[YellowJacket]

This is a controversial diet to the general population, Im wanting feedback from you guys of any kind for a class project Im doing on low carb/carb depletion diets, so help me out men..YJ

[8 pak man]

Ok well i know keto is a controversial topic. I dont like the idea of no carbs for a couple reasons:

1. How is an ectomorph supposed to get bigger while on a keto diet without carbs i dont think people cant get bigger.

2. Without carbs you are less likely to stick to your diet people need somes carbs for energy and such.

I dont know if that really answered your question but that is my views on Keto.

[YellowJacket]

Yes....this is a general question...so no one be afraid to post....

The only reason I stray from Keto is the fact that carbs are essential for the metabolism of fat- in a long, drawn out way they are a must....
Im interested in doing a survey in how people's energy levels react to the drop in carbs.....

[MassMachine]

KETO ?....boooo

[WYD02]

Originally posted by 8 pak man
Ok well i know keto is a controversial topic. I dont like the idea of no carbs for a couple reasons:

1. How is an ectomorph supposed to get bigger while on a keto diet without carbs i dont think people cant get bigger.

2. Without carbs you are less likely to stick to your diet people need somes carbs for energy and such.

I dont know if that really answered your question but that is my views on Keto.

In response:

1. Your NOT SUPPOSED TO GET BIGGER. The idea of a ketogenic diet is to lose fat quickly and with as little muscle loss as possible. If you are an ectomorph, you don't even need to worry about what ketogenic diet is.

2. Ketogenic diet is difficult to the extent that you are limited in WHICH foods you can eat. Although this is true, I find ketogenic diets allow for a pretty extensive list of foods. As far as energy goes, the priniciple for the diet is that you will get into ketosis and use fat for fuel. Most people get anywhere from 20-100g of carbs which also helps for energy during workouts but isn't enough to throw you out of ketosis.

If you have any more questions YJ, feel free to ask me...Ive done a good amount of research on keto diets.

[wardog]

I have used keto diets before, and my issues with them are as follows:

#1 The loss of water and glucogen stores is the first 10 pounds on me...looking flat is a *****, and doesnt exactly motivate me

#2 The biggest issue I see is getting OFF the keto diet when your done. As soon as I reintroduce carbs..for the first 2 weeks, I start putting fat back on.

Overall, I used to swear by them..I have lately found better ways to diet.

[YellowJacket]

Awesome info wardog, pretty much exactly what I was looking for to put in my paper and yes I get to quote you as Wardog ow ow

[Boarder1]

I also have done the Ketogenic Diet, until I decided to start bodybuilding. I did notice that my energy was consistent and my cravings for food were almost nil. I used to participate in a good deal of low impact cardio while on the Keto and I bought a heartrate monitor in order to keep the heart out of cardio mode.

The diet itself was not hard to stay on, but getting over the carb withdrawals was almost unbearable, dizziness and nausea. My best friend started the diet and within two days he was at the doctor's office because he felt so ill. I have not smoked for two years now and the withdraws I went through from quitting were insignificant compared to the initial carb withdrawals. Insulin resistance may have had something to do with it, shame on these diet programs that do not teach food GI....irresponsible.

Overall, I lost 12 pounds within a week, then about a pound a week thereafter. When I resumed eating carbs, I gained 8 pounds the first week, mostly back in my waist.

I hope there is some information contained within that will prove useful to you.

Good luck on the paper

[YellowJacket]

Very good info Boarder...I will be using your post in my paper also....thank you very much

[whale]

If you look at the diet on paper it seems great for loosing fat. The only problems are 1. it is extremly tuff to get into keto 2. It is even harder to stay in my opinion,3 and finally there is such a fine line between burning the fat and a diet that stopps epileptic seizures because of nueronal metabolism kind of scares me. Although there is some promise as a diet high in MCT can make the unpalatable food more enjoyable it is still not a great tasting diet. All this being said I have a hard time beleiving that the keto diet is a successful diet for an aspiring bb or weight lifter for that matter. the only benefit would be if you were an epaleptic seizure problem.

My 2 cents

Whale

[Sean]

I cut down to 6% bf from 13% in 2 months with a keto, and had no noticeable muscle loss. I agree that there's some amount of rebound effect once you drop it, though.

[Boarder1]

Originally posted by whale
If you look at the diet on paper it seems great for loosing fat. The only problems are 1. it is extremly tuff to get into keto 2. It is even harder to stay in my opinion
Whale

I had a few problems staying in Ketosis also. It wasn't until I completely cut out drinking diet Mt. Dew, that I could stay in a strong Ketosis state(instantaneous purple on the Keto Stix). I found myself part of the population where citric acid intake has a negative correlation on Ketosis.

Do you have access to the book The Ketogenic Diet by Lyle McDonald? If you don't, PM me and I will mail it to you. I do not see myself ever needing it again.

[Matthew D]

I have had the same problem as whale about getting into and staying in Keto. Also, I just felt so drained most of the time. I figured I had my percents wrong but after playing around I still get them right so I just quit the Keto diet

[wardog]

You know, I really hate to give Bill Roberts credit, but one of the best diets I found for me to shred up quick was simple..250 grams protein a day, 250 grams carbs, and heavy PH or AAS. Bill ran it at 200/200, I upped it because I weigh more. You keep the muscle, keep the pumps, and energy, and lose some fat real quick. It isnt the most interesting diet in the world, but with androgenic supplementation, works very well.

[Matthew D]

Hey WarDog,
Have you got some place I can read about that diet. Sounds like something that might be some I would like to take a look at.

Originally posted by wardog
You know, I really hate to give Bill Roberts credit, but one of the best diets I found for me to shred up quick was simple..250 grams protein a day, 250 grams carbs, and heavy PH or AAS. Bill ran it at 200/200, I upped it because I weigh more. You keep the muscle, keep the pumps, and energy, and lose some fat real quick. It isnt the most interesting diet in the world, but with androgenic supplementation, works very well.

[BrKonman]

Originally posted by wardog
You know, I really hate to give Bill Roberts credit, but one of the best diets I found for me to shred up quick was simple..250 grams protein a day, 250 grams carbs, and heavy PH or AAS. Bill ran it at 200/200, I upped it because I weigh more. You keep the muscle, keep the pumps, and energy, and lose some fat real quick. It isnt the most interesting diet in the world, but with androgenic supplementation, works very well.

Definitely sounds interesting, but you didn't mention any fat, whatsoever. Is it meant to go 0% fat in this diet? Also, "heavy PH or AAS" could mean quite a bit. What combo's did you use/would you expect to work well?

[WYD02]

Originally posted by Boarder1


I had a few problems staying in Ketosis also. It wasn't until I completely cut out drinking diet Mt. Dew, that I could stay in a strong Ketosis state(instantaneous purple on the Keto Stix). I found myself part of the population where citric acid intake has a negative correlation on Ketosis.

Do you have access to the book The Ketogenic Diet by Lyle McDonald? If you don't, PM me and I will mail it to you. I do not see myself ever needing it again.

I would love to read it if you want to hook a brother up

As far as the diet mt. dew goes...I've seen this in a few people... Sometimes the artificial sweeteners trigger an insulin response which obviously is undesirable on a ketogenic diet...

[Matthew D]

I was wondering that after reading the mt dew post because if I remember correctly.. I was having a small problem laying off the diet cokes the last time I tried Keto.. ummm wondering if I might need to try it one more time

[wardog]

Originally posted by BrKonman


Definitely sounds interesting, but you didn't mention any fat, whatsoever. Is it meant to go 0% fat in this diet? Also, "heavy PH or AAS" could mean quite a bit. What combo's did you use/would you expect to work well?

No, he advocated no fat..really your living on protein and carbs. II was thinking of modifying it a bit..keeping calories and protien the same, just perhaps using a small amount of olive oil and/or flax seed first thing in the morning with some tuna perhaps just to get some fat in there.

Androgen wise, you are severely cutting calories, yet keeping protein intake high, so you need a good strong androgen, or high dosages. PH wise, I would run 250mg 1-test and a gram of 4-AD transdermally, with an anti E. A good test/winny/fina cycle should work on the other side of the spectrum.