caffeine = insulin resistance = fat fat fat
- 05-19-2009, 02:18 PM
caffeine = insulin resistance = fat fat fat
I have been doing alot of reading on caffeine...and I fully believe if you endmorphic...caffiene is yoru enemy.
Caffeine seem to really make your body ignorant to insuilin release....thus making fat gain easy and fat loss hard.
I am going all out to eliminate caffeine from my diet to see if it helps with cutting.
- 05-19-2009, 02:27 PM
- 05-19-2009, 02:34 PM
05-19-2009, 02:59 PM
Can't you get around it by going low-carb while cutting? Should make you insulin sensitive while reducing insulin by a lot. It's so hard to give up caffeine.
05-19-2009, 03:18 PM
i dont trust caffeine myself. 4 green tea tabs is a cup of coffee worth of caffeine by itself...
05-19-2009, 03:36 PM
05-20-2009, 05:51 PM
I suppose there are other 'non-stimulant' based fatburners out there, perhaps in association with transdermal fat loss agents to avoid the use of stimulants but still get that mobilisation of fatty acids into the bloodstream?
I have to agree with GotTest though, it is pretty awesome stacked with E & A
05-31-2009, 04:56 PM
05-31-2009, 05:50 PM
Im in on this subject of discussion.
I am a stim junkie, i know caffeine isnt good for me, but im addicted.
05-31-2009, 06:23 PM
There seems to be some confusion in this thread. Stimulants increase blood glucose levels. That is how they work. Adrenaline converts glycogen into glucose. As glycogen stores deplete, other sources of energy are sought, which is why the stimulant both burns fat and increases cortisol. I wouldn't say that the elevated cortisol is necessarily a bad thing, as it makes fat more soluble, so long as the fluctuations in cortisol levels are at the correct times.
Back to stimulants and insulin, constant high blood sugar levels lead for a decrease in insulin receptors.
Insulin is the hormone used to store energy into cells: fat cells and muscle cells the like. With insulin resistance, the body becomes less efficient in storing energy in both fat and muscle tissues the like. Why is this going to make you fat? The common symptom of the development of type-II diabetes (extreme insulin resistance) is an abrupt weightloss without any exercise or dietary changes.
People tend to associate insulin resistance with fatness because most people who develop diabetes had eaten many refined sugars, to cause such resistance to insulin. As I'm hoping this post shows, insulin resistance is not going to make you fat, but rather the opposite. It's eating all of those pixie sticks to become insulin resistance that makes a person fat.
-Stimulants don't make you fat.
-Pixie Sticks make you fat.
-Both cause insulin resistance.
05-31-2009, 06:44 PM
05-31-2009, 06:50 PM
This caffene theory is interesting. It's been hard for me to cut fat and I drink 5 or 6 diet soda's a day. Hmmmm... possible experiment.
Up! Looks like I jumped to the end of the thread without reading all responses. Sinner covered it thoroughly.
05-31-2009, 06:59 PM
05-31-2009, 07:10 PM
05-31-2009, 07:40 PM
05-31-2009, 08:33 PM
On a low carb diet with using thos stim I always incluse something like pslin or glycobol to reduce sugar levels and increase insulin sensitivity. However , and sinner correct if I'm wrong, but certain anabolics like tren bind to the glucocorticoid recepter very strongly making it hard for cortisol to be on a rise...?
05-31-2009, 10:10 PM
I've never heard of tren doing that. Deca and Dbol are more common for such applications.
Great for your joints, but outside of that, I don't see much.
Last I checked, AAS channel the steroidogenesis process, and typically increase cortisol. (with the exception of esoteric 11-OH steroids).
05-31-2009, 10:13 PM
05-31-2009, 10:19 PM
06-01-2009, 12:31 AM
Thats why its good to take cort blockers with stims, i think thats very synergic.
Also throw in some insulin support, like cinnamon, vandium sulphate, and corsolic acid,ect.
Stimulants are mainly good for doing one thing, decreasing hunger.
Only stim that i think actually has science for fatloss, is ephedrine.Im not shure if theres been studies.
But the ECA stack, i recently tried, has been the only good thing, theres really not sides for me at least, and it gives a lot of stable energy. The thing is, i really dont like coming off. Any stimulant for the matter, but you need breaks.
Taking adaptogenic herbs and pregnelones helps a little bit with the stim tolerance.
06-01-2009, 02:53 AM
Cool thread...(sipping coffee...) Since we're on the topic of Caffein, is there any difference between the caffein in coffee vs. green tea.
On my last cut, I stopped coffee and was drinking loads of Green Tea (I was in a hellish place without coffee...) and cutting seemed easier. Couldn't figure out why.
06-01-2009, 03:58 AM
Green Tea, is usually high in ECGC and other polyphenols which aid in fat loss.
However, Oolong Tea, a cousin to green tea for fatness, is even better than green tea because it has polymerized polyphenols. Look it up and buy some. Its good stuff.
Plus Oolong really has a strong thermogenic effect,makes me sweat, and it may reduce hunger a good bit.If u need more info on Oolong, PM me.
Usually i drink coffe for the conveince.
I think i prefer coffe for it altertnes and doesnt make me sweat as much.
Another caffiene source to look out for is Yerba Mate, which is a more relaxing caffiene, and is said to contain an MAOI.
06-01-2009, 08:41 AM
06-01-2009, 08:58 AM
06-01-2009, 09:05 AM
I still stick by my guns as nothing matters if you are able to burn gross calories. I remember when I could down a pint of mayfield every week, eat 3 whole pizza and still maintain sub 13 percent bf.
Of course I was younger, played basketball 5 days, ran track, and did cross cycling, but who's counting, heh
damn. it's tuff getting old
06-01-2009, 10:02 AM
06-01-2009, 11:57 AM
06-01-2009, 12:17 PM
Usually when I drink coffee (caffeine) it is black and between a meal. The only real negative issue I have read is drinking coffee (caffeine) with carbohydrates (esp. simple) which can affect blood sugar negatively causing insulin spike. I figure there is no problem if it is in moderation and taken at the right times; especially without any simple carbs. Empty stomach before a workout is probably the best use of caffeine, or one of the best uses.
Just my two cents.
06-01-2009, 05:22 PM
06-01-2009, 05:23 PM
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06-01-2009, 05:23 PM
06-01-2009, 09:15 PM
The other statement about stimulants being only good at decreasing hunger is only partially true. Sometimes stimulants can even indirectly increase your hunger, with their crashes.
And yes, it is my opinion, that the main pathways od fatloss of conventional stim are mainly do to decreasing hunger.
Also by the fat burning potentional of norepinephrine, dopamine that they release.
It really depends on the particular stim for its direct fat burning action. Even if the stim has major fat burning action, im pretty shure thats the main pathway, i tend to think the pathway is indirect, decreased hunger.
06-04-2009, 11:28 AM
Not asking for a source, but is ephedrine available to buy? I thought the original ephedrine was banned and now there is just the weak, herbal stuff.
06-04-2009, 11:37 AM
06-04-2009, 11:48 AM
Interesting discussion though. I've cut out caffeine other than Slim Xtreme that I just started. It was easy for me to cut out sodas mainly because of the acid on the teefers. I'm only 18, and I've known people that ate OK(not all healthy nor all bad) and drank a nice bit of soda, and their teeth are at just a few years older than me, so, I quit, lol.
So, stims aside, and not on a CKD, it's safe to assume caffeine = bad? I've also met people that train pretty hard, and get good results, and have caffeine. So is it really THAT significant? Or is it simply the amount that you have over x grams that is significant?
06-04-2009, 11:52 AM
06-04-2009, 12:03 PM
06-04-2009, 12:55 PM
06-04-2009, 05:00 PM
It is available in most states as an OTC asthma medication.
You usually have to go to the pharmacists counter to get it. The same goes for the original sudafed. There's this whole regulation bit about it, because so many people were buying it to make meth. So now, every purchase is logged and sent to the DEA. If patterns start to happen, or you start buying too much, you get a visitor at your door. Handcuffs might be involved, but I can't imagine it being something kinky and hot.
06-04-2009, 09:23 PM
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