weight loss stack, what do you think?
- 04-15-2011, 02:19 AM
weight loss stack, what do you think?/mini log.
I've been in a major slump, I can't loose a damn lb! I've not done a full blown diet but in the past I could always start a cut by just being more diligent with what I eat, sense I hit 30 no more! I'm 6ft tall, currently 225lbs, 38 inch waist, 16 inch arms (flexed), 16.5 inch neck, 44 inch chest, 25 inch thighs
I was thinking about going the ECA (ephedrine, caffene, asprin) route, cheap, easy etc.
I currently take Controlled Labs Orange OxiMega Fish Oil, Costco vitamin C, Costco Multi/Mineral, Trader Joes MSM Glu Con.
I'm also looking at some other stuff. for starters some NOW Methyl B-12 lozenges for descent energy.
Also looking at:
Olympian Labs DHEA
Ultimate Nutrition Carb Bloc
Prime Force Lean Green Tea Extract
PrimaForce Yohimbine HCl
I'm not necessarily planning on taking all these, they are just items that I've been reading about. if anyone has anything to add or subtract please do tell.
- 04-15-2011, 08:44 AM
I ran a really similar stack to that in the past (don't forget to list out the ephedrine, too ). What you've got there looks fine. As far as the other stuff you're looking at, most of it is all good stuff (only thing I'm not really sure about is the "carb bloc" - what is that?), but I don't think it's essential or necessary. So if money is an issue, I wouldn't worry too much about that stuff.
Have you had any blood work done recently? The reason I ask is because I've found myself in a position of not being able to lose any weight at all, either, and I found out the reason was that I have hypothyroidism. So, if you haven't been checked you, you may want to, because nothing sucks more than doing everything right and not getting any results out of it.
04-15-2011, 12:27 PM
thanks for the input. honestly I'm not sure what the carb block is, I came across it on the bb store and thought someone here might have some input or maybe tell me to stay away from it.
I've not had blood labs done in several years so I'll look into that. I'll have to see if there his a health fair going on, they do blood labs for super cheap on the governments dollar.
when you say you did a similar stack what exactly did you take, was it an ephedrine based stack or are you referring to the other items I listed?
04-15-2011, 12:50 PM
6:00 AM - 25mg Ephedrine / 200mg Caffeine / ~500mg EGCg
10:00 AM - 25mg Ephedrine / 200mg Caffeine / ~500mg EGCg
2:00 PM - 25mg Ephedrine / 200mg Caffeine
The first time I ran it, I would sweat buckets and it was just nuts. I tried it again after and it didn't have near the same effect on me.
As far as the carb bloc is concerned, I think I heard my mom mention something about that name when she said her niece was selling stuff through some company. To be honest, I don't know what exactly it is, but if you're looking for another good product, I'd recommend Need2Slin - it shuttles nutrients to your muscles, rather than fat cells. So, whether you're trying to just lose weight, or add muscle without gaining much fat, it's a solid product. I love the stuff.
And definitely look into the blood work for baseline levels, man. I'm kicking myself for not doing it sooner than I did.
04-15-2011, 03:23 PM
I just looked into it, there is a health fair later this month that I can get labs done for cheap. I'ts been a while sense I researched an ECA stack but I know most of the time Ephedrine comes with other ingredients in it, was the stuff you took alone or with other cough or cold medication in it? I do vaguely recall my sister in law having a straight ephedrine pill.....
NeedtoSlin is a little spendy, you thought it was worth the cost?
04-15-2011, 03:41 PM
I have used Bronkaid and then the Walgreens version that had ephedrine hcl instead of the sulfate - I've noticed no difference between the two, so just get what's cheapest. It's not pure ephedrine, and that fact has actually helped with my breathing while on it, too.
Need2Slin is a little more expensive, but totally worth it. There is a sale going on right now that you can read up on here:
Another HUGE NTBM Sale! That's how we do!
And this was a thread I thought was really cool to read about on it, too:
04-16-2011, 03:09 AM
Ok, so this is what I'm thinking.
NOW Methyl B-12 lozenges
NP NA-RALA (damn expensive)
PrimaForce ZMA (spendy)
NP CLA Supreme caps
BB Info Section listed this stack as a potent one:
NOW EGCG (Green Tea Extract)
PrimaForce Yohimbine HCl
NP Acetyl L-Carnitine (ALCAR)
SciVation Sesamin (slightly spendy)
Need-2-Slin (damn expensive)
From the research I've done most of these items should compliment each other but I cant help but think I'm over doing it, many times less is more. I often have a tendency to over do this kind of stuff all this stuff would be approx $220, I started out just planning on picking up some b-12
04-16-2011, 02:06 PM
I've been doing some more reading, it seems that maybe I should not take the aspirin in the eca stack, the Yohimbine, and the green tea, anyone have any input on this?
04-16-2011, 02:47 PM
You could look at using just the Need2Slin instead of the NARALA, if you're looking to cut down on spending. Just one thing to consider. Most people I've talked to don't use the aspirin anymore in the E/C stack. If you want something, you could do white willow bark, but I just went with E/C/EGCg.
Everything you listed out can certainly be beneficial, but you're right, not everything is absolutely necessary to be effective here.
04-16-2011, 07:42 PM
04-16-2011, 10:33 PM
04-17-2011, 10:02 PM
Midwestbeast, thanks for all your input. I pulled the trigger on some stuff. I decided to order half now, see what I think then reorder or make my own stack when I'm done with this stuff.
I'd never know what does what if I took it all at once.
1x BCAA Powder (500 Grams) By: PrimaForce
*1x Need 2 Slin (120 Capsules) By: Need To Build Muscle
*1x EGCG (Green Tea Extract) (90 caps) By: NOW Foods
*1x Caffeine (120 tabs) By: Serious Nutrition Solutions
*1x B-6 100 mg (100 caps) By: NOW Foods
2x NOW Methyl B-12, 1000mcg/100 Lozenges**
1x PrimaForce Yohimbine HCl, 90 Capsules**
1x Controlled Labs Orange OxiMega Fish Oil
1x bronchial (cvs ephedrine hci, usp)
04-18-2011, 07:28 PM
I've been taking my EC stack for two and a half days now.
First day I only took 12.5 mg ephedrine and 200mg caffeine. Yesterday and tOday I'm taking 25 mg ephedrine and 200 mg caffeine in the AM and about 6 hours later. Heart rate is a little elevated not much though. At the gym I got a little more winded than usual, more sweat, feel hot quite often even though weather is mild. BP is normal, 125 over 72. I should do this stack during the winter, I hate being cold!
I should have my need-2-slin in a couple days.
I'm starting this stack @ 224 lbs.
Day 3: 217 lbs (fluke weight, we'll see tomorrow)
04-20-2011, 01:23 PM
Still waiting on deliveries. I'm quite dissapointed in both nutraplanet and bodybuildings shipping. It used to be that I'd get items from bb in one day, they shipped the same day as the order and fedex got it to Reno the next. Nutraplanet took 3 days to ship. It looks like I might get the bb stuff Friday but the rest will most likely be Monday, I ordered everything Sunday so 5 to 8 days to get everything
Anyway, I weighed 218.5 yesterday, day 5. Diet was lousy yesterday, we'll see what I weigh today. EC is already not as noticeable, how high do people go with the ephedrine? I'll be receiving yohimbe and green tea extract so I'll be adding atlases one of those possibly, I also need to see how the need-to-slin makes me feel. I've been slightly behind on my h2o intake, I need to drink more today. Does anyone else notice how much more tiring a workout is when low on fluids?? My heat rate stays lower yet I'm extra winded, damn thicker blood. I did manage to get descent workouts in though, lightish weight but I can barely walk today from legs yesterday and my Tris are still nice and sore from the day before. I'm trying to focus on holding where the exercise burns most and perfect form sense I'm not moving any record weight.
I've been working out one body part/day, anyone have ant input, should I change things up for my need-2-slin cycle?
04-20-2011, 09:36 PM
Ahhhh, I miss losing my E/C stack virginity. That was exactly how I felt the first time - it was great. I never go about 200/25 (3x/day). If you want to help with not getting as used to it, you could go 6 days on, 1 day off, even and that may help (I ran mine straight through).
Sucks about the shipping man. I know that can really put a damper on your cycle.
Definitely get your diet back in check, man. This will do some work even without, but you definitely won't see the maximum results that you could with good nutrition. Get water intake up. I drink 1.5-2 gallons/day all the time. I'd shoot for that amount. I also always make sure I drink at least a liter of water within half an hour of going to the gym to make sure I'm hydrated at the start of the workout (and drink my BCAA mixture in 1/2 a gallon of water throughout the workout).
You shouldn't need to shift anything around for using Need2Slin. I only take it in front of carb-heavy meals of at least 40g or more (but that's just my preference - makes it last longer). Play around with the timing/doses to see what feels best to you (e.g. 1 or 2 caps either 20 or 15 minutes before eating that meal).
And your workout sounds fine. Lay it out like this:
Mon-group lifted / any cardio
Tues - etc.
if you want any input on it. There's not necessarily one style that works better over another when cutting.
04-20-2011, 10:53 PM
04-21-2011, 09:49 AM
Make sure not to get too caught up on your weight, man. I did the same thing the first time I ran E/C, but just make sure to let the mirror be your ultimate judge. Also make sure (if you're not already doing this) to weigh in at the same time of day. I prefer first thing in the morning before food/water play a role. The trainer at my gym weighs his clients after they work out (which I completely disagree with, but that's just me). Water weight and other things can play a role, so just don't stress over the scale.
Good luck, bro.
04-28-2011, 02:35 PM
MidwestBeasf, thanks again for your input. I've gotten my h2o up, I'm not exactly sure, I'd say a gallon plus, I just go by urine clearness refilling my 32 oz bottle quite often. Diet has been descent, Easter was a little poore but not horrible, I visited family and the biggest problem was all they had were carbs!! Grrrr, I should have brought a tub of protein. I've been taking need-2-slin for going on 4 days now, 2 before breakfast, 2 before dinner, I might switch it up to 1with each carb meal. Those suckers burn your throat if you don't get them washed down properly!!
I'm trying to not rely on the scale too much. My upper body is looking fuller but I really don't feel like I'm shedding any body fat to speak of. Weight has been steady at 220 all week. I've been trying to stick to two or 2.5 doses of ec but the last couple days I crash quick. Today took 25/200/green tea at 7:30 am and by 10:30 I was low on energy after a small meal, water did help and I'm having a cup of coffee as we speak. I was reading the 25x3 of ephedrine can be a lot and potentially toxic so I've tried to avoid more than 62.5 total per day but I'm not feeling the heat or strong desire to be productive at all any more.
Slim extreme was soo much better but I can't bring my self to take it again after the mystery ingredients were discovered.
Calories have been consistently at 2200 to 2400, protein 200+grams, carbs 200 grams, fat 60-90 grams, most fat is from meat, lean cheeses and some olive oil. I'm wondering if I should up my calories a bit, net calories after exercise and yard work are usually around 1500. Also, I almost completely off white flower and processed sugar, once in a while I have a granola bar slathered with natural chunky peanut butter and I drink milk, eat apples etc, which I'm not sure about, at the end of the day sugar grams can sneak up pretty high.
04-28-2011, 03:31 PM
Glad you got your water intake up, bud. I'm the same way about checking it - if I don't look like a human brita-filter, I drink more And yeah, I did that with Need2Slin one of the very first times I dosed it, too lol - not horrible, but definitely not a fun experience.
Where are you taking your carbs in during the day? I would think maybe switching up amounts here and there could help, too (carb-cycling).
According to a standard BMR calculation, you should be eating quite a bit more as far as calories are concerned. You may want to seek some advice from others, though, because since I'm hypothyroid, I don't have any decent life-experience with this (I eat ~1,800 calories and can gain weight lol).
One thing I'll say is definitely don't stress about it, because that's just unnecessary cortisol . You sound like you're committed and I've got faith in you to do this.
04-28-2011, 05:28 PM
Thanks for the words of encouragement, my calories for mantainance are around 2800 I believe so that's why I'm trying to stay around 2400, 400 below mantainance.
I would love some more input though.
I spread my carbs pretty evenly, sometimes I know I eat too many carbs and calories at night.
04-28-2011, 06:22 PM
Try to keep the bulk of them around your workout (pre and post), but if you work out in the evening, like me, front-load them in your day a bit, too (e.g. breakfast, maybe lunch, especially pre-workout, and also post, but not tons post).
04-29-2011, 09:53 AM
Thats really a wonderful thread on weight loss stacks..
I would like to appreciate every one who have participated in this thread..
05-02-2011, 04:30 PM
I'm still holding at 220. Took the weekend off from EC, ate carbs but not at night except for Sunday night before the gym.
Staying low on carbs today. Workout was g
05-02-2011, 04:37 PM
I'm still holding at 220. Took the weekend off from EC, ate carbs but not at night except for Sunday night before the gym.
Staying low on carbs today. Workout was good today.
This morning I looked leaner but this afternoon I'm back to normal lol.
I'm going to keep messing with my carbs and see if I can't loose some weight!!
I took 12.5 e, 200 caffeine, 400 egcg, and 10 yohimbe hcl at 7am, 11am and I'll dose everything again at 3 or 4.
05-04-2011, 02:11 PM
10mg of yohimbe hcl was fine once or twice but now I'm back to 5 mg with 12.5 mg.
Yohimbe hcl is awesome, energy all with no crash even with the caffeine and ephedrine once a day at smaller doses sometimes once a day.
05-04-2011, 03:32 PM
Keep going strong, buddy.
05-04-2011, 09:19 PM
05-05-2011, 11:12 PM
05-06-2011, 05:48 PM
05-10-2011, 02:07 AM
I joined a workout group, first time with them tonight, had a fantastic workout.
Weight was 218 but that was @ 8:30pm, I usually weigh my self at 12 or 1 in the afternoon.
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