Cut calories or Cut carbs?

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  1. Mate,
    Just be smart with your timing that's it. Plain and simple. Breakfast. Pre and post workout...simple!!!!!!
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by AustrianOakJr View Post
    It seems like everyone on this forum is on this "insulin-fat-storage-dogma-thing". Meal timing is really a much lesser issue than people make it out to be. I do agree that the MOST OPTIMAL place to eat is an hour (give or take) before and an hour (give or take) after your workouts. Beyond that, whether you stack the rest of your carbs/calories at breakfast, lunch, or right before bed makes very little difference in your physique. The type of carbs you consume makes very little difference in body composition. The extremist will always argue something ridiculous like "what if someone eats pure honey all day long?" or something stupid like that. But bringing the discussion back to reality......it doesnt matter if you have white rice or brown, sweet potato or white, bread and pasta or oatmeal. Variety is the spice of life.
    I can't tell if you're trying to have a discussion here or if you're having an argument for argument's sake. I was saying type of carbs and when you take them matter, and you're saying they do but that they don't? Fact is they do. And the difference between those food items you listed is too minimal, obviously, which is why I specified type of carb matters. I don't want someone thinking eating poptarts or a snickers with that chicken breast every few hours is ok so long as he keeps to his caloric needs. It's not. That carb choice is completely unhealthy, and this is not only backed with science but by the thousands upon thousands of poor attempts at cutting by those who maintain inconsistent diets. Thus my first point: carb choices matter.

    Why timing? Exercise and fasting has an effect on insulin resistance, bringing it down. Sparing us the science, mostly because I've had too long of a day, the more sensitive you are to insulin, the more you drive nutrients into muscle cells and not adipose tissue. Which is again why eating that icecream right before bed, while it sounds like a good idea, probably isn't if you're trying to get shredded.

    And your sig mentions you're a pro natural bodybuilder. So what is your own personal approach to your own diet if you're trying to cut to say 8, or 7, or 6% bf? Eating whatever, whenever?

    Lastly, I love variety in my diet, so don't get me wrong there

    And if you are a highly active person in a calorie deficit insulin control is not really worth worrying about.
    But that is on a case by case basis. That's not the way it always is.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by runner_79 View Post
    Mate,
    Just be smart with your timing that's it. Plain and simple. Breakfast. Pre and post workout...simple!!!!!!
    Basically

  4. then when things start to plateau. you can use carbs to kick start the cutting phase too. Speed up metabolism and make for more hunger which will satisfy a carb 'craving' but then in turn can help make you look fuller and vascular...sorta like the Cyclic low carb stick...
    ...::: Olympus Labs Athlete & Representative :::...
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by Torobestia View Post

    And your sig mentions you're a pro natural bodybuilder. So what is your own personal approach to your own diet if you're trying to cut to say 8, or 7, or 6% bf? Eating whatever, whenever?

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    It seems like I am getting into this discussion on a number of threads and people are thinking im freaking nuts or something. But I have simply been taught by other great professionals and have learned to ignore a lot of the bro-science dogma. My approach to dieting is that there are no foods off limits to me. I have set macro-nutrient targets I hit every day and if the food choice fits within those numbers I eat it. Do I eat snickers bars every day? No. But I do eat ice cream before bed just about every night. Well, its frozen yogurt, but whatever. I cover my micro-nutritional bases and get a good amount of fiber in my diet but I eat pretty much whatever I want. And I am naturally very endo morphic. I could be 10 lbs heavier by the end of the week if I wanted to be. I put on weight very fast if I am not diligently tracking my calorie intake. And I can assure you thats all it comes down to......counting and tracking. Insulin control is not even on my radar screen and I achieve low single digit BF percentages. As you lean out, insulin control is even less of an issue because you naturally become very insulin sensitive. And even if insulin should spike in a given meal....who the heck cares? You are in an overall deficit so therefore insulin falls when the carbs have been processed and now you are back into "fat burning mode". It all comes out in the end. We store fat, we burn it, we store, we burn.....all day long. Its the NET STORAGE that makes a difference in body composition.
    Sean Campbell
    Pro Natural Bodybuilder
    NRC Sponsored Athlete - Cabergolean.com
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1

    The zone I think is more for me 40c/30f/30p
    What's your opinion on that?
    If it works for you go for it, you have to experiment it took me a 6 months of tweaking to find out what I needed. If that doesn't hit the spot for you try reading up on the anabolic diet 2.0

  7. Here is my experience.
    I Am a low carber. Beloved in wholegrains. Had them post w/o for brekky. Kept burping.
    My lower stomach looked bloated.

    Dropped all grains.
    Lower bloat gone but I have some sucutaneous fat there. I also dropped 2kg from 77.3 to 75kg. I now eat yams and sweet potato instead and hold the weight.
    No bloat, feel much better and best of all,



    NO BURPING
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by runner_79
    Here is my experience.
    I Am a low carber. Beloved in wholegrains. Had them post w/o for brekky. Kept burping.
    My lower stomach looked bloated.

    Dropped all grains.
    Lower bloat gone but I have some sucutaneous fat there. I also dropped 2kg from 77.3 to 75kg. I now eat yams and sweet potato instead and hold the weight.
    No bloat, feel much better and best of all,

    NO BURPING
    Glad I don't have this problem. I'm running late for work. So it's some chick fil a for breakfast. Have not had garbage all week and I usually wait until Saturday or Sunday but not today....
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by runner_79 View Post
    Here is my experience.
    I Am a low carber. Beloved in wholegrains. Had them post w/o for brekky. Kept burping.
    My lower stomach looked bloated.

    Dropped all grains.
    Lower bloat gone but I have some sucutaneous fat there. I also dropped 2kg from 77.3 to 75kg. I now eat yams and sweet potato instead and hold the weight.
    No bloat, feel much better and best of all,



    NO BURPING
    Sounds like you are a bit intolerant to gluten perhaps? I have a similar reaction to potatoe skins. Man, does it make for some serious gas issues! LOL. I peel the potatoes and im fine.

    Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1 View Post
    Glad I don't have this problem. I'm running late for work. So it's some chick fil a for breakfast. Have not had garbage all week and I usually wait until Saturday or Sunday but not today....
    Beauty about chic-fil-a is that they list all their nutrition in a pretty handy format.....and you can actually eat pretty well there. When I go there, ill get the grilled sammich, a small potato wedge, and a diet coke and come out with a pretty balanced meal macro-wise.
    Sean Campbell
    Pro Natural Bodybuilder
    NRC Sponsored Athlete - Cabergolean.com

  10. Quote Originally Posted by AustrianOakJr

    Sounds like you are a bit intolerant to gluten perhaps? I have a similar reaction to potatoe skins. Man, does it make for some serious gas issues! LOL. I peel the potatoes and im fine.

    Beauty about chic-fil-a is that they list all their nutrition in a pretty handy format.....and you can actually eat pretty well there. When I go there, ill get the grilled sammich, a small potato wedge, and a diet coke and come out with a pretty balanced meal macro-wise.
    Yeah. I ate a bacon biscuit and some hasbrowns and a sweet tea. I think I'll be alright.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1 View Post
    Yeah. I ate a bacon biscuit and some hasbrowns and a sweet tea. I think I'll be alright.
    Well, your meal was 21g of protein/ 92g of carbs, and 42g of fat. You ate my entire day's worth of fat in one sitting. He he!
    Sean Campbell
    Pro Natural Bodybuilder
    NRC Sponsored Athlete - Cabergolean.com

  12. Quote Originally Posted by AustrianOakJr

    Well, your meal was 21g of protein/ 92g of carbs, and 42g of fat. You ate my entire day's worth of fat in one sitting. He he!
    Not a lot of fat... Honest question, do you find it hard to get aroused and be sexually active with such a lowish fat intake?
    Curious. What fat sources do you get your fat from?
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  13. lmao you guys are silly
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by AustrianOakJr

    Well, your meal was 21g of protein/ 92g of carbs, and 42g of fat. You ate my entire day's worth of fat in one sitting. He he!
    I need about 80g of fat a day.
    Thx for the calculation
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by runner_79 View Post
    Not a lot of fat... Honest question, do you find it hard to get aroused and be sexually active with such a lowish fat intake?
    Curious. What fat sources do you get your fat from?
    Fat intake is closely tied to testosterone and other hormone production. Heck, cholesterol is a main building block. But I find 40-50g of fat is enough to support me hormonally. I wont take it lower than 40 unless I am REALLLY pushing for the last pound or so. The biggest factor effecting my libido is bodyfat level. Libido takes a dive when I get lean.....if im above 9-10% BF, I am like a 16 yr old kid......I drop below 7-8% BF, i start to lose my interest and by the time I am stage-lean its all but completely gone. I dont care how high your fat intake is, if you are eating below maintenance at 4-5% BF, you will crash hormonally.
    Sean Campbell
    Pro Natural Bodybuilder
    NRC Sponsored Athlete - Cabergolean.com

  16. Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1 View Post
    I need about 80g of fat a day.
    Thx for the calculation
    Thats the beauty of the chic-fil-a. They have that fancy online calculator and you just plug in your meal. Makes it too easy.

    Highest I usually get with fat is 65g a day in full blown off season.
    Sean Campbell
    Pro Natural Bodybuilder
    NRC Sponsored Athlete - Cabergolean.com

  17. Quote Originally Posted by AustrianOakJr View Post
    And I am naturally very endo morphic. I could be 10 lbs heavier by the end of the week if I wanted to be. I put on weight very fast if I am not diligently tracking my calorie intake. And I can assure you thats all it comes down to......counting and tracking. Insulin control is not even on my radar screen and I achieve low single digit BF percentages. As you lean out, insulin control is even less of an issue because you naturally become very insulin sensitive. And even if insulin should spike in a given meal....who the heck cares? You are in an overall deficit so therefore insulin falls when the carbs have been processed and now you are back into "fat burning mode". It all comes out in the end. We store fat, we burn it, we store, we burn.....all day long. Its the NET STORAGE that makes a difference in body composition.
    I think this is a very fair point. You're right, that happens, so if you're at that point in body composition you can probably be more relaxed.

    I think overall it's important to emphasize carb timing to people, as there are a lot of people with different body types and lifestyles coming here checking for advice on how to drop weight. And carb timing will aid in achieving great results no less than 95% of the supplements one might buy.

    As an aside, I know what you mean about being an endo. When I began bodybuilding I thought bulking meant not keeping track of what you eat, loosely speaking. Plus, I had this GDA supplement I received for free and I actually trusted that it would allow me to push the boundaries even more. So after a while I decided to bulk, and, well, long story short I put on about 30lbs in 3 weeks. It was not fun undoing that mess haha. (P.S. no, this was not from eating a McD's every day as I don't like to eat trash personally).

  18. One thing I learn is to try and stay around a good weight or to stay "lean" or how ever you want to be year round.

    Here's the deal. No fun trying to add 30lbs just as well it's no fun trying to lose 30lbs. People trying to swell up to 230 from 200 then go back down & then back up. In my opinion unless you're a pro cleanly add weight if thats what you're after; may take longer but it's quality we are after.

    There is no instant gratification in this sport.
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