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    Quote Originally Posted by ssbackwards View Post
    i will have to post the study when i have time at home but keto diets in men at +400 cals above maintanence are shown to still help you lose weight where as women cant do that....

    they have a chart and everything.

    ketogenic diets are shown to preserve more muscle then the standard high carb low fat diets. again i will search for these studies when i have time.
    I can post the counter studies showing non ketogenic diets to lose fat at higher calories, and preserve more muscle too just FYI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    I can post the counter studies showing non ketogenic diets to lose fat at higher calories, and preserve more muscle too just FYI.
    post em. but it depends on how high the high carb intake is. That is the variable.
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    There was a specific meta-study done using the atkins ketogenic, the zone diet, Ornish and one other and ketogenic had the worst muscle retention of them all, and less fat lost than all. I'll go dig that one up
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    There was a specific meta-study done using the atkins ketogenic, the zone diet, Ornish and one other and ketogenic had the worst muscle retention of them all, and less fat lost than all. I'll go dig that one up
    that would be nice to read. havent read it.

    the problem when people do ketogenic diets they drop cals so low because they think that its just the ketones that preserve the muscle.

    Not exactly true.

    im very excited to read this, discussion time soon.
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    I would just like to see more info on meals and timing of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbl38 View Post
    I would just like to see more info on meals and timing of them.
    I'll give you the cliff notes, no significant difference in body comp or nitrogen retention between 2 meals and 8 a day has ever been shown in a study. At one meal a day there is a limit to protein absorption

    The primary value to large meals when losing fat is you are never starving hungry, just mostly hungry all day. And when bulking you are never quite forcing yourself to eat a huge meal, but just always eating something.
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    Keto gives me serious head aches. Yes I know it eventually goes away but breaking that wall just isn't worth it. I can cut without going completely keto. I carb up once in the morning, that's it. Sometimes I will do a light carb (15g or so) pre work out, but that's about it.

    Keep in mind I only lift 3 times a week. The rest of the time I'm boxing. So burning cals isn't an issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CCV3 View Post
    Keto gives me serious head aches. Yes I know it eventually goes away but breaking that wall just isn't worth it. I can cut without going completely keto. I carb up once in the morning, that's it. Sometimes I will do a light carb (15g or so) pre work out, but that's about it.

    Keep in mind I only lift 3 times a week. The rest of the time I'm boxing. So burning cals isn't an issue.
    Thats weird...never got headaches before.

    Keto isnt necessary for cutting, I keep my carb intake 40-60 grams a day, when cutting I just eat less calories or do more cardio to burn off more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Thats weird...never got headaches before.

    Keto isnt necessary for cutting, I keep my carb intake 40-60 grams a day, when cutting I just eat less calories or do more cardio to burn off more.
    It's not uncommon at all. I get really bad ones.

    I agree, it isn't necessary to cut. That's why i don't do it anymore. I keep mine at around 60-75 a day. Actually, Keto set me back about a year. A couple years ago I thought "oh ya, I'll carb cycle (3 on / 3 off) get all shredded, etc.". I dropped down to about 150 and looked horrible.

    So ya, hovering low always works best.
  

  
 

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