Ever wonder why competitors DONT do keto?
- 06-12-2009, 09:29 AM
Ever wonder why competitors DONT do keto?
I go on a bunch of boards and consider AM to be a very beginner board. There are some experienced guys but in general not nearly as much as some others.
On boards with competitors carb cycling (don't give me the BS and CKD is card cycling blah blah - thats crap) is always used and keto diets are ignored.
Does anyone here actually get below 10% BF regularly using Keto?
Any diet before 10% is childs play and yeah keto works but I am getting skeptical about it - why is this the only board that I see keto still preached?
- 06-12-2009, 09:47 AM
I know several competitors that use keto. The guy that goes to our gym that uses it got Mr Ohio on it. He is always lean all year round and he holds huge size. His vascularity is off the hook as well. He is well below 8-6% at his shows.
Now me myself I seem to do better with some carbs.
06-12-2009, 09:48 AM
I'm not sure what you are asking. AM to me is not a beginner board. It really depends on what your goals are. Actually I just had a good discussion on this very subject on another board a couple weeks ago. IMO, if you are cutting for a contest, a no carb approach is going to make you loose too much muscle and be flat. People are different and goals are different. What goal are you looking to achieve?
06-12-2009, 09:56 AM
I am trying to decide on a diet by monday and sometimes the best way to get a good discussion going is to be a bit abbrasive to be honest...
This board builds up keto as the end all of diets. I am a bit behind scheduel. I would say I am 5 10" max ha and maybe 208 since I got the swine flu (not a joke) and hoping by monday I can diet again. Looking to get from about 10% to 6% or so while staying about 202-205. Will be enhanced so am thinking so carbs could help in muscle gains BUT I so get more cut on keto. The addition of T3 on keto is dangerous but I am running it which leans mlore towards carb cycling. Would do ud 2.0 but I can dedicate my weekends to training - might be a slacker but I am getting out of a bad 2 years relationship and need to party sometimes
06-12-2009, 10:00 AM
Every competitor that i know, that i can think of goes no carb. In Northern NJ alot of guys use palumbo or people that are from his camp, and I beleive they do no carb diets. The guy who got me into powerlifting, Joel Toranzo, has a show in June, and he is not, and has not been eating any carbs for a while now. Palumbo gets his guys razor sharp as well. Next time i see some of the guys who are competing on the national level, i am going to ask them, because i am curious.
06-12-2009, 10:01 AM
06-12-2009, 10:31 AM
Here is the thread I mentioned......It started from a discussion from Dave Palumbo and Eric Broser. The thread makes points for both sides. You decide.
06-12-2009, 10:47 AM
06-12-2009, 10:51 AM
06-12-2009, 11:00 AM
You are correct. I have his DVD that is based on his diet and have watched it probably 5 times lol. His protein is higher, at about 1-1.5 grams per lb of body weight. But his diet is still consiered ketogenic simply becasue it puts your body into a state of ketosis.
IMO, I wouldnt follow any other keto diet but his. Unless it is a CKD like Dr. Mauro Di Pasquale.
06-12-2009, 11:09 AM
06-12-2009, 11:19 AM
So it's not for everyone. Even myself, as I switched to a CKD diet that incorperates his diet Mon-Fri and Dr. Pasqual's on Sat. So essentially it is a CKD and I am cutting down REALLY fast and actually gettting stonger!
I have done tons of research on different keto type diets and feel that Dave's is the most effeccient, if you can handle the low carbs. Which after the first few days is not so bad.
Check this out http://www.probodybuilding.com/video...iews/index.php
06-12-2009, 11:24 AM
Anyone have any GOOD info on daves diet? Only stuff I am finding is on bb.com...
I was just so convinced that protein had to be kept very low
06-12-2009, 11:25 AM
06-12-2009, 11:26 AM
Scroll down the page on the link i posted. He goes through his whole diet in the 3 videos.
Edit: I see you are doing that now.
06-12-2009, 11:27 AM
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06-12-2009, 11:41 AM
06-12-2009, 12:29 PM
06-12-2009, 12:39 PM
06-12-2009, 01:02 PM
First of all keto diets spare muscle protein. Its the first few days where u get into ketosis gluconeogenisis from AA is more pronounced. This is why I personally like dan duchaines way of "help" to get into ketosis toi shift metabolism faster. There are tons of things that go into these diets. Research included to make sure it works the best possible way. IMO more muscle loss is from mod carb low fat high protein due to the switching back and forth between glucose and ketones. And this relates to my srtatement earlier in this post
06-12-2009, 01:13 PM
Here's his basic diet...
MEAL #1 5 whole eggs (OMEGA-3 EGGS ); add another 4 egg whites to this
MEAL #2 SHAKE: 50g Whey Protein with 1 tablespoon of All Natural Peanut butter
MEAL #3 "Lean Protein Meal": 8oz chicken with 1/3-cup cashew nuts (almonds, or walnuts)
MEAL #4 SHAKE: 50g Whey Protein with 1 tablespoons of All Natural Peanut butter
MEAL #5 "Fatty Protein Meal": 8oz Salmon, Swordfish, or RED MEAT with a green salad (no tomatoes, carrots, or red peppers) with 1 tablespoon of Olive Oil or Macadamia nut oil and vinegar..
MEAL #6 SHAKE: 50g Whey with 1 tablespoon all natural peanut butter or 4 whole (Omega-3) eggs and 4 extra whites..
06-12-2009, 01:18 PM
06-12-2009, 01:34 PM
Personally I felt my muscles were full when I did a diet of 150-175 prot and 200g of fat. With more prot and less fat I felt flat but the cals were also VERY low. Strongest I ever was was at 202 - no more than 6-7% and tossing around 255 for reps on incline bench (im not a naturally strong dude) while doing what I ended up finding out was a velocity diet (had no idea just made it up)
I will be using exogenous t3 to keep my thyroid going and may pop a dnp or two the first week to get into keto faster. I always believed in dieting with as little cardio as possible because it always worked. 3 times a week is the most I ever did but maybe I should try moderate carbs with more cardio...
Damn I hate this decision but as soon as I get over this flu I need to get cut up
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