Carbohydrate Cycling Diet vs ketogenic diet??

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  1. Carbohydrate Cycling Diet vs ketogenic diet??


    Which one gives more best results?


  2. what does "more best results" mean to you?
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  3. I mean: that really works, at least, most of the time! Faster, good after diet...
    F. ex.: I see that KD really works well, but it is a bad period that U take in ur life! On the other hand, this carbo cycle could be softer, but is it that good as kd? Is it better, at all?
    Tks

  4. maybe you are missing my point. every diet type and structure has different pluses and minuses. If one was better in all ways than every other diet structure then nobody would use anything else.

    Whenever you eat a small amount (250-750) less calories a day than you take in, you will lose weight and fat. So all diets when applied correctly really work.

  5. right, but let's compare another way.
    which is more efficas? real 1-ad or new 1-ad?
    No doubts: real 1-ad, because of many thing!!
    That's the point: I know both are good ones, both works (like both "1-ad" versions!!) but which one of these diets type is better?
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    Your analogies are ridiclous. Both diet are good, better or best with variables that go far beyond your analogies.

  7. If you mean CKD vs just Keto, then CKD is better if you are active, keto is more suited to couch potatoes.

  8. there is relatively limited data showing a CKD or TKD or any sort of ketogenic diet is significantly better at losing fat + maintaining lean mass than a standard reduced calorie diet that includes carbs. The fact that tons of bodybuilders do it doesn't mean it works better. For a lot I think its just that it helps with hunger, and doing either carb cycling or a CKD with large carbup helps make it easier mentally to deal with carb cravings as you just have to put it off till next high carb day and know that you can go ahead and have the pancakes and syrup that day

  9. I've asked because filosofic I believe that carb cycling is more healthy and easy to mantain gains or loses. I always put gilt of fat. Its 9kcal per gram! without any lost inside the body. But macdonalds book made some good points in keto diet eith logical arguments.
    I choose carb cycling, then I say U how it is!
    tks

    PS. I am not talking about CKD, I am talking about the diet based on carbs pump up, with some restriction some days, but with limited fat too! The limitation in fat played the rule for me!
    Carb and protein got 4kcal per gram, but it takes about 40% to me metabolized, even if it is for instant usage! so at true, carb and protein have something about 2,5kcal per gram!!!

  10. explain the carb cycling diet you speak of more in dept please...
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  11. its a common diet, vary calories and carbs through the week with high days (over 200g/day) and low days (under 50g/day). nothing magical, sometimes gives you a little better endurance in the gym since you can stagger higher carb days around longer workouts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anbes View Post
    I've asked because filosofic I believe that carb cycling is more healthy and easy to mantain gains or loses. I always put gilt of fat. Its 9kcal per gram! without any lost inside the body. But macdonalds book made some good points in keto diet eith logical arguments.
    I choose carb cycling, then I say U how it is!
    tks

    PS. I am not talking about CKD, I am talking about the diet based on carbs pump up, with some restriction some days, but with limited fat too! The limitation in fat played the rule for me!
    Carb and protein got 4kcal per gram, but it takes about 40% to me metabolized, even if it is for instant usage! so at true, carb and protein have something about 2,5kcal per gram!!!
    Is English your first language? Serious question.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by anbes View Post
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    F. ex.: I see that KD really works well, but it is a bad period that U take in ur life! On the other hand, this carbo cycle could be softer, but is it that good as kd? Is it better, at all?
    Tks
    I think everyone else covered most of this for you, but I just wanted to add that a CKD is no easier than a KD... if this is what you mean... In fact, the carb up days do not make the diet more sane or more manageable. The carb-up days leave you feeling like a zombie that's ready to burst. Bloat, lethargy, and more lethargy lol
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    I would agree with the above regarding the carb comma. But I usually do my refeeds after several days of depleted cardio and the day before the beginning of my workout split. The restored glycogen returns energy, restokes leptin and elevates the mood back to reasonable again.

  15. carb cycling of some sort is more of a lifestyle diet imo and works very well.

    ckd is a shock diet and works for short periods of time, again imo.

    ive done both and prefer carb cycling over a ckd.

    ckd seems to work for those looking to lose large amounts of bf, whereas with a carb cyclic diet ppl seem to do better when they are looking to firm up a little more. with a ckd you are likely to lose more muscle mass if you dont do it correctly and its a very scientific type of diet that requires extensive knowledge of how the diet works and how you respond to macro manipulation.

    what up easy?

  16. Would carb cycling be like the scivation cut diet plan where you carb load every 3rd day and the rest of the days its all chicken, almonds, and green beans
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  17. no carb cycling is when you have low carb days and high carb days. you never really have no carb days. So for instance it might be 75g carbs monday, 150 tuesday and 200 wed.

    hows it going B? I need to email for a sample of rag ultra

  18. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    no carb cycling is when you have low carb days and high carb days. you never really have no carb days. So for instance it might be 75g carbs monday, 150 tuesday and 200 wed.

    hows it going B? I need to email for a sample of rag ultra
    the cut diet isnt low carb. You eat lean meat, good mat, and veggies almost every meal. It is on the third day for your last meal it is a carb refeed where you eat a bunch of carbs.

    They have it laid out very specific as to what foods to eat and what not too...

    I was just wondering if this was like carb cycling or are they 2 different things
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  19. If you just want to lose weight period then go with the ketogenic, if you want to lose some weight while retaining muscle mass go for some sort of carb cycling.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by danieltx13 View Post
    If you just want to lose weight period then go with the ketogenic, if you want to lose some weight while retaining muscle mass go for some sort of carb cycling.
    What does eating carbs have to do with maintaining muscle? Carbs are an energy source. Muscles are built and maintained with protein.

  21. As a requirement for instense activity - muscle needs glucose, and if you are in ketosis and have no glycogen, (aka not carb loading), then your body will break down muscle faster during excercise just to fuel the energy needed, and your sessions will be less intense as well. This is why a CKD is more beneficial for active people. I think in a strictly ketogenic diet, muscle will not be maintained as well due to loss of strength and intensity in the gym, and gym sessions will become too catabolic.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    As a requirement for instense activity - muscle needs glucose, and if you are in ketosis and have no glycogen, (aka not carb loading), then your body will break down muscle faster during excercise just to fuel the energy needed, and your sessions will be less intense as well. This is why a CKD is more beneficial for active people. I think in a strictly ketogenic diet, muscle will not be maintained as well due to loss of strength and intensity in the gym, and gym sessions will become too catabolic.
    i do year round strict low carbs, 40 grams a day at most and have plenty of energy. you will be fine and you can make muscle gains no problem if you eat enough protein and quality fats.

    just make sure your nutrition is up, you ketones will use your fat as your energy source which is much more stable long term than crappy glycogen. your body creates glycogen is some way anyways but im not qualified to speak about that plenty of info on the net.
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    i do year round strict low carbs, 40 grams a day at most and have plenty of energy. you will be fine and you can make muscle gains no problem if you eat enough protein and quality fats.

    just make sure your nutrition is up, you ketones will use your fat as your energy source which is much more stable long term than crappy glycogen. your body creates glycogen is some way anyways but im not qualified to speak about that plenty of info on the net.
    ^^^^Good Post!^^^^

    GP, Are you speaking from opinion? Not trying to be disrespectful. I'm just wondering if you have any studies to back up your point? The reason why I'm asking is that I tend to be more athletic and have more energy while in ketosis than when in glucosis. Maybe I'm a freak but I feel GREAT when carbs are restricted. But this is only my experience. If you're taking in adequate protein not only will you not lose any muscle, you will gain.

  24. I do the anabolic diet and have grown to hate carb days. Especially if I have to work that weekend I feel like crap and am yawning all dag long. It amazes me how my body gets used to using fat as energy and when I eat carbs it has such a strong Downer effect

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Bionic View Post
    ^^^^Good Post!^^^^

    GP, Are you speaking from opinion? Not trying to be disrespectful. I'm just wondering if you have any studies to back up your point? The reason why I'm asking is that I tend to be more athletic and have more energy while in ketosis than when in glucosis. Maybe I'm a freak but I feel GREAT when carbs are restricted. But this is only my experience. If you're taking in adequate protein not only will you not lose any muscle, you will gain.

    Little bit from experience but mostly from reading on here and other places.

    I also feel great when carbs are restricted. But honestly is this good for your leptin if you do this year round without any carb ups? I am not too concerned with the effect on metabolism while remaining in a low carb diet, since I am taking T3/T4 always (HRT). But for the normal person, I have read studies about leptin, metabolism, neurotransmitters, and also effects on intense excercise.

    Energy itself is fine while on a restricted carb diet, but muscle endurance will definitely suffer. This I have noticed personally, and many many others as well. Muscle will not use fat during intense excercise...your body will still go through gluconeogenesis during intense activity. It will only burn fat during more steady state training. So muscle breakdown will occur to supply the necessary energy during intense training.

    I guess it all depends on how you train. I know that I can't train very well in a depleted state, if I am doing my regular full body circuit. Endurance is really hit hard.

    My muscle also feels 'flat' on a restricted carb diet, but for many days after a carb up, I feel like my skin is going to burst (in a good way)...awesome pumps, but I also heavily use YG + NA-RALA during carb ups.

    I'm trying to alter my diet to be lower carb in the long term though. I feel so much better overall. I have read that glutathione is really increased heavily while on a low carb diet (in ketosis) and this really helps boost liver function and overall detoxification.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    I do the anabolic diet and have grown to hate carb days. Especially if I have to work that weekend I feel like crap and am yawning all dag long. It amazes me how my body gets used to using fat as energy and when I eat carbs it has such a strong Downer effect
    I agree. But you gotta love the carb up effects afterwards.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by ThomasRivera View Post
    I agree. But you gotta love the carb up effects afterwards.
    thomas waddup man? havent seen you on the boards in a while.
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  28. Keto diets hands down. Ketones preservw lean body mass

    And the carb cycling you have a switch in metabolism which burns more aminos then ketogenic diets

    On top of that. As a natural. Cut on maintence calories in protein and fat. The workouts and cardio will put u in negative energy balance. This is good.

    I would like to see a decrease of 100 calories- 200 calories max per day to ensure preserving lean muscle mass.

  29. Any diet will work if you stick to what you outline for yourself. At the end of the day, it's a numbers game. Calories in - Calories out. I have done both diets with success. But I did see my best results with carb cycling. i just think that's because that worked better for me and my body responded to that better than CKD.
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