you guy taking 5lb poop.. That's a small new born!
    Lol i was impressed
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    Quote Originally Posted by live to lift

    Lol i was impressed
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    Quote Originally Posted by runner_79

    Bowel baby
    Yea that's a big poo. My record was a little over 2.

    And I eat like a beast lol
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    On more serious note then poop. Does creatine break the fast? As i guess it would be better absorbed on a empty stomach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by inda11
    On more serious note then poop. Does creatine break the fast? As i guess it would be better absorbed on a empty stomach.
    This? Was already answered for u on another thread. No creatine does not break the fast as long as ur not using something with calories what type of creatine?
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    Quote Originally Posted by runner_79

    Bowel baby
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBF Inc View Post
    Yea that's a big poo. My record was a little over 2.

    And I eat like a beast lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by runnerschick
    There was one I had the pleasure of dealing with at work today that couldve competed lol...(I should mention I'm a preschool teacher working with 2 n 3 yr olds lol )
    Lol that just makes it twice as bad u sir take the win
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    Lots of funny comments on the scale and post dump weigh ins. I use a scale that measures weight, bf%, and body water%. I find using three metrics better than one. Ive learned to set monthly goals and use the scale more or less as a way to make sure I'm on the right track. It can be discouraging but also very motivating. Jumping on the scale is like getting paid on Friday. You get some return on your hard work.

    I've started LG/IF and I'm loving it. So much flexibility. Made a post in the LG/IF thread and don't want to get repetitive. But when it comes to body science it just makes sense and feel like an idiot for never considering it before.

    I'm in a recomp stage and it's working wonders and allowing me to have more control over my diet. I've never had a problem gaining weight or losing weight. The challenge for me has always been during a bulking phase. Nailing the right macros/calories to see the muscle and strength gains I want while not putting on body fat is difficult. I usually get to the strength/weight I want then taper. It's a fun challenge but would love to just find that perfect number for myself.

    I'm in a total recomp stage right now, and I will probably put up a log at some point. But lean gains/IF is awesome. It allows me not to feel like I have cheat days if I have to go away for a weekend to a wedding or event. I just plan my fasting around the meals I know aren't going to be as clean as I would want.

    The biggest challenge in a diet is always social functions. And instead of encouraging, most people try to get you to eat or drink and say live a little. So if I know I have dinner at 5, and it's going to be something like prime rib, I might not open my fasting window at 12. I'll fast till 5 knowing I'll hit my calories then and people won't give me **** for eating healthy. It's worked so far.

    Although, when I am eating really healthy I feel horrible if i eat dirty food. My body just rejects it. Seems to be magnified on IF. MIght have to do with the insulin and glycogen levels from the fasting period. It's like a shock to my system. I feel like I ate a bag of cement and took 20 sleeping pills if I eat a large dirty meal.
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    Enjoyed reading this thread. I also started IF and am doing the 16/8 protocol. I train fasted in the morning. I take a some bcaa pre-wo, bcaa during wo, and bcaa post. Training starts around 7 or 8 am. I'm usually in the gym for 60-70 min. I dont break my fast till after 12. So far, energy levels are good. The only drawback for me is that I train with a lot of volume and am unable to lift weights that I used to. I am on a push/pull/leg routine. I'll give it another 2 weeks and see how my body adjusts. Anyways, it been about a 1.5 weeks since I've been on IF.

    I'm on a recomp. My calories on training days is around 2400, and 1600 on rest days. Anyone have any suggestions or opinions on my routine?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ballerj63
    Enjoyed reading this thread. I also started IF and am doing the 16/8 protocol. I train fasted in the morning. I take a some bcaa pre-wo, bcaa during wo, and bcaa post. Training starts around 7 or 8 am. I'm usually in the gym for 60-70 min. I dont break my fast till after 12. So far, energy levels are good. The only drawback for me is that I train with a lot of volume and am unable to lift weights that I used to. I am on a push/pull/leg routine. I'll give it another 2 weeks and see how my body adjusts. Anyways, it been about a 1.5 weeks since I've been on IF.

    I'm on a recomp. My calories on training days is around 2400, and 1600 on rest days. Anyone have any suggestions or opinions on my routine?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ballerj63 View Post
    Enjoyed reading this thread. I also started IF and am doing the 16/8 protocol. I train fasted in the morning. I take a some bcaa pre-wo, bcaa during wo, and bcaa post. Training starts around 7 or 8 am. I'm usually in the gym for 60-70 min. I dont break my fast till after 12. So far, energy levels are good. The only drawback for me is that I train with a lot of volume and am unable to lift weights that I used to. I am on a push/pull/leg routine. I'll give it another 2 weeks and see how my body adjusts. Anyways, it been about a 1.5 weeks since I've been on IF.

    I'm on a recomp. My calories on training days is around 2400, and 1600 on rest days. Anyone have any suggestions or opinions on my routine?
    Hang in their bro I do the same protocol as you but my training starts at 4:30 am. The first two weeks I had to swallow my pride and lower the weight but now I'm back up and on a few work outs heavier then before. Your body will adapt and then some. Good luck!
  

  
 

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