weight loss stack, what do you think?

[MidwestBeast]

Thanks for the words of encouragement, my calories for mantainance are around 2800 I believe so that's why I'm trying to stay around 2400, 400 below mantainance.
I would love some more input though.
I spread my carbs pretty evenly, sometimes I know I eat too many carbs and calories at night.

I always enjoy shaking things up from day to day nutritionally. I'd shuffle between 200g carbs on heavy days, or days I really want to make a lacking muscle group grow (for me it's legs and arms), then do 125g or so on my other lifting days (3 days) and 0-50g on my off or cardio only days.

Try to keep the bulk of them around your workout (pre and post), but if you work out in the evening, like me, front-load them in your day a bit, too (e.g. breakfast, maybe lunch, especially pre-workout, and also post, but not tons post).

[Gerret]

Thats really a wonderful thread on weight loss stacks..
I would like to appreciate every one who have participated in this thread..

[flw]

I'm still holding at 220. Took the weekend off from EC, ate carbs but not at night except for Sunday night before the gym.
Staying low on carbs today. Workout was g

[flw]

I'm still holding at 220. Took the weekend off from EC, ate carbs but not at night except for Sunday night before the gym.
Staying low on carbs today. Workout was good today.
This morning I looked leaner but this afternoon I'm back to normal lol.
I'm going to keep messing with my carbs and see if I can't loose some weight!!
I took 12.5 e, 200 caffeine, 400 egcg, and 10 yohimbe hcl at 7am, 11am and I'll dose everything again at 3 or 4.

[flw]

10mg of yohimbe hcl was fine once or twice but now I'm back to 5 mg with 12.5 mg.
Yohimbe hcl is awesome, energy all with no crash even with the caffeine and ephedrine once a day at smaller doses sometimes once a day.

[MidwestBeast]

Keep going strong, buddy.

[MAxximal]

I've been in a major slump, I can't loose a damn lb! I've not done a full blown diet but in the past I could always start a cut by just being more diligent with what I eat, sense I hit 30 no more! I'm 6ft tall, currently 225lbs, 38 inch waist, 16 inch arms (flexed), 16.5 inch neck, 44 inch chest, 25 inch thighs
I was thinking about going the ECA (ephedrine, caffene, asprin) route, cheap, easy etc.
I currently take Controlled Labs Orange OxiMega Fish Oil, Costco vitamin C, Costco Multi/Mineral, Trader Joes MSM Glu Con.

I'm also looking at some other stuff. for starters some NOW Methyl B-12 lozenges for descent energy.

Also looking at:
NOW NADH
BCAA's
AST R-ALA's
Olympian Labs DHEA
SciFit ZMA
Ultimate Nutrition Carb Bloc
CoQ10

Stack:
Prime Force Lean Green Tea Extract
PrimaForce Yohimbine HCl
Caffeine
PrimaForce ALCAR
SciVation Sesamin

I'm not necessarily planning on taking all these, they are just items that I've been reading about. if anyone has anything to add or subtract please do tell.

Yohimbine works BETTER without carbs

[flw]

Yea, I know it's better on a no carb diet, I'm just taking it when I'm not going to have any carbs for atleast 3 to 5 hours.
Thanks for contributing that info!

Yohimbine works BETTER without carbs

[flw]

Today's weight 216.

[flw]

I joined a workout group, first time with them tonight, had a fantastic workout.
Weight was 218 but that was @ 8:30pm, I usually weigh my self at 12 or 1 in the afternoon.

[cowboy007]

Why no aspirin in your EC stack? Aspirin is really important in the stack IMO. EC wreaks havoc on your heart and blood pressure. In fact, the FDA originally approved its sale for use in medications designed to treat low blood pressure. Guess what happens if you're taking high doses of E and you don't have low blood pressure! BAM - bad things man, bad things! "Low Dose" or "Children's" 81 mg aspirins are like $2.50/bottle. All the EC fat burning stacks got banned because nobody took the aspirin with it and folks died. You spent all this other money, and left out the only thing thats gonna keep you safe. There are a few really good threads on here about ECA and the importance of aspirin in the stack. I bet if you get your BP checked, its off the chart. You already said your having heart/chest irregularities.

Also, the E is the main fat burner in the compound. Three doses/day at 25mg is optimum. Anything less isn't as effective. If you're still looking at Green Tea, you can get it standardized at Walmart (same stuff as the $$$ supps they sell online) for like $3.00 Lots of folks get it there.

As for the Ephedra(ine) being HCL or Sulfate.. I posted links to academic journals in another post where the two were evaluated in terms of body breakdown and absorption. It turns out that theres less that one-tenth of one percent (something like .001%) difference in the absorption. They are essentially identical in terms of what you get out of them, so, if you cant find Bronkaid (the best option IMO), then just go with walgreens brand or Primatene (not mist)

[flw]

Thanks for the information. Everything I came across said the aspirin was hard on the stomach and the negatives outweighed the positives. I've actually been off the stack for a couple days, last week I took 12.5 mg doses with yohimbe in the am before carbs and then just the EC & green tea later, I checked my bp a couple days into the stack when I first started and it was fine, I should have checked it last week or so but neglected to. I was not getting any symptoms of high bp either like head aches etc. The only heart iregularitaries were feeling fatigued when dehydrated and weight lifting I don't know if that's common or not but as long as I stay hydrated I feel fine. I would like some input on anyone elses heart rate staying lower when not consuming enough water. I've never watched my hr when dehydrated till now but I do know that as long as I can remember when my food or water intake was off I felt like sh&t in the gym.
I do appreciate your input and will definitely keep a close eye on my bp when I start back on EC as well as atleast take a baby asprin (which I do have) every other day or so.

Why no aspirin in your EC stack? Aspirin is really important in the stack IMO. EC wreaks havoc on your heart and blood pressure. In fact, the FDA originally approved its sale for use in medications designed to treat low blood pressure. Guess what happens if you're taking high doses of E and you don't have low blood pressure! BAM - bad things man, bad things! "Low Dose" or "Children's" 81 mg aspirins are like $2.50/bottle. All the EC fat burning stacks got banned because nobody took the aspirin with it and folks died. You spent all this other money, and left out the only thing thats gonna keep you safe. There are a few really good threads on here about ECA and the importance of aspirin in the stack. I bet if you get your BP checked, its off the chart. You already said your having heart/chest irregularities.

Also, the E is the main fat burner in the compound. Three doses/day at 25mg is optimum. Anything less isn't as effective. If you're still looking at Green Tea, you can get it standardized at Walmart (same stuff as the $$$ supps they sell online) for like $3.00 Lots of folks get it there.

As for the Ephedra(ine) being HCL or Sulfate.. I posted links to academic journals in another post where the two were evaluated in terms of body breakdown and absorption. It turns out that theres less that one-tenth of one percent (something like .001%) difference in the absorption. They are essentially identical in terms of what you get out of them, so, if you cant find Bronkaid (the best option IMO), then just go with walgreens brand or Primatene (not mist)

[flw]

Just checked my bp and although it's irrelevant being that I'm not taking any ephedrine just yohimbe 5mg, caffeine 200mg and green tea 400mg it was 135 over 72, hr 48. Second time 130 over 79 hr 46, thirt 132 over 66 hr 48, forth 133 over 67 hr 47, fifth 126 over 74 hr 48.
Heart rate is a little low IMO considering I had yohimbe and caffeine but I took them almost 5 hours ago. I've also been sitting and relaxing for an extended period of time this AM. The lowest I've ever measured my hr was 37 upon waking and not moving except to put on bp cuff. It's commonly in the mid to low 40's stim free and completely relaxed.

[Dr T]

Hows your weight going? I never ound making small changes like 400kcal a day made any difference. For the past few months i've been on about 1000kcal a day with minimal/no carbs for the past few months. I,ve taken lots of caffine and green tea extract and havegone from 99kg at 25% bodyfat to 83kg at 18%. If your not seeing changes i'd suggest dropping the calories, any supplements are really just the icing on the cake as they only make a small difference by the sounds of most peoples experiencs.

[SavageWun]

I ran a really similar stack in total to what you'd listed out. It looked something like this:

6:00 AM - 25mg Ephedrine / 200mg Caffeine / ~500mg EGCg
10:00 AM - 25mg Ephedrine / 200mg Caffeine / ~500mg EGCg
2:00 PM - 25mg Ephedrine / 200mg Caffeine

The first time I ran it, I would sweat buckets and it was just nuts. I tried it again after and it didn't have near the same effect on me.

As far as the carb bloc is concerned, I think I heard my mom mention something about that name when she said her niece was selling stuff through some company.[COLOR*********] To be honest, I don't know what exactly it is, but if you're looking for another good product, I'd recommend Need2Slin[/COLOR] - it shuttles nutrients to your muscles, rather than fat cells. So, whether you're trying to just lose weight, or add muscle without gaining much fat, it's a solid product. I love the stuff.

And definitely look into the blood work for baseline levels, man. I'm kicking myself for not doing it sooner than I did.

Sounds interesting - so it enhances better nutrient partitioning? What's in this product?

[flw]

Weight is coming off slow but steady, I've been weighing my self later in the day lately so it's hard to get an accurate weight compared to when I started. I'm down atleast 6 or 8 lbs.
Yesterday I got a caliper body fat test done, actually average of 3 tests. Bodyfat was 15%, I think it might be a little higher being that I hold extra weight in my waist and the test didn't pinch belly fat.

Are you saying that you only eat 1000 calories a day? If so I don't think your going to get the results you want. That's far too few calories, you're starving your body and loosing mostly muscle. If you're 5'11", 220lbs and 18% bodyfat I'd say you should be taking in 2000 or so calories, 150+ grams of protein, ample greens and only good carbs.

Hows your weight going? I never ound making small changes like 400kcal a day made any difference. For the past few months i've been on about 1000kcal a day with minimal/no carbs for the past few months. I,ve taken lots of caffine and green tea extract and havegone from 99kg at 25% bodyfat to 83kg at 18%. If your not seeing changes i'd suggest dropping the calories, any supplements are really just the icing on the cake as they only make a small difference by the sounds of most peoples experiencs.

[flw]

Are you referring to need 2 slin? Search this forum, there is ample info around here.

Sounds interesting - so it enhances better nutrient partitioning? What's in this product?

[Dr T]

Weight is coming off slow but steady, I've been weighing my self later in the day lately so it's hard to get an accurate weight compared to when I started. I'm down atleast 6 or 8 lbs.
Yesterday I got a caliper body fat test done, actually average of 3 tests. Bodyfat was 15%, I think it might be a little higher being that I hold extra weight in my waist and the test didn't pinch belly fat.

Are you saying that you only eat 1000 calories a day? If so I don't think your going to get the results you want. That's far too few calories, you're starving your body and loosing mostly muscle. If you're 5'11", 220lbs and 18% bodyfat I'd say you should be taking in 2000 or so calories, 150+ grams of protein, ample greens and only good carbs.

Yeah i was only eating 1000kcal a day (maximum), i was basically eating chicken and fruit for lunch and chicken and salad for dinner, somedays i only ate lunch, i haven't exercised at all as i was scared i'd break down muscle that wouldn't repair due to lack of caloires and protein. i never found small changes in calories made any difference. doing it this way was just to see if it worked (which it has). I'll starting to eat a little more now but have ordered a months worth of MAN vaporize/scorch stack to hopefully help me get down to 15% body fat (now i know my diet works i'm happy to spend on pricey supplements). weighed myself this morning and i'm down to 82kg and 17.5% BF. According to my scales my lean mass loss has been 4kg whereas fat is 10.3kg (in three months). I fully expect to put the muscle back on quickly but even if i don't, i'm happy with the fat loss as i'll be careful from now on not to kid myself that i'm not getting fat while bulking. once the scorch/vaporize stack arrives on monday i'll start the final phase of my diet for 30 days then the i'm back on the shakes and square meals and training properly.

[Baraketh]

Awsome thread guys, i was getting a little discouraged on the ECA stack so far after reaching my 10th day on it so far and not really seeing any results so far, but after reading your results it looks like the ECA stack requires some time to kick in and start seeing some change. Everybody is different but would it be safe to assume that one should start seeing some results around 20 days into the cycle?

Weight -209
Height - 5'10
Calorie intake - 1800-2000 daily
Weight Training 1 hour 5-6 times a week
Cardio Training 1 hour 3 Times a week

Supps -
Super Pro Protein
Sci-Fit Kre-alkalyn
EC Stack (Bronkaid + Vivarin) 25mg/200mg x3

[flw]

Well it kind of gotten away from EC, I've not been taking it for a week or so. I've just been taking my other basic support sips and need 2 slin along with slowly improving my diet and trying to burn more calories. I'll probably try the EC stack again after I'm done with the need 2 slin.

Awsome thread guys, i was getting a little discouraged on the ECA stack so far after reaching my 10th day on it so far and not really seeing any results so far, but after reading your results it looks like the ECA stack requires some time to kick in and start seeing some change. Everybody is different but would it be safe to assume that one should start seeing some results around 20 days into the cycle?

Weight -209
Height - 5'10
Calorie intake - 1800-2000 daily
Weight Training 1 hour 5-6 times a week
Cardio Training 1 hour 3 Times a week

Supps -
Super Pro Protein
Sci-Fit Kre-alkalyn
EC Stack (Bronkaid + Vivarin) 25mg/200mg x3