Cheat Meals...

[SwoleT]

Just curious to see what people think about this topic. Do yall think its neccesary to have a cheat me? If so, how often and what do u have as a cheat meal?

 

[wildman536]

Once a Week.

 

[Dwight Schrute]

The lower the bf% the more it is needed, the higher the bf% the less it is needed (if at all). If you do have one, make it high in starchy carboydrates, high in protein, and very low in fat.

 

[Chunky]

I do cheat once a week. It is not a big satured fat fast food hamburger, but only a high caloric food, so all I do is cardio afterward and bang, like I never cheated

 

[Sticks]

The lower the bf% the more it is needed, the higher the bf% the less it is needed (if at all). If you do have one, make it high in starchy carboydrates, high in protein, and very low in fat.

Damn there goes pizza.

 

[-2z-]

I can't get below 10% bf without a heavy cheat meal once a week. I believe it's completely necessary.

 

[Dwight Schrute]

It depends on the individual. I can get to single digits without one at all, its just less fun.

 

[beamen28]

i use every sunday as my cheat day! its a real nice break from unprocessed foods that tend to get boaring. i really feel its necessary to cheat once a week

 

[JBlaze]

2z and beamen, what do u guys consider "cheat meal" as everyone has a different def.

 

[beamen28]

i don't really use a cheat "meal". monday-saturday i stick strictly to unprocessed foods, (meats, rice, whole wheat carbs, and vegs, and thats about it) however on sunday i eat whatever i want. if i have a craving for fried chicken and mashed potatoes durring the week, ill waite till sunday and eat it then.

 

[JBlaze]

**** i wish i could take a whole day off. I eat pizza or a few burgers for a meal, and spend like 2-3 days making it up.

My cheat meal which i take every week and a half, consists of subway. I usually try to eat it PWO, it tends to work better for me.

 

[wildman536]

What do you Get from Subway.

 

[JBlaze]

usually a footlong turkey breast, ham, and roast beef sub w/ cheese, meat, and veggies.

it's 6g of fat per 6" sub not counting cheese,

In the end i get around 700 calories, 100g carbs, 20g fat, 55g protein. I consider this more of a refeed than a cheat meal really.

Usually i eat around 250g carbs a day, this boosts me to 330g.

 

[NPursuit]

usually a footlong turkey breast, ham, and roast beef sub w/ cheese, meat, and veggies.

it's 6g of fat per 6" sub not counting cheese,

In the end i get around 700 calories, 100g carbs, 20g fat, 55g protein. I consider this more of a refeed than a cheat meal really.

Usually i eat around 250g carbs a day, this boosts me to 330g.

Cheat right or don't cheat at all. What's wrong with you?

 

[jminis]

Chinese food is the best cheat meal. Terrible for ya but damn it taste good. It's high in carbs, protein, and the fat well we won't talk about that. :blink:

 

[wildman536]

there must be something wrong with me because i dont like Chinese Food for some reason??

 

[JBlaze]

Cheat right or don't cheat at all. What's wrong with you?

I love to see the fat people order a footlong w/ mayo and cheese and oils w/ a bag of chips. And top it off w/ an atkins salad drenched in dressing. :thumbsup:

But of course it's healthy, i mean...subway!

 

[NPursuit]

I love to see the fat people order a footlong w/ mayo and cheese and oils w/ a bag of chips. And top it off w/ an atkins salad drenched in dressing. :thumbsup:

But of course it's healthy, i mean...subway!

Yeah that's just wrong. I meant something like a pound of vermicelli with a ton of 90% ground beef and marinara sauce.

 

[beamen28]

i love the olive garden. haha

 

[exnihilo]

My refeeds on UD2 are in the area of 11,000 calories and 1800-2000g of carbohydrates in the 24 hour period from thursday post workout till friday bedtime.

Ex Nihilo

 

[Dwight Schrute]

Thats why my progress completely stalled on UD2. I like many of Lyle's theoreis but many just didn't pan out for me as far as results. I actually tried this diet with my gf who is a fitness competitor and the fact that this diet is tailored to the more disciplined bodybuilder and we both encountered the same results. We just stalled out. We also felt like **** because of the extreme changes in diet during a week peroid. After carb days I was extremely lethargic and my workout were horrible all around on this diet. This just reinforced my belief that most of the fluctuations in this diet are just not needed, at least for me.

 

[exnihilo]

Thats why my progress completely stalled on UD2. I like many of Lyle's theoreis but many just didn't pan out for me as far as results. I actually tried this diet with my gf who is a fitness competitor and the fact that this diet is tailored to the more disciplined bodybuilder and we both encountered the same results. We just stalled out. We also felt like **** because of the extreme changes in diet during a week peroid. After carb days I was extremely lethargic and my workout were horrible all around on this diet. This just reinforced my belief that most of the fluctuations in this diet are just not needed, at least for me.

I have basal low cortisol levels, UD2 actually works quite well for me. I can totally maintain my weight going as low as 2400cal/day completely clean with large amounts of cardio and stimulants - ketogenic diets produce some minor results but the only real trick for me seems to be severe caloric restriction... This unfortunately also seems to cause somewhat significant strength losses, which the UD2 protocol cleanly obviates.

Ex

 

[Dwight Schrute]

I work with people with similar problems and they do respond well to higher amounts of calories if the timing of certain nutrients are correct. It just sounds to me that you worry about the minutia then worrying about some of the basics.

If you actually can't lose weight at those levels with the weight you are, then I would see an endocrinologist because it sounds like you have a medical condition.

You sounds like many people who use ketogenic diets for a prolonged peroid of time. I would look for another option because the way you are fluctuating in weight, talking about coritsol, having difficulty at losing weight at 2400 calories and being at your bf%, this clearly is not working that well for you.

You shouldn't struggle this much with dieting.

 

[exnihilo]

I work with people with similar problems and they do respond well to higher amounts of calories if the timing of certain nutrients are correct. It just sounds to me that you worry about the minutia then worrying about some of the basics.

If you actually can't lose weight at those levels with the weight you are, then I would see an endocrinologist because it sounds like you have a medical condition.

You sounds like many people who use ketogenic diets for a prolonged peroid of time. I would look for another option because the way you are fluctuating in weight, talking about coritsol, having difficulty at losing weight at 2400 calories and being at your bf%, this clearly is not working that well for you.

You shouldn't struggle this much with dieting.

regular isocaloric diets currently work very poorly for me. UD2 seems to work pretty well. I'm not a huge fan of ketogenic diets and prefer to avoid them when possible (I'd only done ketogenic diet once previously and while the weight loss was acceptable, the strength loss was not), in the last year or so I've had poor results with even very strict isocaloric diets (prior to that I never had any problems losing weight quickly). As far as overlooking the basics - I had a 3 week plateau consuming 2400cal/day, with an hour of low intensity cardio every day, in addition to consistent weight training about 4 times a week - after the first week with no weight loss I added clenbuterol, and after 2 further weeks of no loss I decided to eat normally then switch dieting protocols.

I have had basal low cortisol levels all my life (not that this should cause anything drastic). I am getting the results of a blood panel tomorrow, but my guess is that my T3/T4 levels are going to be quite low as well. I have been reluctant to push to see a specialist because I currently have no insurance, and in all other regards I feel great. It certainly is a hassle that I have had to resort to drastic measures to see any significant weight loss, I may end up pushing the issue at my next doctor's visit.

 

[SwoleT]

So im about to cut...I'm 13.5%BF. I was thinkin a cheat meal every 7-10 days. I've read pizza is a good choice for a cheat meal... But i dont want to jepordize my goals. I want to see my abs. How often should I cheat and what should I cheat with?

 

[Dwight Schrute]

As far as overlooking the basics - I had a 3 week plateau consuming 2400cal/day, with an hour of low intensity cardio every day, in addition to consistent weight training about 4 times a week - after the first week with no weight loss I added clenbuterol, and after 2 further weeks of no loss I decided to eat normally then switch dieting protocols.

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That really doens't say much. You could have dropped calories at a faster rate than you should. You could have been consuming the wrong calories at the wrong times. There are a million variables. You hormone levels could be so out of whack that you wouldn't lose weight on a 2000 cal/day diet. The proper diet does not just include calories and macros, it encompasses different amounts of calories and macros accoridng to muscle groups, exercise type and body type. After that then you have the problem of knowing when to drop calories and what macros to drop in the right amounts so you won't stall out. This is what you have to find out and if you did it properly with all those factors invovled you probably would lose weight on a 2400 calorie diet and you mioght not even need to go THAT low. There are just so many variables to consider when we are talking about getting to single digits or breaking plateaus.


In all serisousness, I've heard stories like your plenty of times and went through something similar (thinking i need to severly cut calories to see results). But after all the frustration I went back to the basic and attacked it logically and with proven methods. After that, it was just tweaking small things that made the difference. My clients will tell you the same and the majority of them (almost 90%) used CKD's or forms of ketogenic diets. They won't do that again....

 

[Dwight Schrute]

So im about to cut...I'm 13.5%BF. I was thinkin a cheat meal every 7-10 days. I've read pizza is a good choice for a cheat meal... But i dont want to jepordize my goals. I want to see my abs. How often should I cheat and what should I cheat with?

This was already answrered.

 

[wildman536]

Eat The Pizza and keep your Diet Straight for the Week!!

 

[Manu20]

I eat cheat meals probably more than I should but for the most part I keep my diet in check the rest of the time so I don't feel as bad having some cheat meals.

 

[JBlaze]

I've read pizza is a good choice for a cheat meal...

where did u read that pizza was a good cheat meal?

 

[vrykolaka]

I started making my own pizza from scratch on Sundays. That way at least I know what goes in them.

I'm a huge fan of Chicago style deep dish, so I make bar-b-que chicken deep dish with low (mixed with no) fat cheese and using wheat for the the crust. Throw in no-fat turkey sausage and grilled veggies with stewed chunk tomatos for sauce.....mmmmm.

That's usually my cheat meal.

A few months ago, though, I was bad. I'd almost died in February and couldn't work out for a while...my cardio-vascular system was shot. Fried chicken called to me so many times during that... :frustrate

 

[supersoldier]

My favorite "cheat meal" is about 1/4-1/3 of a liter of 100 proof Smirnoff mixed with Diet Cherry 7up, and a bit of caffeine/yohimbine powder. Vasopro as needed. That's "pre-workout". During/Post "workout" Miller Lite, enough to constantly have one in my hand. With the right "supplementation" I often have a good "training" session.

Don't mind me. :drunk: :whip:

 

[SwoleT]

magaizines, this site and other sites

 

[Skark]

Ya'll are freakin NUTS on this......Subway as a CHEAT meal? :frustrate You diet your ASS off and THAT is your reward? :trout:

OK, here is how a true fat-ass iron worshipper has a cheat meal. Pick a restaurant......order the LEFT side of the menu......make sure they leave a pitcher of Coke on the table......now here is the tricky part......you must pick out 40% of the stuff off the dessert tray, while still looking cool enough to ask the waitress out. Then stagger out before succumbing to a diabetic coma.

You may now return to your baked chicken breast topped with tuna fish, or whatever the hell you are suffering through the rest of the week on. :whip:

 

[cr4ytonic]

My cheat meals are not eating like a weirdo when I go out to eat with friends.

 

[Dwight Schrute]

Ya'll are freakin NUTS on this......Subway as a CHEAT meal? :frustrate You diet your ASS off and THAT is your reward? :trout:

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Yes, its called being a bodybuilder.

 

[JBlaze]

You diet your ASS off and THAT is your reward? :trout:

Thats exactly why i dont pig out, BECAUSE i diet my ass off. I can't afford to go and throw it away by eating junk.

Having a great body is my reward. Not having a few slices of pizza or burgers yet having to hide my body behind baggy shirts as a result.

 

[SwoleT]

In magazines, and on this site and other sites. It was confusing thats why i posted this. Wanted to know what you all do.

 

[Edge]

Umm why was my post deleted? Is this a communist board or something?

 

[Tahq]

My cheat meal, Sunday at lunch, vary some weeks I keep it pretty 'clean' other weeks like today I go ugly...Big Mac, Quarter Pounder, 10 pc nuggets, large fry, and for good measure I powered down a Snickers (Candy is an unusual rarity!). Now if that does not stop my heart by midnight nothing will!

 

[Dwight Schrute]

Umm why was my post deleted? Is this a communist board or something?

Why were you being a wise ass or did I misinterpret you?


If I did I am sorry but I wasn't trying to be a wise ass to him either. The life of a bodybuilder getting to low bf% is tough. What was wrong with my answer?

 

[-2z-]

2z and beamen, what do u guys consider "cheat meal" as everyone has a different def.

It kind of depends. When I first start cutting, I'll have a cheat "meal" the first week or 2, once a week.
Then, later, I'll cheat untill lunch. Then later, at the end, it's from morning to bedtime. I don't think everyone can do
that, but my fat loss will stall out if I don't.

As for foods, I usually try to keep it to a carb fest, with low fat. It doesn't always work though...lol.

The key for me is to make sure I still get the right amount of protein that day, even if it means having a protein shake
with my chocolate chip cookie.

And yes.....Subway is a cheat meal. :thumbsup:

 

[Edge]

Ofcourse my post gets deleted again.. Truth hurts eh

 

[JBlaze]

Ofcourse my post gets deleted again.. Truth hurts eh

Shut the hell up w/ your bullshit. Is it not enough that we overlook the fact you're a fucken 17 year old whose asking questions of PHs and nolvadex?

Now u want to give someone **** for deleting a post that was completely retarded at best?

 

[Dwight Schrute]

Well I PM'ed him kindly asking why there is such a stick up his ass. Oh well, I did try and I did apoligize for maybe misinterpretting him but its easy to criticize the one who makes decisiosns when you have none to make.

He is just one of those angry teenagers who just doen'sat like anyone or anything....lol....all that rage built up over being white and middle class....LMAO!

In any case, I don't lose sleep over it or give it a second thought.

 

[Edge]

Shut the hell up w/ your bullshit. Is it not enough that we overlook the fact you're a fucken 17 year old whose asking questions of PHs and nolvadex?

Now u want to give someone **** for deleting a post that was completely retarded at best?

Surprise Surprise the superfriends team up once again.

 

[Dwight Schrute]

With our capes.

 

[Dwight Schrute]

Surprise Surprise the superfriends team up once again.

We love you edge. We just want you to be happy man.....


:rofl:

 

[JBlaze]

Surprise Surprise the superfriends team up once again.

You're a fucken bitch, a few months ago you BULKED up to 185lbs by gaining 30 lbs? So you were what 155 before your bulk? Impressive!

Must not have been to clean considering all the fucken clen cycles you had to run post cycle saying you needed to bust your gut?

Seems like you need to be READING the diet section, not POSTING smartass remarks.

 

[Edge]

You're a fucken bitch, a few months ago you BULKED up to 185lbs by gaining 30 lbs? So you were what 155 before your bulk? Impressive!

Must not have been to clean considering all the fucken clen cycles you had to run post cycle saying you needed to bust your gut?

Seems like you need to be READING the diet section, not POSTING smartass remarks.

I believe I peaked at 195 but I dieted down to 185 first before running clen. I didnt use it for fat burning purposes. I used it for anticatabolic morning cardio.