Perfect diet/Cannot get rid of love handles

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  1. Oh yeah, I forgot to add I still have love handles.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    I can see it in the picture. I have a 32 inch waist too but weigh 30 lbs more, and i'm still at 13ish % bf. Theres fat in EVERYONEs forearms, biceps, all over their entire body. Its a layer under the skin. the fact that its no so heavy in any one spot that its obviously fat and jiggly is meaningless, its still there. Its 30lbs of fat, not 30lbs of "extra" fat. a healthy reasonable "normal" level is around 15% for males.

    IF you were even just 15%, there would be some more definition on your body.
    I know there is a layer of fat everywhere, but literally my stomach does not stick out when I am sitting down. I do the "pinch" test on most areas of my body, and there is very little, if any fat. My weight is now 170/171.
    If my body was 20% fat, that would mean I would have 34 pounds to lose.
    I just don't see 34 pounds of fat. As I have said previously, my diet has always been exceptional in terms of fat/calories, and I have always worked out. I actually was on an ultra low fat diet for most of my life..which means low calories because I don't eat sugars or starches either. There is simply no way for me to stockpile 34 pounds of fat on my body with my diet/exercise. I am willing to bet my body fat is around 15%. We will see this week or next when I have the pod test.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by hugeswole View Post
    A lot of good advice here. I had a similar problem. I would starve myself of carbs and run 13 miles at a time trying to keep my stomach tone but I could never really get the love handles off completely.

    Obviously I realized this wasn't working and had to try something different. I started trying to tone up my midsection and lower back. I concentrated on deadlifts, squats and clean and press. Another good move is doing weighted side crunches on the roman chair. Tone up in those areas and the fat will start to come off. (A good thermogenic can't hurt either.)

    I have had a lot of success since I changed things up. I am about 15 pounds heavier with the same waste size and I can eat carbs again.
    That is what I have been doing. I bought the P90X Ab Ripper DVD. I make sure I do every single repetition on the tape....If I am feeling too tired to go forward..I pause it..get a little rest..and continue through the rest of the set. It takes me a while sometimes, but I make sure I get 25 reps per exercise..no cheating.


    I have been doing that twice a week. Also, when I am at the gym, I have been doing the weighted curl machine..descending sets starting at 115 and down to 65...I have also been doing leg lifts there..and I have been using the pulley machines to work my obliques..I do a movement I saw online..sort of like a baseball swing where I hold my arms straight and keep my legs set and can only "pull" with a twist of my midsection..sort of like swinging a baseball bat.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by pittguy578 View Post
    I know there is a layer of fat everywhere, but literally my stomach does not stick out when I am sitting down. I do the "pinch" test on most areas of my body, and there is very little, if any fat. My weight is now 170/171.
    If my body was 20% fat, that would mean I would have 34 pounds to lose.
    I just don't see 34 pounds of fat.
    If your body was 20% fat, you'd have 20 pounds to lose to look like a bodybuilder going on stage for a national level show, or 7-8 pounds to have your body start having some definition.

    Quote Originally Posted by pittguy578 View Post
    As I have said previously, my diet has always been exceptional in terms of fat/calories, and I have always worked out. I actually was on an ultra low fat diet for most of my life..which means low calories because I don't eat sugars or starches either.
    Your diet is terrible. Ultra low fat is health negative. And there is nothing wrong with sugar and starched in reasonable quantity. Your body has chosen to store excess fat as you'v kept it in starvation mode, and made sure you didn't eat enough in fats to create normal levels of hormones. not a perfect diet by any stretch of the imagination.

    I'm not saying any of this for any reason other than if you don't come to realize that these things are true you are stuck with the same lack of progress you've had.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    If your body was 20% fat, you'd have 20 pounds to lose to look like a bodybuilder going on stage for a national level show, or 7-8 pounds to have your body start having some definition.


    As I have said previously, my diet has always been exceptional in terms of fat/calories, and I have always worked out. I actually was on an ultra low fat diet for most of my life..which means low calories because I don't eat sugars or starches either.
    Your diet is terrible. Ultra low fat is health negative. And there is nothing wrong with sugar and starched in reasonable quantity. Your body has chosen to store excess fat as you'v kept it in starvation mode, and made sure you didn't eat enough in fats to create normal levels of hormones. not a perfect diet by any stretch of the imagination.

    I'm not saying any of this for any reason other than if you don't come to realize that these things are true you are stuck with the same lack of progress you've had.[/QUOTE]


    and well said Eric!
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  6. I've experimented with all types of diets imaginable, and at one point was on a VERY low fat, low calorie, low carb diet, such as yourself. I felt accomplished just by how strict I was on the diet, believing I had an excellent diet... I lost a ton of weight, mostly bone and muscle lol. I never could get rid of all the fat, although there wasn't a lot. My skin, and hair dried out, I felt weak, I injured my lower back, I had trouble sleeping, and severely lowered my libido. It want until I states having these health problems, and became willing to forget EVERYTHING I thought I knew, and go against what is thought to be a healthy diet (i.e. Low fat), that I regained my health back. If you really want help, listen to what everyone here has been trying to tell you.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by pittguy578 View Post
    That is what I have been doing. I bought the P90X Ab Ripper DVD. I make sure I do every single repetition on the tape....If I am feeling too tired to go forward..I pause it..get a little rest..and continue through the rest of the set. It takes me a while sometimes, but I make sure I get 25 reps per exercise..no cheating.


    I have been doing that twice a week. Also, when I am at the gym, I have been doing the weighted curl machine..descending sets starting at 115 and down to 65...I have also been doing leg lifts there..and I have been using the pulley machines to work my obliques..I do a movement I saw online..sort of like a baseball swing where I hold my arms straight and keep my legs set and can only "pull" with a twist of my midsection..sort of like swinging a baseball bat.
    I'm telling you. Squats, dead lifts and clean and press. Learn these moves and it will change your body. Get on a squat rack, start with low weight and work your way up. Get a good pre workout sup if you are tired.

  8. Pittguy, do you eat salt?

  9. Your diet is not perfect. The lactose from the dairy you consume is making you fat along with the gluten in the wheat products you consume like special k.

    Cut out the dairy and the gluten and you will lose weight, guaranteed.

  10. Milk spikes insulin quite high, which does cause fast gains in sedentary people. But if the goal is to first put on muscle, and then burn off the fat, elevated insulin levels are a good thing. That's why bulk up routines like the old "milk and squats" routine work so well.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by poorejj View Post
    Milk spikes insulin quite high, which does cause fast gains in sedentary people. But if the goal is to first put on muscle, and then burn off the fat, elevated insulin levels are a good thing. That's why bulk up routines like the old "milk and squats" routine work so well.
    Ya, but the lactose in dairy is a killer.

    Surely there must be a vegan equivalent that has the same insulin spiking and protein nature of milk? I ask because I am a vegan and I like the idea to this.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by VeganMike View Post
    Your diet is not perfect. The lactose from the dairy you consume is making you fat along with the gluten in the wheat products you consume like special k.

    Cut out the dairy and the gluten and you will lose weight, guaranteed.
    C'mon... really?

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Nitrox View Post
    C'mon... really?
    I don't know if you are being sarcastic or not, didn't see any green font.

    I switched to a true vegan diet for 2 months, cut out all dairy and gluten. Along with meat too. Was getting my protein from plant based sources like nuts and kale. I shed 20 pounds and most of it was fat.

  14. You were using kale as one of your protein sources? No wonder you lost 20lbs!

  15. Quote Originally Posted by bdcc View Post
    You were using kale as one of your protein sources? No wonder you lost 20lbs!
    Lol, ya, Kale is great stuff. Along with tons of various nuts; almonds, macadamia, pistachios, cashews, etc.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by VeganMike View Post
    I don't know if you are being sarcastic or not, didn't see any green font.

    I switched to a true vegan diet for 2 months, cut out all dairy and gluten. Along with meat too. Was getting my protein from plant based sources like nuts and kale. I shed 20 pounds and most of it was fat.
    Not being sarcastic, really just asking if you are really serious in your statements.

    Neither dairy, gluten, nor meat, by themselves, make people fat. In fact you could go on a 100% whole milk diet @ 1 liter per day (approx 600 kcal) and would lose a lot of weight. In fact you might even starve to death on it. Now if you drank 10 liters per day (6000 kcal) then yeah, most people would put on a lot of fat.

    I apologize for getting cranky in my old age, but it slays me that with the length of time that this board has been up and its collective knowledge people still post crap like 'cut out food X and you will lose those love handles.'

    You lost those 20 pounds because your particular vegan diet gave you a sustained energy deficit not because you chose to eat nuts and kale.

  17. To be fair, I have a lot of clients who lose weight substituting gluten containing grains for those that are gluten free.

    Removing a cortisol reaction from a food someone is sensitive to is going to help body composition even if calories are the same.

    Naturally it won't work with everyone for obvious reasons.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Nitrox View Post
    Not being sarcastic, really just asking if you are really serious in your statements.

    Neither dairy, gluten, nor meat, by themselves, make people fat. In fact you could go on a 100% whole milk diet @ 1 liter per day (approx 600 kcal) and would lose a lot of weight. In fact you might even starve to death on it. Now if you drank 10 liters per day (6000 kcal) then yeah, most people would put on a ton of fat.

    I apologize for getting cranky in my old age, but it slays me that with the length of time that this board has been up and its collective knowledge people still post crap like 'cut out food X and you will lose those love handles.'

    You lost those 20 pounds because your particular vegan diet gave you a sustained energy deficit not because you chose to eat nuts and kale.
    You are absolutely right to look at cutting calories as being the most important factor in determining weight loss.

    I'm not arguing with you on that point.

    However, the original poster complained that despite him maintaining a calorie deficit as evidenced by his low calorie diet plus working out....he could not lose his love handles. He thought he was following "a perfect diet".

    I had to chime in and correct him. Dairy and Gluten are known to bloat people.

    Most people on Earth are actually lactose intolerant. Lactose has a bloating effect on many various genetics and blood types. Google it, don't take my word for it. The only argument against lactose you could make is you are one of the few that has genetics that are accustomed to it...(Mainly European). Human beings are mammals and they are indeed supposed to drink milk...but only in youth stages. As we get older our ability to process dairy diminishes. That's why drinking milk when you are an old man actually causes osteoporosis.

    On the subject of Gluten there is absolutely ZERO ARGUMENT supporting it is healthy for you. There is nothing good about Gluten and all it does is make you fat. Google it, don't take my word for it.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by bdcc View Post
    Removing a cortisol reaction from a food someone is sensitive to is going to help body composition even if calories are the same.

    Naturally it won't work with everyone for obvious reasons.
    Sure but now we're getting into medical condition territory and as such we really have to get into specifics because each case will be individual.

    For example, people with hypothyroid will have a real challenge trying to lose body fat. However, they will also have other symptoms to go along with it that should raise flags that it is not simply a dietary issue.

    In the absence of other suspicious symptoms, IMO it is appropriate to start with diet fundamentals of 'how much you eat is as, if not more, important as what you eat.'

  20. Quote Originally Posted by VeganMike View Post
    You are absolutely right to look at cutting calories as being the most important factor in determining weight loss.

    I'm not arguing with you on that point.


    Quote Originally Posted by VeganMike View Post
    However, the original poster complained that despite him maintaining a calorie deficit as evidenced by his low calorie diet plus working out....he could not lose his love handles. He thought he was following "a perfect diet".
    Correct. He 'thought' that he was following a perfect diet. In reality he was guessing what his daily calories were and this is not a sufficiently accurate way of counting. An average person needs a 500 kcal daily deficit to lose about 1 lb of fat per week with minimal muscle loss. This target is really easy to miss if youre not following a set plan with MEASURED portions.

    Several people also suggested that the OP might be eating too few calories which is putting him in 'starvation mode' and making his body hold onto fat. While this does happen, weight loss will continue as long as there is still a deficit (this is just physics - the energy has to come from somewhere) but this will come with symptoms of fatigue and significant strength loss. However the OP mentions nothing of this; in fact he says that he feels fairly strong.

    So... if he is not feeling weak and tired, and is not losing weight on the scale, and does not have any biological medical conditions, then he is not in an overall energy deficit.

    Quote Originally Posted by VeganMike View Post
    Most people on Earth are actually lactose intolerant.
    Possibly, I'm not arguing that but that has nothing to do with weight loss. The OP never mentions that dairy causes him gastrointestinal problems.

    Quote Originally Posted by VeganMike View Post
    On the subject of Gluten there is absolutely ZERO ARGUMENT supporting it is healthy for you. There is nothing good about Gluten and all it does is make you fat. Google it, don't take my word for it.
    All it does it makes you fat? So eating 2 grams of gluten per day just causes fat gain? Didn't you just agree that calories are what matter most?

  21. Calories do matter the most.

    However, quality of calories cannot be overlooked either. High Glycemic Index Foods or Foods that fatten the human body such as Gluten and Dairy play important roles in weight gain and loss too.

    The overall goal is to lose weight. First thing you do is try to reduce calories, after that you must improve the quality of your calories.

    For example, you can eat a 100 calorie candy bar or choose a 100 calorie apple. If you were only counting calories then they'd both be of the same value. However, the candy bar has dairy, refined sugar, has a bunch of chemicals, and has a High Glycemix Index Value. (High Glycemic Foods turn into fat very fast and don't give your body enough time to burn off)

    The Apple is simply not the same as a candy bar even if they are the same calories. Why? The Apple has a lot of fiber and fiber calories don't even count as they get pooped out. The Apple also has some vitamins and minerals that aid the body in overall living healthy. Not to mention the Apple is low glycemic so your body won't turn it into fat, it will burn it off.

    Anyone who is truly serious about losing weight will cut out dairy and gluten from their diet completely. It's a smarter and more efficient way of going about things.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by VeganMike View Post
    Calories do matter the most.

    However, quality of calories cannot be overlooked either. High Glycemic Index Foods or Foods that fatten the human body such as Gluten and Dairy play important roles in weight gain and loss too.

    The overall goal is to lose weight. First thing you do is try to reduce calories, after that you must improve the quality of your calories.

    For example, you can eat a 100 calorie candy bar or choose a 100 calorie apple. If you were only counting calories then they'd both be of the same value. However, the candy bar has dairy, refined sugar, has a bunch of chemicals, and has a High Glycemix Index Value. (High Glycemic Foods turn into fat very fast and don't give your body enough time to burn off)

    The Apple is simply not the same as a candy bar even if they are the same calories. Why? The Apple has a lot of fiber and fiber calories don't even count as they get pooped out. The Apple also has some vitamins and minerals that aid the body in overall living healthy. Not to mention the Apple is low glycemic so your body won't turn it into fat, it will burn it off.

    Anyone who is truly serious about losing weight will cut out dairy and gluten from their diet completely. It's a smarter and more efficient way of going about things.
    Actually, 100 calories is 100 calories as far as fatloss goes. there was someone who did a study using twinkies for weight loss. http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08...ex.html?hpt=T2

  23. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    Actually, 100 calories is 100 calories as far as fatloss goes. there was someone who did a study using twinkies for weight loss. http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08...ex.html?hpt=T2
    Ya, I read that study and it's a crock of shet if you ask me. He still ate protein and vegetables.

  24. right and I don't think the original poster's diet consists solely of snickers either. Saying dropping junk food will help is a crock of shet if you don't change total calories too.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    right and I don't think the original poster's diet consists solely of snickers either. Saying dropping junk food will help is a crock of shet if you don't change total calories too.
    My diet was naturally low fat/low calories. If you cut fat out of your diet, it's very hard to put on weight unless you started eating tons of pure sugar i.e. sodas. My Erase and Alpha T2 came in today..going to stack that with the Hydoxycut..We will see how it goes
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