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    Losing weight - I think Milk is hindering my efforts


    I have a feeling that milk/dairy could be causing me problems in cutting. I use milk a lot in protein shakes, like cheese etc...

    If this is true and I were to go off milk entirely .... how soon could I expect to see results in the mirror? 2 weeks?

    I am trying to gauge how quickly one can gauge if a certain food type is causing them issue ( how soon they might expect to see results ).

    I seem to recall that when I was at my leanest, I was also drinking skim milk.

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    You could be sensitive to milk. It can be pro inflammatory. If possible try dropping it for 30 days then take a pic, note how you feel, then drink some milk.
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    It has certain muscle building properties in it... Epi growth factor is what I think it's called from memory.
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    Have you calculated your calories ? It could also be that the milk in your shakes is giving you excess calories perhaps ?
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    Ahhhh. Basic!
    True... Excess caloric intake and possible systemic inflammation
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    There was a time when I fasted and generally ate very little for months. So I know for sure my calories were not the issue. ( and yet, still had this remaining belly and back fat ).

    I'm gonna try dropping all dairy ( despite its muscle building properties ), find protein by other means and see how it goes. Waking up today I already feel a bit less bloated/soft.
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    Do you appear to be bloated? If so, I'f say you have a minor milk allergy (it could be from either the lactose or the casein).
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    I think I do appear to be bloated / soft ( a combination of minor bloat along with fat on lower abs, obliques and lower back ) ... I noticed that in the mornings it was less so ( as I have done this morning ) but figured it was just a result of the fasted overnight state. I'm not overweight 5'9" 195, around 12% BF I think. At one point I was running, weights etc... trying to throw everything at it and nothing was seeming to work.

    Do you know if dairy is the cause of bloating/soft look in some people... whats actually going on inside the body causing this?

    Anyway give this a shot, though I love dairy ( LOVE IT ) its going to be hard, so the pay offs have to be worth it.

    IF I can know for sure that I can easily lose this extra fat, I can be happy to maintain my current look ( while still eating dairy ) while I bulk up. Its not that I look bad..... but I could look a few degrees better and I know this.

    I've utterly failed at cutting this season... I want to know why I can't really get ripped and what stopped me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by protoculture View Post

    I've utterly failed at cutting this season... I want to know why I can't really get ripped and what stopped me.
    I've found, from personal experience, that cutting works best when done in short cycles. For example, I'll go on a cutting phase for 8-12 weeks at the most and eat slightly above maintenance for 3-4 weeks and repeat. Carb cycling can also be beneficial if you're stuck. If you're willing to be more extreme than AAS, T3, ECA or Clen will be helpful but that's not something every person wants to play with.
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    OK, so I've been off dairy for a few days and I think its working.

    Could be placebo.... but that soft look I had seems to be going away. I will try and keep this thread updated on my progress. Prob should take before after pics as well.
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    Milk makes me fatter than anything

    I use the Smart Balance brand milk, fat free, but tastes like 2% and it seems to make me feel least fat
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    Valeo milk (if you can find it) is a great choice for lactose allergies. Its lactose free, higher in protein and lower in CHO than skim milk.

    I'd also suggest a lactase enzyme and a probiotic containing lacto strains if you decide to consume milk after discontinuing it for a while.

    Goat cheese is also lactose free, and greek yogurt is low lactose. Cabot cheddar is lactose free as well.

    (I have a lactose intolerance)

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    Its the sugar in the milk that ****s ur fat loss.
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    Cut the milk... Cut the dairy if u want a lean cut physique u don't need it... If u do have milk unsweetened almond milk but milk has alot of fat and sugar bro common sense should tell u too avoid it
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    What about cottage cheese?
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    Quote Originally Posted by protoculture
    What about cottage cheese?
    Cut out dairy for a week or 2. See how you perform...up the fats a little.
    40% protein
    30 carbs
    30 fats

    Adjust to higher fats after a month at this and start to weed out grains. Use sweet potato/yams as carbs around workouts. Then start to add in coconut meats as a snack for energy from saturated fats.
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    Same thing I posted on a similar topic...

    Unsweetened almond milk = the way to go.

    Good fats, good taste, good calories, can't go wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bla55 View Post
    Same thing I posted on a similar topic...

    Unsweetened almond milk = the way to go.

    Good fats, good taste, good calories, can't go wrong.
    This is what is working for me. 5 weeks ago I started a cut dropped milk entirely (besides fat free cottage cheese). Love almond milk you can get unsweetened vanilla flavor too. Anyway, I have gone from 175 to 160 and from 17.4%BF to 13.1% not bad. I cycle carbs as well. Refeed every 3 days.


    (I just noticed the last time I posted on here I was 189lbs!) Need to update my profile.
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    Dropping dairy alltogether will hinder fat burning. Lyle mcdonald wrote an article about it on his website, something about calcium helping with fat loss or something
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    Calcium is in veggies...keto/low carb paleo + refers once a week... Smash it.
    I'm a runner and do 50% fats 30 pro 20 % carbs. I train at 75% + all the time.
    Just takes a tad to get used to and boom...it's amazing
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    Calcium is in veggies...
    Fo Sho++. Not to mention u can get a quality calcium supplement (w D3) for about $10.00 that lasts months. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stri8ted25 View Post
    Fo Sho++. Not to mention u can get a quality calcium supplement (w D3) for about $10.00 that lasts months. lol
    Cal-Mag Citrate with D3 by Millennium Sports Tech.
    or honestly, eat lots of lean protein and that should retain the calcium in the liver to help utilise all the veggies' calcium.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rab71 View Post
    This is what is working for me. 5 weeks ago I started a cut dropped milk entirely (besides fat free cottage cheese). Love almond milk you can get unsweetened vanilla flavor too. Anyway, I have gone from 175 to 160 and from 17.4%BF to 13.1% not bad. I cycle carbs as well. Refeed every 3 days.


    (I just noticed the last time I posted on here I was 189lbs!) Need to update my profile.
    Almond milk is ok but honestly, we should try to minimise the omega 6:3 ratio
    almonds are midly high in Polyunsaturated fats.
    Just drink Coconut milk..YES it has SATURATED FATS but they are Medium Chain. Produce energy and fat burning.
    Couple that with less than 50grams a day for carbs and 35% protein, rest from fats...BOOM!!! smash any plateau
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    Just drink Coconut milk..YES it has SATURATED FATS but they are Medium Chain.
    ++. Very quality MCT. The organic NON-hydrogenated coconut oil is great to do eggs w too. Mine melts at 78 degree F.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stri8ted25

    ++. Very quality MCT. The organic NON-hydrogenated coconut oil is great to do eggs w too. Mine melts at 78 degree F.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stri8ted25

    ++. Very quality MCT. The organic NON-hydrogenated coconut oil is great to do eggs w too. Mine melts at 78 degree F.
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    Quote Originally Posted by protoculture View Post
    There was a time when I fasted and generally ate very little for months. So I know for sure my calories were not the issue. ( and yet, still had this remaining belly and back fat )...I'm not overweight 5'9" 195, around 12% BF I think.
    If calories weren't the issue then were you losing muscle as fast as you were losing fat? Or were you not losing weight at all?(then calories and the whole approach was the issue)
    What do you mean 12% BF "I think"? Are you just guessing?
    Quote Originally Posted by rab71 View Post
    This is what is working for me. 5 weeks ago I started a cut dropped milk entirely (besides fat free cottage cheese). Love almond milk you can get unsweetened vanilla flavor too. Anyway, I have gone from 175 to 160 and from 17.4%BF to 13.1% not bad. I cycle carbs as well. Refeed every 3 days.
    That's not that good either. Out of 15 lbs lost 5.51 lbs was lean/muscle...
    Quote Originally Posted by Turnitup122 View Post
    Dropping dairy alltogether will hinder fat burning. Lyle mcdonald wrote an article about it on his website, something about calcium helping with fat loss or something
    It's not the calcium.
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/conte...-preserve-365/
    I drink 10oz of milk(whole) everyday before bed. I'm 11% BF and dropping.
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    Simple now:
    Weight loss equation: intake < exertion
    Fat loss: nutrient timing and manipulation (preferred)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vengeance187 View Post
    If calories weren't the issue then were you losing muscle as fast as you were losing fat? Or were you not losing weight at all?(then calories and the whole approach was the issue)
    What do you mean 12% BF "I think"? Are you just guessing?That's not that good either. Out of 15 lbs lost 5.51 lbs was lean/muscle...It's not the calcium.
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    I drink 10oz of milk(whole) everyday before bed. I'm 11% BF and dropping.
    actually it is the calcium

    http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20000...m-low-fat-diet

    i dont know why you said it wasn't the calcium....then posted a link that said that higher dairy [higher calcium] diets showed better fatloss...
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    Quote Originally Posted by runner_79 View Post
    Almond milk is ok but honestly, we should try to minimise the omega 6:3 ratio
    almonds are midly high in Polyunsaturated fats.
    Just drink Coconut milk..YES it has SATURATED FATS but they are Medium Chain. Produce energy and fat burning.
    Couple that with less than 50grams a day for carbs and 35% protein, rest from fats...BOOM!!! smash any plateau
    Agree on the coconut.

    Almond's are very very very low in omega-6 fatty acid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soontobbeast View Post
    actually it is the calcium

    http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20000...m-low-fat-diet

    i dont know why you said it wasn't the calcium....then posted a link that said that higher dairy [higher calcium] diets showed better fatloss...
    Calcium is involved in a number of intracellular processes...actually, Ca signalling is involved in nearly every peripheral intracellular process. Thus, being Ca deficient would hinder lipolysis and beta oxidation.

    I'm a big proponent of greek yogurt. Its high in protein, contains a number of beneficial bacteria (and as you'll see when ever the article gets posted, these can be very important to body composition), is nearly lactose free, and high in calcium. And its very versatile in cooking.
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    i also read that very high calcium intake increases T levels significantly....same thing with magnesium.
    For me, the action IS the juice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by runner_79 View Post
    Almond milk is ok but honestly, we should try to minimise the omega 6:3 ratio
    almonds are midly high in Polyunsaturated fats.
    Just drink Coconut milk..YES it has SATURATED FATS but they are Medium Chain. Produce energy and fat burning.
    Couple that with less than 50grams a day for carbs and 35% protein, rest from fats...BOOM!!! smash any plateau
    Just a quick comment on this though; Coconut Milk is on the MCT train, which is bad for any keto diets. MCT will kick you out of keto like it's its job, so I would highly advise against coconut milk if you're in any sort of high fat low carb diet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bla55 View Post
    Just a quick comment on this though; Coconut Milk is on the MCT train, which is bad for any keto diets. MCT will kick you out of keto like it's its job, so I would highly advise against coconut milk if you're in any sort of high fat low carb diet.
    its funny you say that, ive read on a couple low carb forums that people use MCTs to get INTO ketosis faster.

    lol. i really don't know/care either way since i dont use it anyway but its still ironic. you're probably right
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    Quote Originally Posted by soontobbeast View Post
    i also read that very high calcium intake increases T levels significantly....same thing with magnesium.
    Is that taking someone who is Ca/Mg deficient and then supplementing them increases T significantly, or is this done in someone who consumes nutriotionally adequate levels of Ca/Mg.

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    btw: I feel like much of our country (lay population) gets plenty of Ca and is deficient in Mg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZiR RED View Post
    Is that taking someone who is Ca/Mg deficient and then supplementing them increases T significantly, or is this done in someone who consumes nutriotionally adequate levels of Ca/Mg.

    Br

    btw: I feel like much of our country (lay population) gets plenty of Ca and is deficient in Mg.
    ill just let you read the studies. i haven't read them in a while, so i'm a bit unsure of their conclusiveness.

    http://www.ergo-log.com/calciumt.html

    http://www.ergo-log.com/magnesiumtestosterone.html

    i just googled these. i think these are the ones i was thinking about
    For me, the action IS the juice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZiR RED View Post
    Is that taking someone who is Ca/Mg deficient and then supplementing them increases T significantly, or is this done in someone who consumes nutriotionally adequate levels of Ca/Mg.

    Br

    btw: I feel like much of our country (lay population) gets plenty of Ca and is deficient in Mg.
    It's mainly this. The benefits that are seen come from populations that are deficient. I remember about 6-7 years when calcium became huge for fat loss based off of these studies, but they didn't take the population into account.
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    Quote Originally Posted by soontobbeast View Post
    its funny you say that, ive read on a couple low carb forums that people use MCTs to get INTO ketosis faster.

    lol. i really don't know/care either way since i dont use it anyway but its still ironic. you're probably right
    LOL that is quite funny indeed.

    It all began when I for some reason wasn't getting my keto stix to show me keto... It used to be to the fact that I would at least show "some" ketones (seeing that I was under maintenance, not a whole lot of ketones coming out pee wise) but all of a sudden I was peeing straight up blanks, no reaction. So I went back to see what the heck had changed, I mean, I had increased my fat intake quite a bit (had started using a lot of coconut oil).

    At the time I was also reading the Metabolic Diet book, and in one of the chapters he highlights that Coconut Oil will knock you out. I don't have the book available right now or else would post that again, and can't really find where it was that I posted here on AM about that. Researching some more it seems as there are a few mixed reviews here and there, so IDK, perhaps on a cyclical carb diet they aren't ok but on a full keto they are? Not 100% sure but I know it seemed to kick me out and that's what was also said on the Metabolic Diet book.

    Edit:

    Found the book in my sent mails, here it is:

    Medium chain triglycerides (MCTs) also get a big thumb down for use with the Metabolic Diet. Very few foods actually contain MCTs, but you'll find some popular MCT supplements out there, mostly derived from coconut oil. Many people in a higher-fat regimen are bullish on these products. They say, "It's fat, why can't we use it?" The fact is that MCTs bypass the whole energy pathway we're trying to establish with the Metabolic Diet and can be very counterproductive.

    Not that MCTs can't be helpful. They can be of great use on a diet high in complex carbs because of their protein sparing effects. But on the Metabolic Diet, the body ends up using the MCTs for energy instead of the long chain fatty acids that make up most body fat. As such, we end up bypassing the very metabolic goals the Metabolic Diet is set up to achieve: to burn its own fat and use those triglycerides as a primary energy source.
    Androhard + Andromass Log
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/182038-so-i-decided.html
  

  
 

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