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Is English your first language? Serious question.I've asked because filosofic I believe that carb cycling is more healthy and easy to mantain gains or loses. I always put gilt of fat. Its 9kcal per gram! without any lost inside the body. But macdonalds book made some good points in keto diet eith logical arguments.
I choose carb cycling, then I say U how it is!
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PS. I am not talking about CKD, I am talking about the diet based on carbs pump up, with some restriction some days, but with limited fat too! The limitation in fat played the rule for me!
Carb and protein got 4kcal per gram, but it takes about 40% to me metabolized, even if it is for instant usage! so at true, carb and protein have something about 2,5kcal per gram!!!
I think everyone else covered most of this for you, but I just wanted to add that a CKD is no easier than a KD... if this is what you mean... In fact, the carb up days do not make the diet more sane or more manageable. The carb-up days leave you feeling like a zombie that's ready to burst. Bloat, lethargy, and more lethargy lolI
F. ex.: I see that KD really works well, but it is a bad period that U take in ur life! On the other hand, this carbo cycle could be softer, but is it that good as kd? Is it better, at all?
Tks
the cut diet isnt low carb. You eat lean meat, good mat, and veggies almost every meal. It is on the third day for your last meal it is a carb refeed where you eat a bunch of carbs.no carb cycling is when you have low carb days and high carb days. you never really have no carb days. So for instance it might be 75g carbs monday, 150 tuesday and 200 wed.
hows it going B? I need to email for a sample of rag ultra
What does eating carbs have to do with maintaining muscle? Carbs are an energy source. Muscles are built and maintained with protein.If you just want to lose weight period then go with the ketogenic, if you want to lose some weight while retaining muscle mass go for some sort of carb cycling.
i do year round strict low carbs, 40 grams a day at most and have plenty of energy. you will be fine and you can make muscle gains no problem if you eat enough protein and quality fats.As a requirement for instense activity - muscle needs glucose, and if you are in ketosis and have no glycogen, (aka not carb loading), then your body will break down muscle faster during excercise just to fuel the energy needed, and your sessions will be less intense as well. This is why a CKD is more beneficial for active people. I think in a strictly ketogenic diet, muscle will not be maintained as well due to loss of strength and intensity in the gym, and gym sessions will become too catabolic.
^^^^Good Post!^^^^i do year round strict low carbs, 40 grams a day at most and have plenty of energy. you will be fine and you can make muscle gains no problem if you eat enough protein and quality fats.
just make sure your nutrition is up, you ketones will use your fat as your energy source which is much more stable long term than crappy glycogen. your body creates glycogen is some way anyways but im not qualified to speak about that plenty of info on the net.
^^^^Good Post!^^^^
GP, Are you speaking from opinion? Not trying to be disrespectful. I'm just wondering if you have any studies to back up your point? The reason why I'm asking is that I tend to be more athletic and have more energy while in ketosis than when in glucosis. Maybe I'm a freak but I feel GREAT when carbs are restricted. But this is only my experience. If you're taking in adequate protein not only will you not lose any muscle, you will gain.
I agree. But you gotta love the carb up effects afterwards.I do the anabolic diet and have grown to hate carb days. Especially if I have to work that weekend I feel like crap and am yawning all dag long. It amazes me how my body gets used to using fat as energy and when I eat carbs it has such a strong Downer effect
thomas waddup man? havent seen you on the boards in a while.I agree. But you gotta love the carb up effects afterwards.
the same goes for me, and I have tried bothPersonally, carb cycling works way better for me than keto
Hi,Some thoughts.. There is so much discussion about different diet approaches to loosing body fat. I have not settled on one yet, although, I am trying the "Targeted Keto Diet" now.
So here are some of the pieces I understand to loosing body fat.
1) Glucagon is the hormone produced by the pancreas that tells the body to utilize body fat to be metabolized for energy.
2) Glucagon is activated in times of low blood sugar / glucose ... opposite to Insulin.
So as I understand it.. the rate and degree to which one can loose body fat depends on when the glucagon hormone is active which is directly proportional to the frequency and duration of keeping blood sugar (glucose low).
The type of food, the amount of food, and the frequency of eating will all influence the above. Additionally, the total calories the body burns (bmr, activity level, etc) and hence the glucose draw from the blood stream and liver (not including glycogen in the muscles).
So I think any of the diets can accomplish this, its then a question of which one will produce the greatest rate of fat loss (and prevent muscle loss which I'll mention next). I believe (only opinion on my part right now) the the order of the diets from those that will cause slow fat loss to those that will provide rapid fat loss are:
1) regular diet which simply lowers carbs a small amount to effect a 500 calorie per day deficit.
2) carb cycling which greatly reduces carbs to bringing them back up to a full load usually cycled over 3 to 4 days.
3) targeted keto diet. standar keto diet, but add carbs targeted just before workout with the aim that they support workout intensity and are burned off as a function of the workout. During times of no carb, low blood sugar activates glucagon to casue fat burn through keto.
4) cyclic keto diet. loads carbs to a person specific level to fill muscle glycogen ie. on a Fri eve and Sat., then allows for a specific workout routine which will draw down no more than the carbs loaded. i.e. M, T weights; W, TH low intensity cardio, F weights or circuit workout. The abscence of carb intake after saturday and to Fri eve keep blood sugar low during the week activating glucagon to cause fat burn through keto.
5) standard keto. no carb loads or targets..
So which one prevents muscle loss or could cause more muscle loss..
Here is how I understand we loose muscle:
1) over training in the gym: overtraining occurs when the glycogen in the muscle is depleted, there is no glucose in the bloodstream to draw on and the liver has provided what it stored to the bloodstream already. What prevents overtraining? Eating strategically, and not working out so long on a given muscle group in terms of sets, reps, and rest period. Muscle groups can not share their store of glycogen with another muscle.
2) we have voluntary and involuntary muscles: in the abscence of carbs and fat consumed calories, the body will then seek protein first in the blood (as in the protein you drink) the it resorts to protein in the liver, muscles, then other organs ... (called gluconeogenesis) in that priority. if there is no mechanical activity required of the voluntary muscles (ie the couch potatoe) then there is no energy consumption. But our involuntary muscles are still consuming energy for vital life support. Your brain consumes 20% of your calories!
So how do you prevent muscle loss.. dont let your bodily energy requirements deplete you carb and fat calories which includes the glycogen in the muscles, glucose in the blood stream, and glycogen in the liver... and of course provide the protein/amino acids for muscle rebuilding if we are considering that.
So now, how do you activate fat burning (activating glucagon, by low glucose level in the blood stream) while at the same time have the calories for the muscles? I think from the above, you can figure the answer.
My fear with diets that just lower the carbs to create a calorie deficit is that there is not enough to fully activate the glucagon (pancreas) to draw on fat for energy, yet the muscle may be running on a glycogen and glucose deficit (as well as liver glycogen) and have to resort to gluconeogenesis (protein break down).
Thats why Im more receptive to the keto diet. It is producing ketones to supply energy/glucose etc. Obviously not enough ketones if one is still doing intense workouts.. But that is where the cyclic and targeted ketosis diets come in where they ensure the carbs are in place to support the workout and prevent muscle loss. In the case of the cyclic, the workout energy draw has to match the carb load from the weekend. In the case of the targeted keto, the carb load is specific to the exercise sets and is taken just before the workout.
Im not convinced which diet, the cyclic keto or the targeted keto, will have the most rapid fat loss. I have a feeling the cyclic, but it takes a little more coordination. I believe both will prevent muscle loss better than a diet that just reduces carbs for a calorie deficit.
So.. just my opinion based on my current knowledge.
I'd appreciate informed comments as Im still trying to develop a thorough understanding of this myself.
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