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Has anyone here used the "ultimate weight loss stack" at this site elite-n.co.uk ? its 1,3-Dimethylamylamine,Caffeine, Synephrine Hcl and
Yohimbine Hcl.
Yohimbine Hcl.
More like ultimate heart attack stack.Has anyone here used the "ultimate weight loss stack" at this site elite-n.co.uk ? its 1,3-Dimethylamylamine,Caffeine, Synephrine Hcl and
Yohimbine Hcl.
More like ultimate heart attack stack.
it is 4 stimulants... nothing but stimulants.Not at all... Take OEP and Alpha-T2 and you have those ingredients plus a few extras which help target areas rich in alpha-t2 receptors (lower stomach/ love handles).
CLA is faaaaaar from proven, dear lord don't let this turn into another cla debate hai prefer the fat loss stack by PP. healthy and proven
Alpha-T2 is nice too. I'm probably going to run that, with AndroHard, the Fat Loss Stack, and maybe a low dose of Dermacrine.i prefer the fat loss stack by PP. healthy and proven
how many supplements do we take that are actually proven to work?CLA is faaaaaar from proven, dear lord don't let this turn into another cla debate ha
Yes but cla has a ton of studies on it that directly state it does not work, some that say it slows fat loss and still other than say it causes fatty liver.how many supplements do we take that are actually proven to work?
thats funny because i have read many articles in magazines and otherplaces stating the exact oppostite...hmmm so whos right? Get my point?Yes but cla has a ton of studies on it that directly state it does not work, some that say it slows fat loss and still other than say it causes fatty liver.
Not proven is one thing, CLA is largely disproven.
True, clinical studies don't necessarily 'prove' anything. There's plenty of interventions that I conduct as a health professional that does not necessarily provide any better clinical outcome or there is no evidence to suggest it doesn't work.thats funny because i have read many articles in magazines and otherplaces stating the exact oppostite...hmmm so whos right? Get my point?
No I DONT - When there is so much bad stuff out there and the good stuff isn't even THAT good then IMO the supplement is disproven. I am sick of every supplement having to be approved of on this board. Big deal Primordial is a good company, doesn't mean everything they put out has to be fought for tooth and nail.thats funny because i have read many articles in magazines and otherplaces stating the exact oppostite...hmmm so whos right? Get my point?
I'd like to see some of these studies that disprove CLA. I'm not arguing on either side at this point, but I'd like to see somethingNo I DONT - When there is so much bad stuff out there and the good stuff isn't even THAT good then IMO the supplement is disproven. I am sick of every supplement having to be approved of on this board. Big deal Primordial is a good company, doesn't mean everything they put out has to be fought for tooth and nail.
I'm checking out of this thread... As I said, I am not getting into CLA debate, there have been 100 of them already.
No need to get saucy about it. Welcome to the supplement industry my man. I am not contradicting what your saying about CLA. But just as their are many bad studies on it...there are good studies. Many people freaked out because soy protein contained phytoestrogens and so did green tea. Might give me tits! People still use it thought because it works.... and only in extreme doses will it give you even remotely estrogenic effects.No I DONT - When there is so much bad stuff out there and the good stuff isn't even THAT good then IMO the supplement is disproven. I am sick of every supplement having to be approved of on this board. Big deal Primordial is a good company, doesn't mean everything they put out has to be fought for tooth and nail.
I'm checking out of this thread... As I said, I am not getting into CLA debate, there have been 100 of them already.
Really...? Really???I'd like to see some of these studies that disprove CLA. I'm not arguing on either side at this point, but I'd like to see something
Ive never seen them either.... I mean im sure I could find them if I looked. did someone have a falling out with CLA?:bigeyes:Really...? Really???
This is a joke right?
You mean you never read the dozens of threads on this subject?
I'm done
If you have something to argue, you must be able to produce studies, or at the very least something that might be acceptable as fact.Really...? Really???
This is a joke right?
You mean you never read the dozens of threads on this subject?
I'm done
You are an unbelievable prick. You have read the threads or you must be completely incompetent in your job.If you have something to argue, you must be able to produce studies, or at the very least something that might be acceptable as fact.
Message left on neg rep:
"You wanna talk about all these studies and can't produce them? Keep your opinion to yourself."
No it is just a BS product.Ive never seen them either.... I mean im sure I could find them if I looked. did someone have a falling out with CLA?:bigeyes:
I have more responsibilities in this company then you could ever imagine. I don't spend all day on the forums like others might, I just don't have the time. If you want to stop acting like a jackass, start bringing something to the table to back your theories, etc. then we will attempt to listen to you.You are an unbelievable prick. You have read the threads or you must be completely incompetent in your job.
This is part of the point of forums, making searching for information easier. So you say you have this information, I'm just asking you to share it. Myself and others in this thread are interested. But we don't want to go search all over looking for the info, if you have the info, its just easier on everyone if you share it.And basically I am saying I don't have to listen to you and if others want to search around for their own information then i have given them a carrot to do so.
Get back to your important job and stop trying to intimidate people through PM
Do NOT order anyone around, do not tell me what to do
Do you know how many YEARS, no wait decades, I have been reading boards? Do you think I really am going to go across every board I have read over the last 10-15 years?This is part of the point of forums, making searching for information easier. So you say you have this information, I'm just asking you to share it. Myself and others in this thread are interested. But we don't want to go search all over looking for the info, if you have the info, its just easier on everyone if you share it.
I have more responsibilities in this company then you could ever imagine. I don't spend all day on the forums like others might, I just don't have the time. If you want to stop acting like a jackass, start bringing something to the table to back your theories, etc. then we will attempt to listen to you.
Its like me coming in and saying that my balls are bigger than Johns. First of all, we'd need some information, backed by some sort of study, to prove this. At the very least, we'd need to know who John was. And preferably have some sort of data to back or deny my claim.
For those who know John, him and I could probably just sit and argue all day about who's got the big balls and we'd never get anywhere until we started posting some scientific research. As of now these studies have yet to be done, because nobody really gives a sh*t about the results.
Basically what I'm saying, is put up or shut up.
Good god....I've also had the CLA debate a million times myself. Everyone is entitled to their own view/opinion, but you did come into this thread on the attack as evinced by your posts right from the get-go.Do you know how many YEARS, no wait decades, I have been reading boards? Do you think I really am going to go across every board I have read over the last 10-15 years?
Sorry I am not interested enough to do that.
Maybe if your rep hadn't turned it personal then I would be willing to engage in a discussion but since he did and I see how all of you operate then why would I bother with you?Good god....I've also had the CLA debate a million times myself. Everyone is entitled to their own view/opinion, but you did come into this thread on the attack as evinced by your posts right from the get-go.
You were simply asked to produce something to document your claims, but so far haven't. Instead, you've choose to act like a child and throw slanderous terms around when this could have developed into a well articulated and educational discussion for the rest of the board members.
Saying that you're "not interested enough to do that" already admits failure on your part.
-John
I really don't see how this became "personal"? As I stated before, you came into this thread on the attack. That's fine, but once asked to produce some information to back you claims you've back-tracked since.Maybe if your rep hadn't turned it personal then I would be willing to engage in a discussion but since he did and I see how all of you operate then why would I bother with you?
When someone tells me what to do it is personal. You don't order another person to keep their opinion to themselves and expect them to treat you with any respect back.I really don't see how this became "personal"? As I stated before, you came into this thread on the attack. That's fine, but once asked to produce some information to back you claims you've back-tracked since.
I'm well aware of the numerous studies done on CLA. I'll tell you this much, it will be a debate that will go back and forth all day long. There is still time to get this thread back on track, so I'm game if you are.
-John
No I DONT - When there is so much bad stuff out there and the good stuff isn't even THAT good then IMO the supplement is disproven. I am sick of every supplement having to be approved of on this board. Big deal Primordial is a good company, doesn't mean everything they put out has to be fought for tooth and nail.
I'm checking out of this thread... As I said, I am not getting into CLA debate, there have been 100 of them already.
I'd like to see some of these studies that disprove CLA. I'm not arguing on either side at this point, but I'd like to see something
Really...? Really???
This is a joke right?
You mean you never read the dozens of threads on this subject?
I'm done
I think you're probably taking the context of what was said a little too literal to be honest. After all, this is the internet; an environment that is sans dicernable emotion behind the written text.....well, sometimes the emoticons help. :rant2:When someone tells me what to do it is personal. You don't order another person to keep their opinion to themselves and expect them to treat you with any respect back.
Well how about for us non-Primordial reps? Care to show proof to me?Maybe if your rep hadn't turned it personal then I would be willing to engage in a discussion but since he did and I see how all of you operate then why would I bother with you?
I have more responsibilities in this company then you could ever imagine. I don't spend all day on the forums like others might, I just don't have the time. If you want to stop acting like a jackass, start bringing something to the table to back your theories, etc. then we will attempt to listen to you.
Its like me coming in and saying that my balls are bigger than Johns. First of all, we'd need some information, backed by some sort of study, to prove this. At the very least, we'd need to know who John was. And preferably have some sort of data to back or deny my claim.
For those who know John, him and I could probably just sit and argue all day about who's got the big balls and we'd never get anywhere until we started posting some scientific research. As of now these studies have yet to be done, because nobody really gives a sh*t about the results.
Basically what I'm saying, is put up or shut up.
Sounds like someone has daddy issues, or maybe authority.And basically I am saying I don't have to listen to you and if others want to search around for their own information then i have given them a carrot to do so.
Get back to your important job and stop trying to intimidate people through PM
Do NOT order anyone around, do not tell me what to do
no i havent but i like to use 20-30mg 1,3-Dimethylamylamine PreWO with Beta-a from pp and ASGT its a nice prew/o mix.Has anyone here used the "ultimate weight loss stack" at this site elite-n.co.uk ? its 1,3-Dimethylamylamine,Caffeine, Synephrine Hcl and
Yohimbine Hcl.
We've all been waiting to see something on this....I take 6-8 grams cla a day, if there are any studies on cla that discredit it's use I would really like to know, goonstopper help a brotha out yo
Drop some knowledge on thus thread
FYI I love cla
You shouldFYI I love cla