Wake up in morning, look shredded...by midday look like bloated crap

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  1. cool i'll try dosing pre meals. Right now i'm feeling some good amount of energy. I get nervous energy toe tapping pretty easily... hope i'm not annoying my office mate too much


  2. is the appetite suppression supposed to kick in on first doses? So far it hasn't done anything for that.
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  3. 1900cals on lifting days may be too low... This happened to me a month ago.. I wanted to drop BF fast for an upcoming trip to Vegas... So I dropped my Carbs low, bumped everything else. What I realized was I was actually accumulating more BF because my weight training was still the same intensity but I wasn't eating enough to keep up with it... When your not eating enough and training hard your body is catabolic and wasting muscle for energy, which in turn drops your metabolism... Best progress I made so far in my 15 years of diets and training and 5 years of bodybuilding has been the CBL Diet by John Kiefer... In the last 3 weeks since I started I went from 198 15% bodyfat to 207 now at 10%... I train 5 days a week Legs one day, Back & Chest one day, Shoulders Bi's & Tri's, then 2 days of H.I.I.T... But only for 15-20min. Plus a 5 min cool down. Doing 45min of H.I.I.T is way too long. Plus if you can perform 45min the intensity isn't high enough. 15-20min should feel like death if your doing it right.

  4. Not to mention I've been counting Cals on and off for years and I hate it... Now on the CBL diet all I do is count Macros... Morning wake up 5:45 coffee with coconut oil... Get to the gym where I work as a trainer... 7am client then 8am client... At 9am eat 8oz. of grilled chicken 1/4 cup walnuts... Train 930,1030,1130 clients ... At 12 eat 8oz grilled chicken, 1/2 cup cashews, big bowl of steamed broccoli or asparagus... Train 1230 client... At 2pm mix 6 scoops of grape I.C.E Bcaas and 4 grams a Beta-Alanine... LIFT THE WORLD UP AND DOWN FOR AN HOUR... Down a PWO shake 30 grams of whey, 30 grams of Casein, 50 grams of Dextrose, 50 grams of Maltodextrin... 5pm eat 10oz of broiled flounder and 5 skinny cow brand flying saucers (skinny cow.cause there's no fat) PWO till bedtime just protein and carbs lil to no fat... 8pm 2 scoops of Casein and 4 packs of fig newtons... 1030 swallow ZMA, POWERFULL, & 1 scoop of ARGININE PYROGLUTAMATE with LYSINE... Fall asleep at 1045 GROW and wake up at 545 looking harder and vascular in the mirror than I did the day before... Mirror is all that matters, and how you feel... Scale means ****..

  5. Quote Originally Posted by MooseLoRoose View Post
    1900cals on lifting days may be too low... This happened to me a month ago.. I wanted to drop BF fast for an upcoming trip to Vegas... So I dropped my Carbs low, bumped everything else. What I realized was I was actually accumulating more BF because my weight training was still the same intensity but I wasn't eating enough to keep up with it... When your not eating enough and training hard your body is catabolic and wasting muscle for energy, which in turn drops your metabolism... Best progress I made so far in my 15 years of diets and training and 5 years of bodybuilding has been the CBL Diet by John Kiefer... In the last 3 weeks since I started I went from 198 15% bodyfat to 207 now at 10%... I train 5 days a week Legs one day, Back & Chest one day, Shoulders Bi's & Tri's, then 2 days of H.I.I.T... But only for 15-20min. Plus a 5 min cool down. Doing 45min of H.I.I.T is way too long. Plus if you can perform 45min the intensity isn't high enough. 15-20min should feel like death if your doing it right.
    I have been trying this system since Friday. I went to the forum and listened to several interviews with Kiefer. Now mind you I haven't spent the $89.95 for the ebook. I feel I pretty much get the gist of it and my protocol is very close to what you have outlined here. I am not convinced however as I have been extremely sluggish and weak by the time I hit my 1:30pm workouts. Also the claims that you have went from 198lbs at 15% bf to 207lbs at 10% does nothing to legitimize this protocol any further, I mean c'mon especially for someone lifting as many years as you. I am no fool you are talking about gains that the best juice won't even give you. Anyways I think I am going drop that experiment for now and keep going the route I was on with slow burning carbs and a reduced calorie diet, HIIT and weights.
    thanks for introducing me to the CBL however I will try this again in the fall when I'm not worried about my fat creeping in again. Right now I will go a more conventional route, carbs in carbs out and keep eating clean.
    Thnx again
    Bat
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  6. Ok brother I hear you. I have no reason to make outrageous claims, Kiefer isn't paying me. It does sound a little skeptical but 9lbs isn't that unrealistic in 3 weeks considering wrestlers I train can lose 10lbs in a single night. I didn't say I've gained 9lbs of muscle, that my friend is outrageous. The reason is simple, I went from 50-100grams of carbs a day to somewhere around 500grams. The weight is coming from additional water. But its being store as glycogen that's why I'm dry and not bloated. It's not for everyone but give it a try in the fall it takes some time to get used to it, and learn what your body can or can't absorb.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by BatCountry View Post
    is the appetite suppression supposed to kick in on first doses? So far it hasn't done anything for that.

    For me it kicked in after 3/4 days at 2cps 3 times a day. How are you dosing it?
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by AutoKal47 View Post
    For me it kicked in after 3/4 days at 2cps 3 times a day. How are you dosing it?
    i am dosing exactly that. I'll keep you posted. As you may have noticed above i tried the carb back loading thing for a few days. I am going to drop that and go back to a more conventional approach for now. I will pick up carb back loading in the winter, when i'm not as concerned with gaining or (hopefully) loosing a few lbs of fat.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by MooseLoRoose View Post
    Ok brother I hear you. I have no reason to make outrageous claims, Kiefer isn't paying me. It does sound a little skeptical but 9lbs isn't that unrealistic in 3 weeks considering wrestlers I train can lose 10lbs in a single night. I didn't say I've gained 9lbs of muscle, that my friend is outrageous. The reason is simple, I went from 50-100grams of carbs a day to somewhere around 500grams. The weight is coming from additional water. But its being store as glycogen that's why I'm dry and not bloated. It's not for everyone but give it a try in the fall it takes some time to get used to it, and learn what your body can or can't absorb.
    water, yes now that is more realistic. For myself however, i feel like i am holding way to much water by the end of the day. this manifests as bloat, specifically in the upper abdominals. last night after CBL i noticed this had come back again pretty significantly as compared to the previous week where i had cut out a lot of fast burning carbs but also dairy. When i go back to experimenting with CBL later in the year this is something i am going to have to be aware of and adjust amount of carbs and types when back loading.
    I would be interested in seeing your longer term experience with this, say after a few more months. Maybe you could start a progress thread here?
    thanks Moose, stay strong and lean.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by BatCountry View Post
    Wow fast delivery! So it says for cutting dose 2 to 3 capsules 2 to three times daily. You use after you eat? So after my morning no carb shake first dose 60 minutes after words? I guess i will have the appetite for breakfast but it will suppressed the rest of the day?
    ^^^ This may be the culprit for your bloating issue. I sometimes have the same exact problem after my morning shake and seems to last a while. Check the ingredients in your no carb shake and maybe try something with a different ingredient panel. I sometimes have to skip my shake and just take a BCAA drink in the morning if I have an early grappling or Judo session. I just can't stand being bloated on the mat.

  11. Yeah I'll def keep you posted. I also think the CBL could be working because I'm on a fairly new training split where I rotate Hypertrophy training weeks with reps in the 8-10 range only, 1.5-2min rest periods, and high volume in total number of reps. Then after 2 weeks it switches to really heavy reps in the 3-5 range only, 3-4 minute rest periods, and lower volume in total number of.reps.... It could be the combination is raising a better hormonal response... Who knows

  12. Quote Originally Posted by grappler22 View Post
    ^^^ This may be the culprit for your bloating issue. I sometimes have the same exact problem after my morning shake and seems to last a while. Check the ingredients in your no carb shake and maybe try something with a different ingredient panel. I sometimes have to skip my shake and just take a BCAA drink in the morning if I have an early grappling or Judo session. I just can't stand being bloated on the mat.
    I use two brands about time Whey Isolate and VPX Zero Carb SRO. the ingrediants are very similar but VPX uses Sucralean and about time uses Stevia. If i had to guess it would be the VPX, that's the culprit as Stevia is a natural sweetener.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by BatCountry View Post
    i am dosing exactly that. I'll keep you posted. As you may have noticed above i tried the carb back loading thing for a few days. I am going to drop that and go back to a more conventional approach for now. I will pick up carb back loading in the winter, when i'm not as concerned with gaining or (hopefully) loosing a few lbs of fat.
    That's a good idea, I'm not loading anymore now (at all but that's a different story lol)
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by AutoKal47 View Post
    That's a good idea, I'm not loading anymore now (at all but that's a different story lol)
    what makes it different, the journey to 4% BF that you went down to?
  15. too much flax


    Maybe you're getting too much phytostrogens from 6g of Flax Oil
    Code:
    Phytoestrogen Content (mcg/100g aprox. 4 ounces)
    
    Flax seed 379,380
    Soy beans    103,920
    Tofu    27,150.1
    Soy yogurt    10,275
    Sesame seed    8008.1
    Flax bread    7540
    Multigrain bread    4798.7
    Soy milk    2957.2
    Hummus    993
    
      Source:  www . totalityofbeing.com /FramelessPages/Articles/estrogeninfoods.html
    Besides that flax has secoisolariciresinol diglucoside (SDG Lingan) that inhibit 5a-redutase (lower DHT) and increse SHBG production.

    Code:
    LinumLife modulates DHT via the following mechanisms:
    
    1) Increase of production of Sex Hormone Binding Globulin (SHBG). SHBG binds to the free testosterone in the blood stream, making it unavailable to be metabolized to DHT. 
    
    2) Inhibition of enzymatic pathways by which the body metabolizes testosterone to DHT. LinumLife affects the following pathways:
    * 5α reductase
    * 17β OHSD
    * Aromatase
    * Luteinizing hormone (LH)
    
    Source:  www . linumlife.com/health-benefits-p3725-en.html
     
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  16. wow zaire that is interesting... or should i say that sucks, never knew flax had a higher level of Phytos than even soy. Guess i'll stick with fish oil. thanks for that info!

  17. Quote Originally Posted by BatCountry View Post
    what makes it different, the journey to 4% BF that you went down to?
    My body apparently lost the capacity of digesting carbs, we're talking any kind, anything more than
    50gr in one day. I'm not missing them, actually I feel much better without them since
    they were causing me unbearable stomach cramps lately.
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  18. Interesting, could it have to do with digestive issues? I have problems absorbing protien so I take Betatine HCI along with pro-biotics. Maybe that would help you also? Of course if you like this and see it as a benifit then why change anything.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by BatCountry View Post
    Interesting, could it have to do with digestive issues? I have problems absorbing protien so I take Betatine HCI along with pro-biotics. Maybe that would help you also? Of course if you like this and see it as a benifit then why change anything.
    Sort of, I'm quoting myself from another thread in which we are currently talking about this specifically:

    Quote Originally Posted by AutoKal47 View Post
    my body stopped producing the enzyme(s) needed to digest carbs.
    Since enzymes are expensive to produce for the body and it would make sense it stopped
    producing sucrase for example, if is not needed.

    [..] the problem is in the stomach digestion: assuming the pH of my stomach
    became very acid this would cause the destruction of the enzyme responsible for carb digestion
    [..] the offending food will cause discomfort and such until it leaves the stomach to go into the small intestine
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