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    ECA to cut fat, anything better?


    I've been out of the game for a really long time. The back and shoulders were acting up. I have some Primatene tablets and am considering an ECA stack, but it's been a while since i've cut so is there anything better or something I should stack?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Condition1 View Post
    I've been out of the game for a really long time. The back and shoulders were acting up. I have some Primatene tablets and am considering an ECA stack, but it's been a while since i've cut so is there anything better or something I should stack?
    NUTRITION is the #1 key to fat loss - supplements don't even need to be used or considered, especially if you've not been training in some time. And get in the gym lifting weights - that alone will make lots of difference!

    I recommend reading The 3 Keys to Fat Loss to learn how to lose fat with the correct nutrition and training principles and techniques - leave using supplements until you're in single digits body composition and just want to get that little bit leaner.


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    Before this spirals: Diet consists of 3-4 whole boiled eggs, half a cup of sugar free oatmeal and water for breakfast. Lunch, dinner and in between meals will consist of veggies, lean fish, chicken, and once in a while some lean meat.

    Exercise, cardio will start off 3 mile runs followed by weight lifting 5X a week, then progress to 4-5 miles 3-4 times a week on an empty stomach, before breakfast. Protein powder is Dorian Yates Propeptide, might use some creatine but my goal is to lose the fat.
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    I use 50mg 1, 3 dimethylamylamine instead of caffeine. It gives less of a 'burnt out' feeling when coming off it.
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    i would start with good old fashioned diet and cardio, then, as you see results, or feel you need that extra push, you can add in an stim/app. suppressant...
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    Of course diet is key ......but you'd be crazy NOT to tap into all the advances in supps with regard to fat loss assisted supps.

    I'm on LeanXtreme, OEP and PES: T2 and dieting and the fat is melting off 2x as easily as it would be without the aforementioned adjuncts.
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    I'm with the guy above. Good diet and run his same stack
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    Thanks guys, i'll look into the aforementioned stacks further, but i'll probably start off a little slow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Condition1 View Post
    Before this spirals: Diet consists of 3-4 whole boiled eggs, half a cup of sugar free oatmeal and water for breakfast. Lunch, dinner and in between meals will consist of veggies, lean fish, chicken, and once in a while some lean meat.

    Exercise, cardio will start off 3 mile runs followed by weight lifting 5X a week, then progress to 4-5 miles 3-4 times a week on an empty stomach, before breakfast. Protein powder is Dorian Yates Propeptide, might use some creatine but my goal is to lose the fat.
    If you want to get lean..lay off the creatine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by plenny View Post
    If you want to get lean..lay off the creatine.
    creatine will help you get lean taking it, not getting off of it.
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    For fat loss there are 4 dimensions to consider:

    Anti-catabolic - Generally an anabolic. Furaza-A is popular when dosed high (150mg ED minimum). Ostarine might be nice.

    Thyroid - Alpha T2, while less potent than t3, is safer and seems to be effective
    Stimulant - ECA is the cheapest and best. 7-keto dhea stimulates thyroid somewhat.

    Cortisol control - the anabolic may handle this. X-Lean, Lean X-treme, 7-oh DHEA or 11-oxo
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    Quote Originally Posted by plenny View Post
    If you want to get lean..lay off the creatine.
    You can get lean using creatine - if you think otherwise, then I recommend taking a look at the physiological purpose and function of creatine in the body.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosie Chee Scott View Post
    You can get lean using creatine - if you think otherwise, then I recommend taking a look at the physiological purpose and function of creatine in the body.
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    creatine is being used on my cut. it's a staple, and something that should always be used imo
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    clen, t3, cla, eca, egcg....

    but imo are all second to diet
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosie Chee Scott View Post
    NUTRITION is the #1 key to fat loss - supplements don't even need to be used or considered, especially if you've not been training in some time. And get in the gym lifting weights - that alone will make lots of difference!

    I recommend reading The 3 Keys to Fat Loss to learn how to lose fat with the correct nutrition and training principles and techniques - leave using supplements until you're in single digits body composition and just want to get that little bit leaner.


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    1. Set a reasonable goal
    2. Plan the diet I want to follow, get rid of food not in my diet and make food prep easy so as can be done within ten minutes. (Men are naturally impatient)
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    4. Set a realistic time frame that includes factoring reality that includes kids, work, stress ect
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    6. Once I have this set I wait half way through till I know everything is set and comes naturally then do I introduce supplements for health improvement excluding any advertised gimmicks.

    That's just what helps me, I only list all of this avoiding your OP because why would you ever need anything stronger then eca? If its stronger I don't believe it's healthy or worth it. I post this not to be a **** but rather because I care for everyone on this forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Screwtape View Post
    I use 50mg 1, 3 dimethylamylamine instead of caffeine. It gives less of a 'burnt out' feeling when coming off it.
    It also doesn't function the same as the caffeine synergistically with the Ephedrine.

    OP...look at stuff like Lean Xtreme (non-stim, cortisol control) DCP (non-stim, direct fatty acid oxidizer) to go with your EC (lipolytic stimulant).

    Also look at something like Alpha-burn to further amplify the adrenergic-lipolytic effects of the EC.
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    If I may add I love Genomyx's products so I would also suggest looking into their products, their blends are very effective and the research put into their products are with no gimmick involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosie Chee Scott View Post
    You can get lean using creatine - if you think otherwise, then I recommend taking a look at the physiological purpose and function of creatine in the body.
    I understand what it is supposed to do. Dont get me wrong, i love it for strength and prework out. It seems to add unnessasary water weight that contradicts getting cut. After a month on creatine (MONO) i could gain 5-8lbs and look bloated. Two weeks after getting off it, Im much drier and leaner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by plenny View Post
    I understand what it is supposed to do. Dont get me wrong, i love it for strength and prework out. It seems to add unnessasary water weight that contradicts getting cut. After a month on creatine (MONO) i could gain 5-8lbs and look bloated. Two weeks after getting off it, Im much drier and leaner.
    what creatine did you use? just regular plain mono, or Creapure? if its not Creapure, and you dont really know the source the impurities may be causing the bloat.

    also, some people overdose creatine often.
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    Quote Originally Posted by plenny View Post
    I understand what it is supposed to do. Dont get me wrong, i love it for strength and prework out. It seems to add unnessasary water weight that contradicts getting cut. After a month on creatine (MONO) i could gain 5-8lbs and look bloated. Two weeks after getting off it, Im much drier and leaner.
    I guess that happens to some people - I can use any creatine and it doesn't make a difference re water weight, etc. and I don't hold water or get bloated from it; in fact, the MORE creatine I have daily, the less water I hold. We're all different. Do what works for YOU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    It also doesn't function the same as the caffeine synergistically with the Ephedrine.

    OP...look at stuff like Lean Xtreme (non-stim, cortisol control) DCP (non-stim, direct fatty acid oxidizer) to go with your EC (lipolytic stimulant).

    Also look at something like Alpha-burn to further amplify the adrenergic-lipolytic effects of the EC.
    Would you use lean xtream stacked with DCP and ECA? How would you stack?
  

  
 

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