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  1. Good luck. Thought about bagging the treadmill and hitting up some 400's and some sprints outdoor?


  2. Remove all milk. Whether its skim or not, for some it causes bloating and inflamation which could lead to storing fat. When I took it out and replaced whey with other sources of protein I lost 2" from around my waist. It would just require 1 modification to your current regime and it would also take away almost 500 cal.
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  3. Being that I'm new to this website, and this is my first post, what I have to say will probably be ignored. However, I have had similar problems in the past, shedding those last few pounds of body fat, and I have something to say... It is my opinion, based on experience, and self-education, that the majority of what I've read in these posts about dieting for maximum FAT loss, is wrong. I've tried just about every type of diet you've ever heard of, and when I follow a diet I am VERY strict (to the point that some would call me insane!). I've done these diets along with a moderate amount of cardio, and a lot of weight training. I had, at one point, been on a diet similar to yours. I ate a low fat, moderate carb, moderate/high protein diet. I did lose weight, a lot of which was fat, but also lost bone and muscle mass. The end result of that diet wasn't what I was looking for, and I'm sure it IS NOT what you're looking for either! I never did lose those last few pounds of fat on that diet, and the more I cut the calories following that macronutrient ratio, the more bone and muscle I lost, and I just couldn't get rid of those last few pounds of fat STILL! Anyway, I could talk about diet longer than I have the time for (at work right now! :-P) But, I had to tell you that I have found the best FAT loss diet and have been on it for going on two years now. It is a ketogenic style diet. My macronutrient ratios according to fitday are: 63% fat, 32% protein, and 5% carbs. The fats I eat are Olive Oil, Coconut Oil, Butter, Cream, Nuts, Seeds, Fatty meats, Cheese..... The small amount of carbs I do get are all from nuts, seeds, cheese, and LOTS and LOTS of high fiber, low net carb, vegetables. I get all the fiber, potassium, vit C, Calcium, and all that other good stuff that a lot of people say you can't get on a a low carb diet from eating a lot of sardines, dark leafy greens, and lots of nuts. According to fit day, I never have anything in red on the nutrient tab. I also take a multi, ALA, and Chromium. Oh, something you might want to think about is that your body only has two sources of fuel that it can use for energy, and those are glucose (sugar), and fat. Even eating a moderate amount of carbs. per day, like you do, on a low fat diet, will train your body to be good at burning sugar, and then when you go to sleep at night and there's no food coming in, your body breaks down your bone and muscle to make its own glucose. Become a good fat burner by getting rid of the carbs, upping your fat intake, and eating the right amount of protein each day (1gm/lb rule), and when you go to sleep at night, your body will break down your body fat for energy instead! There's so much more to say, but not the time to say it. Check out www dot drrosedale dot com

  4. Oh, and I shouldn't have said that most of the posts I had read were wrong. There were a lot of things I agree with!! For instance, the milk thing... TOTALLY AGREE... Also, the guy that said something about eating real foods (whole foods, not protein bars...), cutting carbs, and eating a lot of protein while at the same time overloading your muscles...... I agree with all that.... What I meant was that I am in complete opposition to the stance that many people take that you need to cut fat, and eat plenty of "good" carbs. along with protein. I've been there, done that, and the results weren't all that great. The high fat diet is awesome. It raises testosterone, growth hormones, and the diet puts you in a highly anti-catabolic environment!

  5. Its taken me over a year to get rid of my love handles completely. Why...the same reason as you not enough muscle. You just have to go through cycles of lean bulking and cutting, eventually as your bf drops you do start to lose fat around your lower waist.

    But seriously, looking at your pics....you are not particularly lean anywhere. You're bf % I reckon is fairly high as you don't have much muscle.

    Go for a long, slow clean bulk...I reckon around 12 - 16 weeks and then do a cutting cycle.
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  6. My body fat percentage is actually relatively low. The only fat I have is around the abdomen area. No fat on my back or on my legs. I had done cardio 3-4 days a week for nearly three years and always had an ultra low fat/no junk diet..As I said before, I am anal about what I eat. I had an eating disorder. My "cheat" foods are MetRx brownies. I put on weight because I was trying to put on muscle switching to skim milk to whole milkprotein shakes to get my testosterone and calories up. Plus a little of it was due to the fact I was taking something for sleep that causes weight gain. I didn't think it would happen to me, but it did. I switched to something that has no negative side effects. I will take a new picture tomorrow. I have lost weight in the midsection. I did 30 minutes of cardio tonight and did abs (weighted crunch) and then used the cable system to work my obliques by doing twists. I must have put on muscle somewhere else because my weight has not dropped significant, but I definitely have less body fat. I take in 120-140 grams of protein per day and keep my calories at around 2K. I am using ALCAR, CLA, Lipo 6 black, Green Tea plus Mega Men energy and Metabolism multivitamin plus Gutamine/Arginine before bed.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by pittguy578 View Post
    My body fat percentage is actually relatively low. The only fat I have is around the abdomen area. No fat on my back or on my legs. I had done cardio 3-4 days a week for nearly three years and always had an ultra low fat/no junk diet..As I said before, I am anal about what I eat. I had an eating disorder. My "cheat" foods are MetRx brownies. I put on weight because I was trying to put on muscle switching to skim milk to whole milkprotein shakes to get my testosterone and calories up. Plus a little of it was due to the fact I was taking something for sleep that causes weight gain. I didn't think it would happen to me, but it did. I switched to something that has no negative side effects. I will take a new picture tomorrow. I have lost weight in the midsection. I did 30 minutes of cardio tonight and did abs (weighted crunch) and then used the cable system to work my obliques by doing twists. I must have put on muscle somewhere else because my weight has not dropped significant, but I definitely have less body fat. I take in 120-140 grams of protein per day and keep my calories at around 2K. I am using ALCAR, CLA, Lipo 6 black, Green Tea plus Mega Men energy and Metabolism multivitamin plus Gutamine/Arginine before bed.
    Hate to burst your bubble, but you have no definition in arms, delts, chest, etc. These are some of the first places to get defined on a person with a bit of lifting, thus i can see the gentleman's thinking about your bf%. You need to Lift! Quit cardio'ing like a little bitch, rev your metabolism and shoot to get some muscle. The sups arent going to carry you into magic ripped land.

    Also, to the boy blowing the keto trumpet saying everyone else is wrong. Every successful bodybuilder i personally know who competes and has an awesome physique uses low carbohydrate diets near pre contest and thats it. Carbs are included in their diet most of the time. I really don't think the OP is in a position to worry about a low carb diet. He needs to get motivated, not energy depleted. Btw, does smoking work well for you on your keto diet?

  8. I am not trying to get huge. I have tried when I was younger i.e. 18-22 when I was eating a lot (all you can eat cafeteria at college)..wasn't eating junk, but I still could not pack on mass. I am not sure if maybe I have lower than normal testosterone levels? Is there any way to get that checked out? I gain strength, but not mass when lifting weights.

    I am not avoiding carbs at all. My diet is mostly protein and carbs. I am just not eating processed sugars right now. No desserts on Thanksgiving..no Christmas cookies. I get plenty of carbs with my cereal and fruit intake plus through the milk in my protein shakes as well as through my protein bars-sometimes I have two a day if I am on the run.

    And cardio is not just to lose weight. I suffer from depression and it helps my mood.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Carcaya View Post
    Hate to burst your bubble, but you have no definition in arms, delts, chest, etc. These are some of the first places to get defined on a person with a bit of lifting, thus i can see the gentleman's thinking about your bf%. You need to Lift! Quit cardio'ing like a little bitch, rev your metabolism and shoot to get some muscle. The sups arent going to carry you into magic ripped land.

    Also, to the boy blowing the keto trumpet saying everyone else is wrong. Every successful bodybuilder i personally know who competes and has an awesome physique uses low carbohydrate diets near pre contest and thats it. Carbs are included in their diet most of the time. I really don't think the OP is in a position to worry about a low carb diet. He needs to get motivated, not energy depleted. Btw, does smoking work well for you on your keto diet?
    Ditto....When ever I've hit anywhere near 11% bf I can easily see the separation between my muscle groups and abs are visible. You have none of this and coupled with the little muscle you have, your bf % is fairly high. I have the same phenotype as you...ie skinny fat. Your overall structure looks thin, but rather than being ripped you hold a lot of fat and can't put on muscle easily. That's why its taken me 18 months of effort to get to 10% bf and a decent amount of muscle.

    And as the fella says above, low carb diets work, but only for a limited period. Its to get the last few pounds of fat off. Doing it for prolonged periods will screw up your metabolism, speaking from personal experience. But judging from your pics your not particularly insulin sensitive, so I would have moderate carbs....maybe a couple of small meals a day with one of them being post workout.

    I've read somewhere the three hormones that contribute possibly the most to a 'skinny fat' body type are: oestrogen / test ratio, cortisol and insulin. If you can manage / optimise these you will start to see positive changes in your body composition rather quickly. And the two things you should work on first before anything else to optimise these three hormones....diet and training.

    Have moderate carbs.
    Increase healthy fats.
    Train hard and heavy with weights...really work on lifting heavier every week
    Limit the amount of cardio you do. I would even suggest no more than a couple of times a week.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by saggy321 View Post
    Ditto....When ever I've hit anywhere near 11% bf I can easily see the separation between my muscle groups and abs are visible. You have none of this and coupled with the little muscle you have, your bf % is fairly high. I have the same phenotype as you...ie skinny fat. Your overall structure looks thin, but rather than being ripped you hold a lot of fat and can't put on muscle easily. That's why its taken me 18 months of effort to get to 10% bf and a decent amount of muscle.

    And as the fella says above, low carb diets work, but only for a limited period. Its to get the last few pounds of fat off. Doing it for prolonged periods will screw up your metabolism, speaking from personal experience. But judging from your pics your not particularly insulin sensitive, so I would have moderate carbs....maybe a couple of small meals a day with one of them being post workout.

    I've read somewhere the three hormones that contribute possibly the most to a 'skinny fat' body type are: oestrogen / test ratio, cortisol and insulin. If you can manage / optimise these you will start to see positive changes in your body composition rather quickly. And the two things you should work on first before anything else to optimise these three hormones....diet and training.

    Have moderate carbs.
    Increase healthy fats.
    Train hard and heavy with weights...really work on lifting heavier every week
    Limit the amount of cardio you do. I would even suggest no more than a couple of times a week.
    Thank you for your help. I am going to ask my doctor to test my testosterone levels. I am going to go for a physical. I have worked out and always kept active. I never eat junk food. I really do mean never. I don't even eat candy or cake or anything that might be fattening. My cheats are protein brownies from MetRx. I have noticed fat loss, but not much despite the fact I am stacking multiple weight loss supplements/amino acids and watching what I eat.

  11. I am not sure what the heck is going on. I have been hitting up the gym and eating a good diet. I have actually put on weight. . My weight is over 170 now. I do not think it is fat though. Not sure how that would happen with all of the stacks I have been taking..the Green Tea, Alcar, Hydroxycut, CLA, along with the Dermatherm Target on my abs.
    If I put on fat, then there are some serious health issues I need to get fixed.

    I am trying to set up an appointment to get an accurate BMI so I know exactly where I am at. I definitely do not see "a lot" of extra fat on my body..not more than 20-25 pounds-all in the midsection. No fat on my legs, etc.

    I am 5'9, and my waist is 32. I don't see how I could have a lot of fat if all of the fat I have is on my midsection.

  12. I have a lot I would like to say, but I hate typing on my phone, so I'm only going to say a couple things. Low fast diets (such as what you have been following) significantly LOWER testosterone. Low calorie diets do, as well. High fat diets have been shown to significantly raise testosterone. Also, of all the different types of fat, saturated fats raise testosterone the most! Eat red meat, and eggs, and plenty of them. Don't be afraid to eat them!

  13. Hell, with that low calorie, low fat, high fiber diet you're on, I'd be surprised if you didn't have any trouble getting aroused!

  14. Get off the deit bro, bump the calories back up to maintenance for a couple weeks, then slowly start to reduce again.

    Try HIT on rowing machine - so underated, and will help further define your upper body.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by poorejj View Post
    I have a lot I would like to say, but I hate typing on my phone, so I'm only going to say a couple things. Low fast diets (such as what you have been following) significantly LOWER testosterone. Low calorie diets do, as well. High fat diets have been shown to significantly raise testosterone. Also, of all the different types of fat, saturated fats raise testosterone the most! Eat red meat, and eggs, and plenty of them. Don't be afraid to eat them!
    I have been eating more fat lately again-just started the other day.
    I added 2% milk to my protein shakes, and I am eating toast with peanut butter. I also have had eggs twice in the past two days. I feel that I am getting stronger. I was able to lift weight longer and more of it last night when I hit the gym. I have been taking the Testopro.

  16. Right on man! Check out a book called the anabolic solution for bodybuilders. Keep us posted! Mmmm... I'm getting ready to eat half a dozen eggs myself!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pittguy578 View Post
    My body fat percentage is actually relatively low.
    no, its really not. Maybe compared to "obese america" it is, but i'd guess you to be in the 18+% bodyfat range, and yes you will have love handles at that.
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    no, its really not. Maybe compared to "obese america" it is, but i'd guess you to be in the 18+% bodyfat range, and yes you will have love handles at that.
    I don't think it could be that high. That would mean I would have over 30 pounds of fat. am just not seeing where I have 30 pounds of extra fat on my body when I have a 32 inch waist. I have been consistently working out since 2006-2007. This is not something I just started up and with my diet, I don't think I could have that much extra fat.I should have a definite answer this week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pittguy578 View Post
    I don't think it could be that high. That would mean I would have over 30 pounds of fat. am just not seeing where I have 30 pounds of extra fat on my body when I have a 32 inch waist. I have been consistently working out since 2006-2007. This is not something I just started up and with my diet, I don't think I could have that much extra fat.I should have a definite answer this week.
    I can see it in the picture. I have a 32 inch waist too but weigh 30 lbs more, and i'm still at 13ish % bf. Theres fat in EVERYONEs forearms, biceps, all over their entire body. Its a layer under the skin. the fact that its no so heavy in any one spot that its obviously fat and jiggly is meaningless, its still there. Its 30lbs of fat, not 30lbs of "extra" fat. a healthy reasonable "normal" level is around 15% for males.

    IF you were even just 15%, there would be some more definition on your body.
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  20. A lot of good advice here. I had a similar problem. I would starve myself of carbs and run 13 miles at a time trying to keep my stomach tone but I could never really get the love handles off completely.

    Obviously I realized this wasn't working and had to try something different. I started trying to tone up my midsection and lower back. I concentrated on deadlifts, squats and clean and press. Another good move is doing weighted side crunches on the roman chair. Tone up in those areas and the fat will start to come off. (A good thermogenic can't hurt either.)

    I have had a lot of success since I changed things up. I am about 15 pounds heavier with the same waste size and I can eat carbs again.
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    Oh yeah, I forgot to add I still have love handles.
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    I can see it in the picture. I have a 32 inch waist too but weigh 30 lbs more, and i'm still at 13ish % bf. Theres fat in EVERYONEs forearms, biceps, all over their entire body. Its a layer under the skin. the fact that its no so heavy in any one spot that its obviously fat and jiggly is meaningless, its still there. Its 30lbs of fat, not 30lbs of "extra" fat. a healthy reasonable "normal" level is around 15% for males.

    IF you were even just 15%, there would be some more definition on your body.
    I know there is a layer of fat everywhere, but literally my stomach does not stick out when I am sitting down. I do the "pinch" test on most areas of my body, and there is very little, if any fat. My weight is now 170/171.
    If my body was 20% fat, that would mean I would have 34 pounds to lose.
    I just don't see 34 pounds of fat. As I have said previously, my diet has always been exceptional in terms of fat/calories, and I have always worked out. I actually was on an ultra low fat diet for most of my life..which means low calories because I don't eat sugars or starches either. There is simply no way for me to stockpile 34 pounds of fat on my body with my diet/exercise. I am willing to bet my body fat is around 15%. We will see this week or next when I have the pod test.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by hugeswole View Post
    A lot of good advice here. I had a similar problem. I would starve myself of carbs and run 13 miles at a time trying to keep my stomach tone but I could never really get the love handles off completely.

    Obviously I realized this wasn't working and had to try something different. I started trying to tone up my midsection and lower back. I concentrated on deadlifts, squats and clean and press. Another good move is doing weighted side crunches on the roman chair. Tone up in those areas and the fat will start to come off. (A good thermogenic can't hurt either.)

    I have had a lot of success since I changed things up. I am about 15 pounds heavier with the same waste size and I can eat carbs again.
    That is what I have been doing. I bought the P90X Ab Ripper DVD. I make sure I do every single repetition on the tape....If I am feeling too tired to go forward..I pause it..get a little rest..and continue through the rest of the set. It takes me a while sometimes, but I make sure I get 25 reps per exercise..no cheating.


    I have been doing that twice a week. Also, when I am at the gym, I have been doing the weighted curl machine..descending sets starting at 115 and down to 65...I have also been doing leg lifts there..and I have been using the pulley machines to work my obliques..I do a movement I saw online..sort of like a baseball swing where I hold my arms straight and keep my legs set and can only "pull" with a twist of my midsection..sort of like swinging a baseball bat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pittguy578 View Post
    I know there is a layer of fat everywhere, but literally my stomach does not stick out when I am sitting down. I do the "pinch" test on most areas of my body, and there is very little, if any fat. My weight is now 170/171.
    If my body was 20% fat, that would mean I would have 34 pounds to lose.
    I just don't see 34 pounds of fat.
    If your body was 20% fat, you'd have 20 pounds to lose to look like a bodybuilder going on stage for a national level show, or 7-8 pounds to have your body start having some definition.

    Quote Originally Posted by pittguy578 View Post
    As I have said previously, my diet has always been exceptional in terms of fat/calories, and I have always worked out. I actually was on an ultra low fat diet for most of my life..which means low calories because I don't eat sugars or starches either.
    Your diet is terrible. Ultra low fat is health negative. And there is nothing wrong with sugar and starched in reasonable quantity. Your body has chosen to store excess fat as you'v kept it in starvation mode, and made sure you didn't eat enough in fats to create normal levels of hormones. not a perfect diet by any stretch of the imagination.

    I'm not saying any of this for any reason other than if you don't come to realize that these things are true you are stuck with the same lack of progress you've had.
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    If your body was 20% fat, you'd have 20 pounds to lose to look like a bodybuilder going on stage for a national level show, or 7-8 pounds to have your body start having some definition.


    As I have said previously, my diet has always been exceptional in terms of fat/calories, and I have always worked out. I actually was on an ultra low fat diet for most of my life..which means low calories because I don't eat sugars or starches either.
    Your diet is terrible. Ultra low fat is health negative. And there is nothing wrong with sugar and starched in reasonable quantity. Your body has chosen to store excess fat as you'v kept it in starvation mode, and made sure you didn't eat enough in fats to create normal levels of hormones. not a perfect diet by any stretch of the imagination.

    I'm not saying any of this for any reason other than if you don't come to realize that these things are true you are stuck with the same lack of progress you've had.[/QUOTE]


    and well said Eric!

  26. I've experimented with all types of diets imaginable, and at one point was on a VERY low fat, low calorie, low carb diet, such as yourself. I felt accomplished just by how strict I was on the diet, believing I had an excellent diet... I lost a ton of weight, mostly bone and muscle lol. I never could get rid of all the fat, although there wasn't a lot. My skin, and hair dried out, I felt weak, I injured my lower back, I had trouble sleeping, and severely lowered my libido. It want until I states having these health problems, and became willing to forget EVERYTHING I thought I knew, and go against what is thought to be a healthy diet (i.e. Low fat), that I regained my health back. If you really want help, listen to what everyone here has been trying to tell you.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by pittguy578 View Post
    That is what I have been doing. I bought the P90X Ab Ripper DVD. I make sure I do every single repetition on the tape....If I am feeling too tired to go forward..I pause it..get a little rest..and continue through the rest of the set. It takes me a while sometimes, but I make sure I get 25 reps per exercise..no cheating.


    I have been doing that twice a week. Also, when I am at the gym, I have been doing the weighted curl machine..descending sets starting at 115 and down to 65...I have also been doing leg lifts there..and I have been using the pulley machines to work my obliques..I do a movement I saw online..sort of like a baseball swing where I hold my arms straight and keep my legs set and can only "pull" with a twist of my midsection..sort of like swinging a baseball bat.
    I'm telling you. Squats, dead lifts and clean and press. Learn these moves and it will change your body. Get on a squat rack, start with low weight and work your way up. Get a good pre workout sup if you are tired.

  28. Pittguy, do you eat salt?

  29. Your diet is not perfect. The lactose from the dairy you consume is making you fat along with the gluten in the wheat products you consume like special k.

    Cut out the dairy and the gluten and you will lose weight, guaranteed.

  30. Milk spikes insulin quite high, which does cause fast gains in sedentary people. But if the goal is to first put on muscle, and then burn off the fat, elevated insulin levels are a good thing. That's why bulk up routines like the old "milk and squats" routine work so well.
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