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    If you don't have enough muscle for a solid 6-pack, no amount of dieting will make it visible... What on god's earth made you think you were an endomorph?

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    And another note: Skinny jeans are bad for your testicular health... just sayin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManBeast View Post
    And another note: Skinny jeans are bad for your testicular health... just sayin.

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    Good job I don't wear skinnys then hate the look of the things haha.

    I'm not sure, high bf (my opinion) and low musclular mas I guess.
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    Yea. U need to build up the abs then they will show trust me! Weighted abwork!! No skinny jeans here, no undies either! My boys like it loose and free
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    Trust us, the reason you haven't been seeing gains is because you've been training wrong due to a distorted body image. If you can get your bodyfat checked accurately (water dip is the best, the egg thing is meh, and pinch tests suck IMHO), you'll be quite surprised.

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    Start counting calories.. Www.myfitnesspal.com is the best IMHO .. PC and smart phone .. I would say 2700-2900 per day to start.. 40% carbs 40% protien 20% fat (good fats) ..

    4 day split workout plan and keep cardio to 2hrs max per week ..

    see what happens .. adjust calories from there .. your gonna need protien.. Whey and casin .. creatine and glutamine..

    I currently have 8% body fat and can't really see my abs .. I also have no clue how I actually look .. I see guys in the gym who are 20lbs lighter with more bf and I think they are huge in comparison to what I see in the mirror ...

    And for the record these guys with abs for days are 4-6%bf and skinny lil f***s to begin with :-P .. LMAO

    There is a ton of good advice in this thread read it and use it.. You will get the results you want when you learn what works for your body
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    If you lose anymore weight you'll look like you play soccer. You don't want to look like all you do is run up and down a field do you??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dizmal View Post
    If you lose anymore weight you'll look like you play soccer. You don't want to look like all you do is run up and down a field do you??
    More like a marathon runner. A fair number of soccer players at least look athletic.

    To OP: agreed with the consensus - you're about 12%. I don't think you're significantly less due to your legs, but you're lucky in that it seems you don't hold fat on your abdominals like others do.

    Definitely concentrate on putting on muscle before you think about cutting down (dropping fat). Muscle tissue is more metabolically active/responsive than fat, so having more muscle makes burning fat an easier process. Also having more muscle allows you to exert a greater working capacity, so your workout sessions will burn more calories, and again you burn fat easier. There are probably more reasons to name, but work on getting big as a beginner and save cutting for later.
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    i assume you been starving yourself??? you got to eat to lose my friend, funny as that sounds, the sooner you realize its the truth the better off youll be. like suggested 3000 calories of good foods, spend some time learning about what foods are what. i dont know how in depth your ready to go, it seems like your motivated enough by your self image lol. keep your proteins at 1.5 per lb of bodyweight, try not to eat heavy carbs 6 hours before bed (IMO no pastas or breads for dinner). green veggies and a multivitamin are a must. you need a whole separate thread for help with a workout im sure. maybe pick you up a couple books to read, if your interested in bodybuilding for real, try arnolds encyclopedia. good luck bud, please learn to be patient with your body.
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    One thing to remember in your situtation is that "discussion forums" are exactly what they advertise to be. A place to "discuss" things. Don't take anything anyone says on here to heart. Just use it as a source for suggestions and opinions. At the end of the day, you want to do your own research and use what works best for you.
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    Thanks for the help guys - really appreciated! Will have a read through everyone's comments and report back on what I decide to do.

    One thing I noticed tonight when training (and one of the gym owners mentioned it also) - when I am benching, I tend to twist where my right side tries to over-compensate for my weaker side. This is the same when doing tricep movements and as such my lifts are very weak - infact, they are terrible! What can I do to overcome this? I feel that this is holding me back on mass building because of my weak chest/triceps.

    On the whole, I look bigger than some of the people my age that are lifting more weight than I am, however this muscle appears to be 'fake'. Very annoying, and very very frustrating!

    Apologies for moving off topic slightly - but it's relative to the thread

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    To overcome inequality in individual arm strength just use dumbells for a while should even thingsout
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    To overcome inequality in individual arm strength just use dumbells for a while should even thingsout
    Cheers mate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Srt4Muscle
    you are skinny bro, like less than 12% for sure. IMO you should be asking for help gaining, its hard to get big and cut at the same time. you need to get bigger first though. def need to start you on some creatine for strength, put you on a 5x5 workout plan and you need a partner to push you and help you with extra reps.

    your arms are as big as mine lol and your legs look big too man, shoulders arent too bad, kinda small chest but better than gyno lmao. dude you need to accept your body and work on it slow, you have self image issues to say the least. im not trying to be mean no homo you look good lol
    You need to get negative thoughts out of your mind mate don't tell your self your not gaining because if you believe that you won't get big then maybe you won't. I don't know I might be talking sh1t, But I think mindset has a lot to do with it.
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    Hey up guys, thanks for the information previously - has been a big help. I'm not sure if anyone is remotely interested but I decided I would update you all as to what I am currently doing.

    I have taken the advice and I am currently following a 3000 calorie diet whilst following a good full body 5x5 routine. Hopefully this shall help me to pack on some muscle by lifting heavy using compound movements.

    I will keep you updated - first gym session tonight since starting the bulking diet
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neuronic
    Hey up guys, thanks for the information previously - has been a big help. I'm not sure if anyone is remotely interested but I decided I would update you all as to what I am currently doing.

    I have taken the advice and I am currently following a 3000 calorie diet whilst following a good full body 5x5 routine. Hopefully this shall help me to pack on some muscle by lifting heavy using compound movements.

    I will keep you updated - first gym session tonight since starting the bulking diet
    Cool. Definitely will stay current w you n keep posting any ? U have
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    Good luck man, just remember to keep those calories clean as you can and you will be quite happy Lift hard, sleep hard!

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    Right, here is a link to my fitday diet log - my calories for the past two days have been way over the 3000 so I need to cut those down a bit, and also my ratios are slightly off, so a few more tweaks and I shall be there.

    http://goo.gl/70Sbf

    Would you recommend cardio in addition to lifting? Cheers for the support btw!
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    Keep the cardio mild, maybe some LI for 20 minutes or HIIT for 15, 2-3x a week just to say healthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManBeast
    Keep the cardio mild, maybe some LI for 20 minutes or HIIT for 15, 2-3x a week just to say healthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManBeast View Post
    Keep the cardio mild, maybe some LI for 20 minutes or HIIT for 15, 2-3x a week just to say healthy.

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    Sweet - cheers for that ManBeast.

    Any advice on the diet from the link I posted? Anything I could improve?
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    Diet is my worst area in terms of analyzing/tweaking. Stresses me out enough keeping track of mine LoL. I'll leave that to someone much better than I.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neuronic View Post
    Sweet - cheers for that ManBeast.

    Any advice on the diet from the link I posted? Anything I could improve?
    I would increase consumption of things like beef, and maybe add in some coconut oil. Many people don't like fat, (Though I see you hit around 114g that day, which is far greater than I see usually) but we need fat for hormones and to keep our body from going into rabbit starvation (Eating too lean, calories aside, no fat will cause this to happen). I'm not saying you need to eat more mayonnaise. Just try to eat more meat. I think bumping the fat intake to maybe around 140-150g will be fine at that caloric level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattrag View Post
    I would increase consumption of things like beef, and maybe add in some coconut oil. Many people don't like fat, (Though I see you hit around 114g that day, which is far greater than I see usually) but we need fat for hormones and to keep our body from going into rabbit starvation (Eating too lean, calories aside, no fat will cause this to happen). I'm not saying you need to eat more mayonnaise. Just try to eat more meat. I think bumping the fat intake to maybe around 140-150g will be fine at that caloric level.
    Thanks for that mattrag, will definitely look at adding in more beef and coconut oil as you have suggested. So, more nuts basically then? I can eat more mayo for fats thought if I wanted can't I?
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    Guess not...I was following this thread. I was pretty interested in the progress.
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    You are 19.

    Give it some time. Eat more. Train more. Sleep more.
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    Me? This thread isn't even about me...why can I not be interested in the progress of the OP?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManBeast
    Any updates?

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