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    How bad are ketosticks?


    For the life of me I NEVER show ketosis...

    180-200 fats

    200-220 prot

    Taking a LOT of fat burners, not really doing cardio yet

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    Well if you are in a caloric deficet there shouldn't be many ketones around to be excreted. If you are basically running off of one energy source, you're body won't be p!ssinf out any extra.

    Depending on your metabolism and everything, stimulant fat burners can hinder getting into ketosis. Caffeine and other andrenergixc stimuli cause an increase in insulin which helps utilize any floating glucose. If there is enough glut 4 receptor expression, your body will slide into gluconeogenesis ( conversion of proteins to glucose). Which will keep you out of ketosis and waste away muscle mass.

    Also keep your water intake high can help with getting into ketosis.

    Hope that helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Socrates44 View Post
    Well if you are in a caloric deficet there shouldn't be many ketones around to be excreted. If you are basically running off of one energy source, you're body won't be p!ssinf out any extra.

    Depending on your metabolism and everything, stimulant fat burners can hinder getting into ketosis. Caffeine and other andrenergixc stimuli cause an increase in insulin which helps utilize any floating glucose. If there is enough glut 4 receptor expression, your body will slide into gluconeogenesis ( conversion of proteins to glucose). Which will keep you out of ketosis and waste away muscle mass.

    Also keep your water intake high can help with getting into ketosis.

    Hope that helps.
    So maybe drop the ECA?

    I am very very insulin insensitive (tested with injectable humalong), does this influence this in either way?
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    I would drop the e from the stack and try it with just the 200 mg of caff and a baby aspirin. Just to check it out. Also, I don't remember off the top of my head bit certain AA's are glycogenic ( leucine and alanine) check your supplementation for high levels. Since leucine is one of Bcaa's and generally in. 2:1:1 ratio of the others, that could be a problem. A lot of guys get themselves into trouble by taking stims and sucking down a bcaa cocktail and then get confused on why they can't turn that d@mn pregnancy stick purple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Socrates44 View Post
    I would drop the e from the stack and try it with just the 200 mg of caff and a baby aspirin. Just to check it out. Also, I don't remember off the top of my head bit certain AA's are glycogenic ( leucine and alanine) check your supplementation for high levels. Since leucine is one of Bcaa's and generally in. 2:1:1 ratio of the others, that could be a problem. A lot of guys get themselves into trouble by taking stims and sucking down a bcaa cocktail and then get confused on why they can't turn that d@mn pregnancy stick purple.
    No bcaa, even avoid whey as much as possible and eph is twice a day. I will cut it and see... I really hope I am not burning muscle....I got sick and lost all the muscle from my bulking cycle so I really cant lose anymore

    I dont think I am using glucogenesis much because during INTENSE sweating I only have a very slightly off smell not the true amonia smell of a catablic state

    Is clen any better?

    Could low dose t3 hurt? Low enough just to replace at hrt level (25mcg)
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    Just because it's in my nature I want to help you out man. I'm a 3rd year medical student with a pharmacy background, and you can take my wisdom with a grain of salt.

    Ease up on the stimulants, they wreck some major havoc on your body. Anyone who tells you different is lying. Everything that is brought into the body throws off some natural process. If this process is medically deficient, then the use is elicited. Clenbuterol, albuterol, caffeine, nicotine, t3... They are all exogenously being brought into a system to throw it off in some way. If you are throwing a cornacopia of drugs into your system, you can't adeqautely predict how your body is actually responding at a basal level.

    Lay off the stims. Eat good clean food. Train like a madman. It will come in time brother.


    Ps. Why are you running these stims when you want to put on muscle. Go on a clean bulk and then cut down. Just try without stims, it can be done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Socrates44 View Post
    Just because it's in my nature I want to help you out man. I'm a 3rd year medical student with a pharmacy background, and you can take my wisdom with a grain of salt.

    Ease up on the stimulants, they wreck some major havoc on your body. Anyone who tells you different is lying. Everything that is brought into the body throws off some natural process. If this process is medically deficient, then the use is elicited. Clenbuterol, albuterol, caffeine, nicotine, t3... They are all exogenously being brought into a system to throw it off in some way. If you are throwing a cornacopia of drugs into your system, you can't adeqautely predict how your body is actually responding at a basal level.

    Lay off the stims. Eat good clean food. Train like a madman. It will come in time brother.


    Ps. Why are you running these stims when you want to put on muscle. Go on a clean bulk and then cut down. Just try without stims, it can be done.
    I dont have time for a clean bulk... Being sick made me lose my muscle but now its too late in the summer. Have to get cut like last month
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    Quote Originally Posted by Socrates44 View Post
    I would drop the e from the stack and try it with just the 200 mg of caff and a baby aspirin. Just to check it out. Also, I don't remember off the top of my head bit certain AA's are glycogenic ( leucine and alanine) check your supplementation for high levels. Since leucine is one of Bcaa's and generally in. 2:1:1 ratio of the others, that could be a problem. A lot of guys get themselves into trouble by taking stims and sucking down a bcaa cocktail and then get confused on why they can't turn that d@mn pregnancy stick purple.
    I was wondering about this. I was doing a CKD diet with a Leviathan Reloaded/DCP/Napalm stack and sipping BCAA's during cardio. I never could make the ketostix change color, even when I had next to nothing for carbs...
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    Quote Originally Posted by petey7408 View Post
    I was wondering about this. I was doing a CKD diet with a Leviathan Reloaded/DCP/Napalm stack and sipping BCAA's during cardio. I never could make the ketostix change color, even when I had next to nothing for carbs...
    I dont even do BCAA and NOTHING on my keto
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    Ketostix are useless. IF you want certification from a ketostick, cut down your water intake until your pissing darkish yellow and it will turn purple. They are good for a beginners tool, but beyond that they can be thrown off by a few things.

    1. Too much or too little water can alter the color
    2. Whether or not you test before or after you've eaten
    3. Time of the day, your body will naturally produce ketones while you sleep.
    4. Storage, if they are kept in a humid area they will be useless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThomasRivera View Post
    Ketostix are useless. IF you want certification from a ketostick, cut down your water intake until your pissing darkish yellow and it will turn purple. They are good for a beginners tool, but beyond that they can be thrown off by a few things.

    1. Too much or too little water can alter the color
    2. Whether or not you test before or after you've eaten
    3. Time of the day, your body will naturally produce ketones while you sleep.
    4. Storage, if they are kept in a humid area they will be useless.
    Even first thing in am after sweating like an animal and so thirsty I can swallow i still get negative on the strips
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    Quote Originally Posted by justreading View Post
    For the life of me I NEVER show ketosis...

    180-200 fats

    200-220 prot

    Taking a LOT of fat burners, not really doing cardio yet
    ????????????????? will you please tell me more about it ..
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    You didnt mention your carb intake. If it is over 20-30 grams a day you probably won't go in to ketosis. Also as stated earlier the stimulants aren't helping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lozgod View Post
    You didnt mention your carb intake. If it is over 20-30 grams a day you probably won't go in to ketosis. Also as stated earlier the stimulants aren't helping.
    It is almost 0 - just some almonds here and there, maybe a tbs of peanut butter once a day...

    I think its the small dose of t3. just 25mcg but I cant stop it while dieting cause of the rebound
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    That is odd. You will be in ketosis with no carbs, the purpose of carbs is protective for muscle and to add in fiber. Protective for the muscle because the less glucose that needs to be synsthesized for the brain, the less protein that is broken down to do so.

    If you are going through the normal routine of being in ketosis, seeing a big water drop in weight as glycogen is deplated , sweat or mouth odor that is associated with keto you might be in keto just not producing enough excess ketones to show on the sticks, which isn't a bad thing.

    What all are you exactly using in supplementation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThomasRivera View Post
    That is odd. You will be in ketosis with no carbs, the purpose of carbs is protective for muscle and to add in fiber. Protective for the muscle because the less glucose that needs to be synsthesized for the brain, the less protein that is broken down to do so.

    If you are going through the normal routine of being in ketosis, seeing a big water drop in weight as glycogen is deplated , sweat or mouth odor that is associated with keto you might be in keto just not producing enough excess ketones to show on the sticks, which isn't a bad thing.

    What all are you exactly using in supplementation?
    80mcg clen
    25mcg t3
    eph here and there - 50mg day max
    1-2 a-yoh caps a day
    Eviscerate
    just started cordygen vo2
    pramipexole here and there
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    It is the stims. Excessive stims will create a rise in blood sugar. Your body is just producing it from protein.
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    Alone, Ephedrea, Clen, yohimbe, caffiene, shouldn't have a adverse side effect. Might be the t3, I'm not really sure.

    From what I read, using the ECA stack with yohimbe would be beneficial. (Lyle McDonald in the Ketogenic diet) and there is also suggested use of ephedra (body opus log). t3 i'm not sure how it would react, nor am I sure about cordygen or pramipexole.
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    Its gotta be the t3... but I cant just stop it, you can keep from gaining fat when you come off it but you really cant lose weight
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    Quote Originally Posted by justreading View Post
    Its gotta be the t3... but I cant just stop it, you can keep from gaining fat when you come off it but you really cant lose weight
    http://www.druglib.com/adverse-react...tion_insomnia/

    "Increased blood glucose"

    There is a chance that your in ketosis but just not showing ketones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThomasRivera View Post
    http://www.druglib.com/adverse-react...tion_insomnia/

    "Increased blood glucose"

    There is a chance that your in ketosis but just not showing ketones.
    WOW! I am stopping the prami anyway so I guess this is more of a reason
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    I STILL think its the t3...

    t3 does not care and will breakdown any calories so it will convert proteins to glucose BUT my dose is so low. Still though, in Ketosis the body does normally slow down its t3 production. 25mcg is generally considered to be about equal to a normal persons output but it makes me think if I should back off to 12.5mcg since I am in keto then cut my calories down.

    I have been around 2600 cals

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    what exactly does the t3 do? i'm taking ephedra and caffine right now, 50/200. i need to add something extra.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thenomad View Post
    what exactly does the t3 do? i'm taking ephedra and caffine right now, 50/200. i need to add something extra.
    If you need to ask you aren't ready
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    Quote Originally Posted by thenomad View Post
    what exactly does the t3 do? i'm taking ephedra and caffine right now, 50/200. i need to add something extra.
    A somewhat dangerous drug that mimics the output of your natural thyroid. I wouldn't touch it.

    Stick to the Ephedrine, Caffeine, and perhaps some Geranium.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irish Cannon View Post
    A somewhat dangerous drug that mimics the output of your natural thyroid. I wouldn't touch it.

    Stick to the Ephedrine, Caffeine, and perhaps some Geranium.
    Least dangerous fat drug out there with a little knowledge...but you need to use PH/AAS
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    Quote Originally Posted by justreading View Post
    If you need to ask you aren't ready
    yep, did some research and i don't know about that stuff.

    thanks cannon, i will try some geranium.
  

  
 

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