The Cause of Obesity

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by ZiR RED View Post
    Yes, but you are also trained. Through your training (your hard work) you have stimulated a whole response of cellular adaptations that allows you to burn fat or build muscle at a greater rate.

    Imagine there are two large houses (the body) with an equal amount of rooms (lean tissue) and a gigantic wood pile outside (fat tissue).

    Via training, you have put more furnaces in each room (mitochondria to burn the wood) and have more workers (fat mobilzing and burning enzymes) to carry wood into these furnaces.

    Therefore, dropping fat will be easier for someone who is a consistent exerciser.

    We can take this analogy a step further, and imagine who genetics will determine how many furnaces are in each room, how efficiently we can build these furnaces, and how fast we can carry wood to them.

    Its a complicated scenario. I am not making excuses for obese or over weight people, but its also not as simple as "suck it up, exercise and eat less". Unfortunately, the choices we make in life, and worse yet, the choices are parents made in their lives before our conception and then in our child hood also play a large role in the obesity epidemic.

    Further, we can discuss the socioeconomic factors and the decisions of our wise leaders who think PE has little value in school.

    Br
    Very true. Also good analogy.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by ZiR RED

    Good, and yet, horribly unhealthy example. I get extremely angry watching those episodes (and the only reason I'm watching them is because my wife is addicted to reality TV). In any case, losing 100 pounds in 3 months is not healthy, especially not in a developing teenager. I wonder how many girls get amenorreah due to it. Second, the training methods are just ill advised. There is no method - its some spike-haired douche bag throwing together whatever random exercises and yelling cliches so he can to cause exercise induced pain. I cringe when I watch the exercise form. There is no reason a 300 pound out of shape anyone should be doing high intensity plyometrics.

    It would be interesting to see a 3 or 5 year follow up to see how many have kept the weight off.

    Br
    That's also a great point. Its unhealthy but they did it. Although yes losing that much weight should b done in more like a year or longer. Lol that spiked hair guy is funny with some of the sh*t he says. I agree they should b trained differently though.
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  3. Obesity s all about calories in and out. Obese people are fat because thy eat too much and do less activity. Everyone knows that. The question is why are these people doing it in the first place? Or why are 70% of the unobese not doing the same? Is it lack of will power or laziness when both have access to the SAME toxic environment? Why is that?

    If it is not biology then it should be lack of will power or laziness. If that's the case, we have a bigger issue here. Obese people are lazy and are incapable of changing habits and behaviors. This is so earth shattering discovery that is worth the nobel prize int he field of psychology.

    And you just cannot compare your 10-15 lb loss or gain maintained for a few months and extrapolate it someone being 100-150lbs for the whole life. I have to put on 50llbs to be obese. I cannot do it even I have access to free food. And it's almost impossible to maintain it for the rest of my life! Is it possible, sure but not probable.

    And there are obvious genetic influence on how much you gain with the same amount of calories. An obese person might gain a lot more than what we might gain for the same amount of calories. The same for losing. There controlled studies which have shown this.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by anoopbal
    Obesity s all about calories in and out. Obese people are fat because thy eat too much and do less activity. Everyone knows that. The question is why are these people doing it in the first place? Or why are 70% of the unobese not doing the same? Is it lack of will power or laziness when both have access to the SAME toxic environment? Why is that?

    If it is not biology then it should be lack of will power or laziness. If that's the case, we have a bigger issue here. Obese people are lazy and are incapable of changing habits and behaviors. This is so earth shattering discovery that is worth the nobel prize int he field of psychology.

    And you just cannot compare your 10-15 lb loss or gain maintained for a few months and extrapolate it someone being 100-150lbs for the whole life. I have to put on 50llbs to be obese. I cannot do it even I have access to free food. And it's almost impossible to maintain it for the rest of my life! Is it possible, sure but not probable.

    And there are obvious genetic influence on how much you gain with the same amount of calories. An obese person might gain a lot more than what we might gain for the same amount of calories. The same for losing. There controlled studies which have shown this.
    What about people that are chubby/pudgy?
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by anoopbal View Post
    Obesity s all about calories in and out. Obese people are fat because thy eat too much and do less activity. Everyone knows that. The question is why are these people doing it in the first place? Or why are 70% of the unobese not doing the same? Is it lack of will power or laziness when both have access to the SAME toxic environment? Why is that?

    If it is not biology then it should be lack of will power or laziness. If that's the case, we have a bigger issue here. Obese people are lazy and are incapable of changing habits and behaviors. This is so earth shattering discovery that is worth the nobel prize int he field of psychology.

    And you just cannot compare your 10-15 lb loss or gain maintained for a few months and extrapolate it someone being 100-150lbs for the whole life. I have to put on 50llbs to be obese. I cannot do it even I have access to free food. And it's almost impossible to maintain it for the rest of my life! Is it possible, sure but not probable.

    And there are obvious genetic influence on how much you gain with the same amount of calories. An obese person might gain a lot more than what we might gain for the same amount of calories. The same for losing. There controlled studies which have shown this.
    Depression, medicines, hormones in food, fake sugar which makes people crave food.

    Depression is the only thing that could be remotely linked to genetics and even then they've shown not always genetics that trigger someone having depression.
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  6. Depression, medicines, hormones in food, fake sugar which makes people crave food.
    Great! So lean people are obviously immune to depression, hormones in food and fake sugar.

  7. What about people that are chubby/pudgy?
    What about them? That is another example of the wide variety of fatness in the same environment.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by anoopbal View Post
    Great! So lean people are obviously immune to depression, hormones in food and fake sugar.
    No, but it comes down to the point.. Not everything is black and white how things effect them. Just like supplements not everything effects people the same way. The body and especially the brain is so radial and different that no matter what a study or results say about it, it'll never be 100% conclusive. You asked why some people have problems in the same environment. I was pointing out even more variables to that environment that go above and beyond genetics. Good job trying to shoe horn more excuses for people to blame on their parents. I guess now we can blame if we are fat or not on them as well. Screw having to be responsible for what we do to our bodies, it's genetics faults why even try! Lets just place all our blame on others and take no responsibility for what we put in our bodies or do with our bodies.

  9. Good job trying to shoe horn more excuses for people to blame on their parents. I guess now we can blame if we are fat or not on them as well. Screw having to be responsible for what we do to our bodies, it's genetics faults why even try! Lets just place all our blame on others and take no responsibility for what we put in our bodies or do with our bodies.
    The reply for this is already posted: I am posting it again

    "So where does that leave a person who wants to lose a sizable amount of weight? Weight-loss scientists say they believe that once more people understand the genetic and biological challenges of keeping weight off, doctors and patients will approach weight loss more realistically and more compassionately. At the very least, the science may compel people who are already overweight to work harder to make sure they don’t put on additional pounds. Some people, upon learning how hard permanent weight loss can be, may give up entirely and return to overeating. Others may decide to accept themselves at their current weight and try to boost their fitness and overall health rather than changing the number on the scale.

    For me, understanding the science of weight loss has helped make sense of my own struggles to lose weight, as well as my mother’s endless cycle of dieting, weight gain and despair. I wish she were still here so I could persuade her to finally forgive herself for her dieting failures. While I do, ultimately, blame myself for allowing my weight to get out of control, it has been somewhat liberating to learn that there are factors other than my character at work when it comes to gaining and losing weight. And even though all the evidence suggests that it’s going to be very, very difficult for me to reduce my weight permanently, I’m surprisingly optimistic. I may not be ready to fight this battle this month or even this year. But at least I know what I’m up against.

  10. Eating healthy and working out to feel better takes will power and is a lifestyle, not a one, two, or three year plan. It's a choice you make, people need to be on a routine and stick to it.

  11. Well let's think about this. I consider my diet to be more of a lifestyle, a healthy lifestyle. Eating 6-7 times a day on a high protein diet is really the only way to shred and store food accordingly. Oatmeal, applesauce, brown rice, veggies, eggs, cottage cheese, natural fruit, protein shakes, protein bars/snack bars, chicken, fish, beef once in awhile, good whole wheats, a good multi-vitamin have a cheat day once in awhile cut out sugar as much as possible. Try to workout high stamina 45 minutes per day. You will be shocked how much better you feel.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Scot_Anderson
    Eating healthy and working out to feel better takes will power and is a lifestyle, not a one, two, or three year plan. It's a choice you make, people need to be on a routine and stick to it.
    Correct. And if they have to work harder when they get older to keep the weight off, then so b it. If u want it bad enough, you'll get it.

  13. I disagree with these. All of these existed in the 20's 30's 40's 50's 60's but obestity wasn't a fraction of the problem it is today. It wasn't till modern day that so many people started getting fat. The big difference is fast food. These easy to grab and go meals have recked peoples bodytypes. In and of themseleves they are not terrible for a treat now and then, but too many people eat at least 1 FF meal a day if not all of them. I read about some small island or something where everyone was thin and they introduced fast food and now it's an obesity epedimic.

    It's people substituting crap for meals that is the problem, people have been drinking alcohol and eating candy and cookies and cakes for centuries.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post
    I can pin it to several things.

    Sugar
    Alcohol
    Genetics
    Laziness

    Just my .02c

  14. Quote Originally Posted by CaseyW View Post
    I disagree with these. All of these existed in the 20's 30's 40's 50's 60's but obestity wasn't a fraction of the problem it is today. It wasn't till modern day that so many people started getting fat. The big difference is fast food. These easy to grab and go meals have recked peoples bodytypes. In and of themseleves they are not terrible for a treat now and then, but too many people eat at least 1 FF meal a day if not all of them. I read about some small island or something where everyone was thin and they introduced fast food and now it's an obesity epedimic.

    It's people substituting crap for meals that is the problem, people have been drinking alcohol and eating candy and cookies and cakes for centuries.
    Fast food and lets face it.. Most of us work behind a desk now. Laboring jobs are fewer today then in the past.

  15. I still constribute some to epigenetics.

    Next, the total kcal consumption by children has only increased by 100 kcal/week between now and the 70's. If activity stayed the same, this is barely enough to contribute 1.5 pounds a year gain. Obviously, either the type of food (HFCS TSA, etc.) or the reduction in activity (internet and social media), or a combo of both heavily contributed toward the childhood epidemic.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by ZiR RED View Post
    I still constribute some to epigenetics.

    Next, the total kcal consumption by children has only increased by 100 kcal/week between now and the 70's. If activity stayed the same, this is barely enough to contribute 1.5 pounds a year gain. Obviously, either the type of food (HFCS TSA, etc.) or the reduction in activity (internet and social media), or a combo of both heavily contributed toward the childhood epidemic.
    Then:
    Riding bikes, playing in the street, hitting each other with sticks..

    Now:
    Riding bikes in a video game, playing street fighting in a video game, hitting each other with sticks in a video game..

    :-D

  17. The people on this website are mostly exceptional because we constantly think about our bodies and we think about what we eat and how much we need, etc. The general public does not think about their daily calories or obsess about lifting weights and looking a certain way. The general public eats based on taste, convenience, hunger, etc. It depends what type of person you are and how determined you are. There are so many factors that go into obesity. It is surely not all about being lazy.. it also has to do with environment, genetics, sometimes even knowledge. Though knowledge does not dictate behavior but that is a separate issue all together. The point that I am trying to make is that the general public is not comprised of athletes/bodybuilders and they do not think like we do or have the same type of motivation.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by ZiR RED View Post
    I still constribute some to epigenetics.

    Next, the total kcal consumption by children has only increased by 100 kcal/week between now and the 70's. If activity stayed the same, this is barely enough to contribute 1.5 pounds a year gain. Obviously, either the type of food (HFCS TSA, etc.) or the reduction in activity (internet and social media), or a combo of both heavily contributed toward the childhood epidemic.
    I agree with what you are saying and I think the biggest factor over even the food choices made is physical inactivity. I personally used to play sports for around 4 hours a day when I was in middle school and a teenager. I know a lot of children now that just sit on their butts at home eat potato chips and play video games all day. Canceling recess in schools is not helping the issue.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by bigdavid View Post
    The people on this website are mostly exceptional because we constantly think about our bodies and we think about what we eat and how much we need, etc. The general public does not think about their daily calories or obsess about lifting weights and looking a certain way. The general public eats based on taste, convenience, hunger, etc. It depends what type of person you are and how determined you are. There are so many factors that go into obesity. It is surely not all about being lazy.. it also has to do with environment, genetics, sometimes even knowledge. Though knowledge does not dictate behavior but that is a separate issue all together. The point that I am trying to make is that the general public is not comprised of athletes/bodybuilders and they do not think like we do or have the same type of motivation.
    Agreed. I think I can state this best, as I am probably the least of a bodybuilder on this site (currently, I'm working on it) I started at 382 pounds, been working my tail off to get to were I am. I can say this is a different type of motivation that I did not have before. It just started one day and I haven't looked back. It's a completely different mentality then I used to have.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by bigdavid
    The people on this website are mostly exceptional because we constantly think about our bodies and we think about what we eat and how much we need, etc. The general public does not think about their daily calories or obsess about lifting weights and looking a certain way. The general public eats based on taste, convenience, hunger, etc. It depends what type of person you are and how determined you are. There are so many factors that go into obesity. It is surely not all about being lazy.. it also has to do with environment, genetics, sometimes even knowledge. Though knowledge does not dictate behavior but that is a separate issue all together. The point that I am trying to make is that the general public is not comprised of athletes/bodybuilders and they do not think like we do or have the same type of motivation.
    Agreed as well....
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by bigdavid
    The people on this website are mostly exceptional because we constantly think about our bodies and we think about what we eat and how much we need, etc. The general public does not think about their daily calories or obsess about lifting weights and looking a certain way. The general public eats based on taste, convenience, hunger, etc. It depends what type of person you are and how determined you are. There are so many factors that go into obesity. It is surely not all about being lazy.. it also has to do with environment, genetics, sometimes even knowledge. Though knowledge does not dictate behavior but that is a separate issue all together. The point that I am trying to make is that the general public is not comprised of athletes/bodybuilders and they do not think like we do or have the same type of motivation.
    Yep, we all have anabolic minds.

  22. I still constribute some to epigenetics.

    Next, the total kcal consumption by children has only increased by 100 kcal/week between now and the 70's. If activity stayed the same, this is barely enough to contribute 1.5 pounds a year gain. Obviously, either the type of food (HFCS TSA, etc.) or the reduction in activity (internet and social media), or a combo of both heavily contributed toward the childhood epidemic.
    H Zir red,

    If you look at the average weight gain for the last 50 years it is only around 20lbs! What we call a 33% increase in obesity prevalence in a decade is a 5-10 lbs increase!

    And you have to understand where the obesity levels are increasing. The overweight category 25-30 BMI almost remain the same for the last 40 years. The changes are mainly due to the increase obesity in people over 30 BMI and over. Th obese are getting more obese it seems. So it is not that everyone is just getting obese when people say obesity epidemic!

    And guess what, since 2000, the obesity prevalence is plateauing in both adults & kids. So all the predictions we made from the 1990 data were wrong!

  23. Quote Originally Posted by anoopbal View Post
    H Zir red,

    If you look at the average weight gain for the last 50 years it is only around 20lbs! What we call a 33% increase in obesity prevalence in a decade is a 5-10 lbs increase!

    And you have to understand where the obesity levels are increasing. The overweight category 25-30 BMI almost remain the same for the last 40 years. The changes are mainly due to the increase obesity in people over 30 BMI and over. Th obese are getting more obese it seems. So it is not that everyone is just getting obese when people say obesity epidemic!

    And guess what, since 2000, the obesity prevalence is plateauing in both adults & kids. So all the predictions we made from the 1990 data were wrong!
    I agree with everything you just said. What were the 1990 data/predictions?

  24. Quote Originally Posted by anoopbal

    H Zir red,

    If you look at the average weight gain for the last 50 years it is only around 20lbs! What we call a 33% increase in obesity prevalence in a decade is a 5-10 lbs increase!

    And you have to understand where the obesity levels are increasing. The overweight category 25-30 BMI almost remain the same for the last 40 years. The changes are mainly due to the increase obesity in people over 30 BMI and over. Th obese are getting more obese it seems. So it is not that everyone is just getting obese when people say obesity epidemic!

    And guess what, since 2000, the obesity prevalence is plateauing in both adults & kids. So all the predictions we made from the 1990 data were wrong!
    This is interesting, can u elaborate further bro?

  25. Quote Originally Posted by CaseyW
    I disagree with these. All of these existed in the 20's 30's 40's 50's 60's but obestity wasn't a fraction of the problem it is today. It wasn't till modern day that so many people started getting fat. The big difference is fast food. These easy to grab and go meals have recked peoples bodytypes. In and of themseleves they are not terrible for a treat now and then, but too many people eat at least 1 FF meal a day if not all of them. I read about some small island or something where everyone was thin and they introduced fast food and now it's an obesity epedimic.

    It's people substituting crap for meals that is the problem, people have been drinking alcohol and eating candy and cookies and cakes for centuries.
    Yes agreed fast food is a big problem but what do you think makes fast food so addictive?? You'd be surprised at the amount of sugar in a mcdonalds burger, and the additional sodium they add to make you buy a drink that's again full of sugar!

  26. Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000

    Yes agreed fast food is a big problem but what do you think makes fast food so addictive?? You'd be surprised at the amount of sugar in a mcdonalds burger, and the additional sodium they add to make you buy a drink that's again full of sugar!
    Hell yeah its ridiculous especially when u look up the nutrition facts and see for yourself.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Stri8ed View Post
    This is interesting, can u elaborate further bro?
    Hi Zirred & DR. Stri8ed,

    I am writng an article soon about it. Probably the next one.

    And Zirered, we were expecting the obesity trends to increase like as in 1980's and 90's until 2050. But we are seeing a slowing down or a plateau in obesity. Some say it is because of the all the health policy's and some think we have a genetic plateau. I will send you the graphs.

  28. IMHO portion control in our diets is a huge under-appreciated part of the story.

    I am a firm believer that some people are destined to be thin genetically and others are not. But I can't deny what I also see - every single overweight person I know eats 2x as much food as the skinny ones.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by steve0003
    IMHO portion control in our diets is a huge under-appreciated part of the story.

    I am a firm believer that some people are destined to be thin genetically and others are not. But I can't deny what I also see - every single overweight person I know eats 2x as much food as the skinny ones.
    U make a good point. Personally I've never seen an overweight person eat less than a skinny person also. The rare occasions I eat fast food, I can go into a Mcdonald's and see a man that's obese eat way more than his son, who is not overweight.

  30. That's what I'm talking about.

    We usually see overweight people eating more than a skinny person. If it registers in our minds at all, then we usually just explain it to ourselves by thinking, "Yeah, it makes sense they're gonna eat more than I would eat, look at the huge body they're maintaining."

    But that's precisely the problem. They stay overweight because their intake has gradually adjusted upwards enough to maintain that huge body.
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