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    All out balls to the wall fat loss stack log :)


    So here it is, my attempt to lose this last 25lbs and get rid of all this fat on my body.

    Here' the game plan...

    Fat-loss Supplements:
    TTA-500 - 1g per day
    EC- 3x a day (25mg E, 200mg C)
    EGCG - 6 caps a day
    CLA - 6 caps a day
    Sesamin 2 caps a day
    Home made transdermal cream - 2 pumps per day on stomach and love handles
    (per pump = 22.8mg Rasberry Ketones, 30.42mg Yohimbine HCL)

    Pre-workout supps:
    Citruvol - 4caps pre workout
    Ultra cordygen V02- 3caps preworkout
    Hemodraulix - 6caps preworkout

    Daily Supps:
    BCAA- 6 scoops in a gallon of water and consumed daily
    Yellow gold - Going to be using P-slin with my carbs untill I get my capper comes in the mail and then will be using 00 caps of YG. 2 caps with large carb meals and 1 cap with smaller ones, also a cap with sesamin.
    Essential fatty acids - 6 caps a day
    Somnidren - 1/2 scoop daily before bed
    Zinc - 50mg before bed
    magnesium- 250mg pre bed

    Diet:
    My eating is basically going to try and consist of just eating clean. I am a former anabolic diet follower but have added carbs backinto my life ad reduced my fat intake and have been maintaing weight here. So I am gonna try and make adjustments in the timing of my macros to help limit any fat gain and assist in the fat loss and muscle replenshing. Yellow gold or p-slin will be taken with any and all carb containing meals. Food choices are goona be:
    Fats:
    Natty PB
    Almonds
    EVO oil
    Carbs:
    Steel cut oats
    ezekial bread
    Basmati Rice
    Fruit:
    Bananas
    Oranges
    Grape fruit
    blueberries
    Veggies:
    Green beans
    Romaine lettuce
    Kale
    Spinach
    Broccoli
    Protein:
    Chicken breast or ground chicken
    Ground beef
    Eggs
    Tuna (canned)
    Other wild caught fishes

    Here is where I will need the most help. Since I have added carbs back in it has turned into a slippery slope and I tend to casually slip up here and there and it starts to become more frequent. Right now I feel determined to stay strict and on task. I will post EVERYTHING I eat every day and please if I need my ass kicked for eating wrong please don't hesitate. Not sure if I should incorporate any cheat meals or days in this or justtry and stay cleanfor the next 30days straight. Calories aim to be around 2k-2300.

    Workout/Cardio
    Going to lift Full Body 3x a week and have cardio on off days. Weightlifting will be done in AM before work. Here is what my week will look like.

    M- Lift
    T- Stationary Bike/Eliptical/Swimming
    W- Lift
    Tr- Distant jogging or sled drags once snow clears and Judo in PM
    F- Lift
    Sa&Su- Rest


    I think thats all I will be adding more if I forgot anything. Gonna try and kick this off next monday.
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    subbed nice stack, ill be following to see how the TTA works I have a bottle of it myself.
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    Subbed good luck.
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    Alright home slice.. lets do it man... What you need to do is post up Pictures, you'll be suprised how much that will push you to achive your results..

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    He is right Josh! Let's do the damn thang!!!!!! I am in deeper than a cows foot stuck in the mud. YEPPERS!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sanchezgreg18 View Post
    subbed nice stack, ill be following to see how the TTA works I have a bottle of it myself.
    LOL I dont think you'll be able to determine whats doing what with that many variables. Any how good luck man!
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    that is a whole lot of OEP my man good luck have you run oep before i'm on my 3rd week and still doing good with 2 a day
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    Subbed. Good luck! Gonna run oep next month.
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    looks great looking forward to seeing your results
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    subbed in Josh and good luck... especially with 5 a day OEP... when you get off the ceiling, let us know!!
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    205 down to 180? Too easy. You could do that blindfolded. Do work!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    So here it is, my attempt to lose this last 25lbs and get rid of all this fat on my body.

    Here' the game plan...

    Fat-loss Supplements:
    OEP - 3caps AM 2caps afternoon
    TTA-500 - 1cap 4x a day
    ECA- 2x a day (25mg E, 200mg C, 325mg A)
    EGCG - 6 caps a day
    CLA - 6caps a day
    Sesamin 6 caps a day
    Home made transdermal cream - 2 pumps per day on stomach and love handles
    (per pump = 22.8mg Rasberry Ketones, 30.42mg Yohimbine HCL)

    Pre-workout supps:
    Citruvol - 4caps pre workout
    Ultra cordygen V02- 3caps preworkout
    Geranium - ? Trial and error to find a nice energy kick pre workout
    Hemodraulix - 6caps preworkout

    Daily Supps:
    BCAA- 6 scoops in a gallon of water and consumed daily
    Yellow gold or p-slin - ANY SUGGESTIONS ON HOW MUCH YG I SHOULD CAP FOR NUTRIENT PARTIONING???
    Essential fatty acids - 6 caps a day
    Somnidren - 1/2 scoop daily before bed
    Zinc - 50mg before bed
    magnesium- 250mg pre bed
    Scivation solution 5 - serving size: 2 scoops 183cal/ 6.5-F/ 8-C/ 21-P
    ATW whey blend - serving size: 2 scoops 222cal/ 4-F/ 4-C/ 44-P
    Generic Multivitamin
    generic antioxident


    Diet:
    My eating is basically going to try and consist of just eating clean. I am a former anabolic diet follower but have added carbs backinto my life ad reduced my fat intake and have been maintaing weight here. So I am gonna try and make adjustments in the timing of my macros to help limit any fat gain and assist in the fat loss and muscle replenshing. Yellow gold or p-slin will be taken with any and all carb containing meals. Food choices are goona be:
    Fats:
    Natty PB
    Almonds
    EVO oil
    Carbs:
    Steel cut oats
    ezekial bread
    Basmati Rice
    Fruit:
    Bananas
    Oranges
    Grape fruit
    blueberries
    Veggies:
    Green beans
    Romaine lettuce
    Kale
    Spinach
    Broccoli
    Protein:
    Chicken breast or ground chicken
    Ground beef
    Eggs
    Tuna (canned)
    Other wild caught fishes

    Here is where I will need the most help. Since I have added carbs back in it has turned into a slippery slope and I tend to casually slip up here and there and it starts to become more frequent. Right now I feel determined to stay strict and on task. I will post EVERYTHING I eat every day and please if I need my ass kicked for eating wrong please don't hesitate. Not sure if I should incorporate any cheat meals or days in this or justtry and stay cleanfor the next 30days straight.

    Workout/Cardio
    Going to lift Full Body 3x a week and have cardio on off days. Weightlifting will be done in AM before work. Here is what my week will look like.

    M- Lift
    T- Stationary Bike/Eliptical/Swimming
    W- Lift
    Tr- Distant jogging or sled drags once snow clears and Judo in PM
    F- Lift
    Sa&Su- Rest


    I think thats all I will be adding more if I forgot anything. Gonna try and kick this off next monday.

    Are you sure you want to take 325mg Aspirin twice a day? Typically it's 80-90 mg with each ECA dose.
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    hell of a stack. I would look into the Aspirin issue. I find EC just as effective for me without the A
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaelael View Post
    SUBBED!!! I"M IN LIKE FLINT AND FIRST ONE WOOO HOOO!!!!
    BOOM BOOM POW!!! Ready to attack this stubborn fat and destroy it man!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by sanchezgreg18 View Post
    subbed nice stack, ill be following to see how the TTA works I have a bottle of it myself.
    I had picked up the TTA a while back when DCP was no where to be found. TTA is one of the ingredients in the fat buring arsenal that is DCP so I am hoping to get some great results from the TTA considering how much good things I hear of DCP. We will see, but I have so much going on here it is going to be next to impossible to gauge the effectiveness of the TTA.

    Oh and I definetely am going to be stealing some recipies from you homie

    Quote Originally Posted by Tomahawk88 View Post
    Subbed good luck.
    Thanks bud!! Have you every tried V02? I am gonna pop a few caps pre judo and see how it helps my endurance, stamina, and gasping for air status. might be something to look into for your wrestling

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    You get one heck of a fat burning stack....cant wait to see how it treats u
    Glad to have you onboard GH I got me a tub of yellow gold and gonna take your advice. Any meal I eat containing carbs gonna have a nutrient partioner with it. Hopefully it will help deter any fat spillover from the carbs and just feed my baby muscles.

    Quote Originally Posted by Liftergym33 View Post
    Alright home slice.. lets do it man... What you need to do is post up Pictures, you'll be suprised how much that will push you to achive your results..

    Thats one hell of a sup list....Wowzersss
    Roger that LG will do!! I will have picks up tomorow of my fat pewney self. Will post measurements with the mayotape and BF %'s and I totally agree. I used to take pictures weekly and save them onto my desktop and whenever I looked at them I could see the progression and just want to keep going. Don't know why I stopped doing that but Ima start it back up

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    He is right Josh! Let's do the damn thang!!!!!! I am in deeper than a cows foot stuck in the mud. YEPPERS!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    I triple tamp my yellow gold size 00 and take 1 for small carb meals and 2 for moderate to large.
    Glad your in here big homie! Thanks for the yellow gold info there, I dont have a capper I hand cap But I ordered one and its on the way. I have been waiting for nutra to restock it but found it somewhere else so I should be able to stuff my 00 caps and take like you said above. Untill they get here ima just finish up this pslin I have. And be careful with that mud its a bitch to get your foot out once its stuck

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    LOL I dont think you'll be able to determine whats doing what with that many variables. Any how good luck man!
    Thanks for joinging the fun guys! And thump your absolutely correct there is no way I can really gauge the effectiveness of just TTA. I was a little hesitant on running so much at one time but I decided everything has its part and its not really doubling up on ingredients so hopefully they will all work in conjunction to make for some incredible fat loss because each component is great on its own.

    Quote Originally Posted by metroba View Post
    do work son
    Metro! How the heck you been man! You see Im still doing your amino thing here, tryna get cut like you big dawg Put on a couple pounds since I did the apido log, looking to straight up destroy and conquor it once and for all!

    Quote Originally Posted by mixedup View Post
    that is a whole lot of OEP my man good luck have you run oep before i'm on my 3rd week and still doing good with 2 a day
    Quote Originally Posted by Army Guy View Post
    subbed in Josh and good luck... especially with 5 a day OEP... when you get off the ceiling, let us know!!
    Maybe I'll start out with less and see how it goes then.

    Quote Originally Posted by kyoryoko View Post
    Subbed. Good luck! Gonna run oep next month.
    Quote Originally Posted by trojanman1016 View Post
    looks great looking forward to seeing your results
    Glad to have you on board for all the madness felllas :bigthumbup:

    Quote Originally Posted by SilentBob187 View Post
    205 down to 180? Too easy. You could do that blindfolded. Do work!
    LOL, 180 is the goal. I made it 180 because I felt it was definetely attainable and I wasnt shooting too high so once I hit it I am just gonna be so stoked I keep going. I am really concerned with my BF% more. Gonna post it up soon and see a target % to try and get to, but this is not stopping at 180. It stops whereever it stops at. I got alot of fat on me and not much muscle so I got some serious fat weight to shed here. BTW are you still taking the ephedera with your OEP? Were you taking the caffeine and asprin with it too? Or just the ephedera? I was thinking 2 OEP am then 1 Oep afternoon with ECA and then ECA again later on in the day... How were you dosing it so I can copy

    Quote Originally Posted by youngandfree View Post
    Are you sure you want to take 325mg Aspirin twice a day? Typically it's 80-90 mg with each ECA dose.
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    hell of a stack. I would look into the Aspirin issue. I find EC just as effective for me without the A
    Thats how I have ran it in the past. I got the adult asprin not the baby ones. I knew people opted for the baby one because it was less rough on their stomachs for them but I never had an issue with it so I never switched to the baby ones. Unless it will negatively effect my health or progress I plan on stickig with what I got but I can always break em in half if anything
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    1. Unless you're using a localized, topical formula (and I'm pretty sure that you're not), scrap the Y-HCl.
    2. If you love your libido, do not take 6 caps of sesamin a day.
    3. Be very, very careful combining TTA and sesamin. They hit the same receptors and can have some nasty sides. I'd say to do 1g TTA and 2 sesamin a day, at most.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    1. Unless you're using a localized, topical formula (and I'm pretty sure that you're not), scrap the Y-HCl.
    2. If you love your libido, do not take 6 caps of sesamin a day.
    3. Be very, very careful combining TTA and sesamin. They hit the same receptors and can have some nasty sides. I'd say to do 1g TTA and 2 sesamin a day, at most.
    1. I am using the penetrate bottle from NP and added in 3g Rasberry ketones and 4g Y-HCI. I heated it and mixed it all in and planned on applying it to my stomach and love handles. I got at the numbers from other topical products (specifically lipoderm and dermatherm) Why you you suggest to not use the bottle? I mixed it all up yestarday and can't wait to try it out

    2. Wow I didnt know it would effect my libido, I will DEFINETELY cut that down.. Look like Ima have to include some libido checks in the log

    3. Also did not know this. I will adjust my dosing to as you suggested.
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    That topical is systemic and not localized. You had a good idea, but you went about it the wrong way. Plus, combining Y-HCl and AY is redundant (per Dsade's recommendations).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    That topical is systemic and not localized. You had a good idea, but you went about it the wrong way. Plus, combining Y-HCl and AY is redundant (per Dsade's recommendations).
    Whats AY?

    How should I have went about this topical cream then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Whats AY?

    How should I have went about this topical cream then?
    Alpha-Yohimbine (one of the main actives in OEP).

    With this particular transdermal formula, there is not much you could have really done from a fatloss perspective. It's main efficacy is for hormones.
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    I don't think there are any additional benefits to taking that much aspirin, just get the baby stuff.
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    I thought they redid the Penetrate a while back so that it was good for Yohimbine HCL? I read it when ordering some a while back. Yohimbine still works as a potent thermogenic when taken orally and I get good results from it in the transdermal. It may not be localized which benefits spot reduction but both I and my wife get great results from it just soaking in and doing it's thing.

    Josh, I do think you are going to fry your CNS with all of this at once, the ECA stack, OEP, and Geranium for your workout is a lot of stims bro then the kick you will get from the Transdermal will be on top of that. I would change your schedule up and limit to 2 thermo type things at once. Perhaps the ECA stack now with the Rub since you have been using OEP, then in 2-3 weeks switch up to the OEP, then back to the ECA. This will keep your body from climatizing to either one. By the way the reason for the Asprin in ECA is to thin the blood lowering blood pressure. You can bypass this completely by using some Hawthorn Berry which lowers blood pressure to but won't make you bleed out if you are cut.

    The TTA and sesamine both leech lipids from fat stores to be used as energy, however without something like Salvia M. (Out of stock for a year now) to keep it from being redeposited it can be easily redeposited as fat. The good news is that the berberine in yellow gold turns of the Glut4 uptake reaction in the fat cells not allowing the lipids to be redeposited, leaving the fat leeched out by TTA and Sesamine in the bloodstream to be used for energy or flushed in your urine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by youngandfree View Post
    I don't think there are any additional benefits to taking that much aspirin, just get the baby stuff.
    I thought the purpose of the asprin was to extend the half life of the ephedera
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    I thought the purpose of the asprin was to extend the half life of the ephedera
    It's to alleviate the BP potential, not to extend the T 1/2. You're taking way, way too much stims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    I thought they redid the Penetrate a while back so that it was good for Yohimbine HCL? I read it when ordering some a while back. Yohimbine still works as a potent thermogenic when taken orally and I get good results from it in the transdermal. It may not be localized which benefits spot reduction but both I and my wife get great results from it just soaking in and doing it's thing.

    Josh, I do think you are going to fry your CNS with all of this at once, the ECA stack, OEP, and Geranium for your workout is a lot of stims bro then the kick you will get from the Transdermal will be on top of that. I would change your schedule up and limit to 2 thermo type things at once. Perhaps the ECA stack now with the Rub since you have been using OEP, then in 2-3 weeks switch up to the OEP, then back to the ECA. This will keep your body from climatizing to either one. By the way the reason for the Asprin in ECA is to thin the blood lowering blood pressure. You can bypass this completely by using some Hawthorn Berry which lowers blood pressure to but won't make you bleed out if you are cut.

    The TTA and sesamine both leech lipids from fat stores to be used as energy, however without something like Salvia M. (Out of stock for a year now) to keep it from being redeposited it can be easily redeposited as fat. The good news is that the berberine in yellow gold turns of the Glut4 uptake reaction in the fat cells not allowing the lipids to be redeposited, leaving the fat leeched out by TTA and Sesamine in the bloodstream to be used for energy or flushed in your urine.
    Ok so gonna hold off on the oep since I did just run it gonna stick with the ECA and penetrate bottle for now then switch to just oep later. As for the TTA and sesamin should I spread it out throughout the day or just all at once and take the YG with it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    It's to alleviate the BP potential, not to extend the T 1/2. You're taking way, way too much stims.
    Yea I'm starting to realize that I went a tad bit overboard .. I am cutting out some of the supps and gonna be editing the first post to reflect these changes. OEP and geranium will be taken out all together. Also the TTA and sesamin intake will be adjusted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Ok so gonna hold off on the oep since I did just run it gonna stick with the ECA and penetrate bottle for now then switch to just oep later. As for the TTA and sesamin should I spread it out throughout the day or just all at once and take the YG with it?
    I have never taken the TTA so i can't say on that. I take Sesamine 2-3 times a day though, 1 is for pre fasted training with a yellow gold will help you acheive keto during the workout as well. Otherwise I am not sure how to tell you to take the TTA.
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    First post edited to reflect the new changes made. I had a feeling when I was originally typing all this up that something was gonna end up conflicting. Big thanks to Kleen and Rodja for the advice on the changes made. At the end of the day today Ima post my eating timeline to give an idea of how I am eating and what needs to be adjusted food choices and timing wise.

    Here is the changes made:

    OEP - ON HOLD
    ECA- asprin was taken out so just EC now
    TTA- Reduced to 1g a day
    Sesamin- Reduced to 2 a day
    Geranium- Taken out all together
    Yellow Gold - 2 "00" caps with large carb meals 1 "00" cap with smaller carb meals.


    On a side note: I did some cardio today and took the v02 pre and was surprised that after just one dose I felt a difference. I have asthma and dont run much so tend to get winded pretty easily but held up pretty good today. Did stationary bike 30mins, eliptical 30mins, and 6 laps in the pool. Real excited to see how I do at Judo thursday (weather permitting).
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    Good changes, more isnt always better especially with fat burning stims. Rely on ur diet and let the fat burners be that extra to quicken ur progress.

    V02 is no joke...its staple now for judo or intense cardio sessions. One day i went on a two mile jog without it, christ i was screaming for that V02 after the mile was done haha.
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    You could still use a cap of geranium on workouts for energy since taking Hemo and it does not provide energy only killer pumps. Just don't use the transdermal at that time. That is what I would do so you still have tons of kick for your workout.
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    tta worked pretty well for reducing body fat for myself three years ago.

    did sesamin at a separate time over five years ago, and it seemed to help. Rodja is correct too much can cause erection dysfunction.2-3 a day will probably be fine.

    I could be wrong as I have been before isn't geranium a sympathomimetic (it was originally released as a nasal decongestant in the 1930's I think) ephedrine where ephedrine barely crosses the brain blood barrier and geranium crosses it much greater, that is why it is smoother and feels better. So i would stick to either ephedrine or geranium and not combine them.

    The S-Gh will help a lot with the sleep.
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    Todays Eating..

    Today was my school day where I am away from home from 8am till 1030pm. I hate these days as my college doesnt have a communter lounge so no microwave only a cafeteria and its 45mins from my house. So I usually grab some to go foods and put them in my backpack for the day, just very limited in my choices. BTW if anyone can off any suggestions for food choices I can brind these days please do. So here is how today went.

    8am woke up (Slept in a little and missed my first class, was up late studying for chem exam)
    810am 1 Pslin cap
    830am - 1/2 cup steel cut oats, 2oz blueberries, 21g honey, 2 scoop ATW whey blend
    10am- Chemistry class. Only took a exam so got out early, usually class is till 1:30
    12pm- 2 scoop ATW whey, 1oz almonds, 1 med banana, 3 V02 caps
    1230-2pm Gym- Bike, elipitical, swimming.
    210pm- 5oz Ground beef made into patties
    230-5pm - Back at school in library studying
    5pm - 7oz ground beef made into patties
    8pm-10pm in class
    1030 - Somnidren

    Grand totals
    Calories - 2126
    Fat - 89g
    Sat fat- 27.2g
    Total Carb - 149.1
    Fiber - 19.5
    Net Carbs - 129.6
    Protein - 196.5

    Though about having a shake before bed but decided against the extra calories and I wasnt really hungry for it, just wanted the extra protein. Maybe I should have had just one scoop.

    How does it all look? I would have liked to have some sort of greens with my 2pm and 5pm meals but I didnt have any. I usually have some green beans or romaine lettuce with those later meals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Grand totals
    Calories - 2126
    Fat - 89g
    Sat fat- 27.2g
    Total Carb - 149.1
    Fiber - 19.5
    Net Carbs - 129.6
    Protein - 196.5
    Maybe do those green beans next time. Fiber's a little low. If you can, try to shoot for at least 30g a day. Everything else looks good to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smeton_yea View Post
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    I could be wrong as I have been before isn't geranium a sympathomimetic (it was originally released as a nasal decongestant in the 1930's I think) ephedrine where ephedrine barely crosses the brain blood barrier and geranium crosses it much greater, that is why it is smoother and feels better. So i would stick to either ephedrine or geranium and not combine them.
    bump for any one that knows. I am just trying to get the facts strait.
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