ECA to cut fat, anything better?
- 09-01-2010, 05:59 PM
- 09-01-2010, 06:28 PM
I recommend reading The 3 Keys to Fat Loss to learn how to lose fat with the correct nutrition and training principles and techniques - leave using supplements until you're in single digits body composition and just want to get that little bit leaner.
09-01-2010, 06:43 PM
Before this spirals: Diet consists of 3-4 whole boiled eggs, half a cup of sugar free oatmeal and water for breakfast. Lunch, dinner and in between meals will consist of veggies, lean fish, chicken, and once in a while some lean meat.
Exercise, cardio will start off 3 mile runs followed by weight lifting 5X a week, then progress to 4-5 miles 3-4 times a week on an empty stomach, before breakfast. Protein powder is Dorian Yates Propeptide, might use some creatine but my goal is to lose the fat.
09-02-2010, 08:43 PM
I use 50mg 1, 3 dimethylamylamine instead of caffeine. It gives less of a 'burnt out' feeling when coming off it.
09-02-2010, 08:54 PM
i would start with good old fashioned diet and cardio, then, as you see results, or feel you need that extra push, you can add in an stim/app. suppressant...
09-03-2010, 08:04 AM
Of course diet is key ......but you'd be crazy NOT to tap into all the advances in supps with regard to fat loss assisted supps.
I'm on LeanXtreme, OEP and PES: T2 and dieting and the fat is melting off 2x as easily as it would be without the aforementioned adjuncts.
09-03-2010, 12:33 PM
09-03-2010, 06:29 PM
Thanks guys, i'll look into the aforementioned stacks further, but i'll probably start off a little slow.
09-21-2010, 11:20 PM
09-22-2010, 12:07 AM
09-22-2010, 01:08 AM
For fat loss there are 4 dimensions to consider:
Anti-catabolic - Generally an anabolic. Furaza-A is popular when dosed high (150mg ED minimum). Ostarine might be nice.
Thyroid - Alpha T2, while less potent than t3, is safer and seems to be effective
Stimulant - ECA is the cheapest and best. 7-keto dhea stimulates thyroid somewhat.
Cortisol control - the anabolic may handle this. X-Lean, Lean X-treme, 7-oh DHEA or 11-oxo
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09-22-2010, 02:10 AM
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09-22-2010, 02:37 PM
09-22-2010, 02:38 PM
clen, t3, cla, eca, egcg....
but imo are all second to diet
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09-22-2010, 03:55 PM
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09-22-2010, 04:16 PM
The cheapest and most effective way to get in the shape you want "for me personally"
1. Set a reasonable goal
2. Plan the diet I want to follow, get rid of food not in my diet and make food prep easy so as can be done within ten minutes. (Men are naturally impatient)
3. Plan reasonable workouts to reach this goal
4. Set a realistic time frame that includes factoring reality that includes kids, work, stress ect
5. Have fun and love myself 100% of the time without looking at scales and worried about measurements until the deadline.
6. Once I have this set I wait half way through till I know everything is set and comes naturally then do I introduce supplements for health improvement excluding any advertised gimmicks.
That's just what helps me, I only list all of this avoiding your OP because why would you ever need anything stronger then eca? If its stronger I don't believe it's healthy or worth it. I post this not to be a **** but rather because I care for everyone on this forum.
Good luck with your decision
09-22-2010, 04:20 PM
OP...look at stuff like Lean Xtreme (non-stim, cortisol control) DCP (non-stim, direct fatty acid oxidizer) to go with your EC (lipolytic stimulant).
Also look at something like Alpha-burn to further amplify the adrenergic-lipolytic effects of the EC.
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09-22-2010, 04:23 PM
If I may add I love Genomyx's products so I would also suggest looking into their products, their blends are very effective and the research put into their products are with no gimmick involved.
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