- 01-18-2004, 10:49 PM
- 01-19-2004, 05:03 PM
Is it the actual delts that hurt or does it feel more internal like rotator cuff and not the muscles themselves.
If it is joint pain start takin glucosamine, it will help with dry joints and joint pain
01-20-2004, 03:44 PM
I had a similar pain about a year ago, more in my left shoulder than my right. I started taking glucosamine, which helped. What helped the most was adding rotator cuff exercises twice a week. After about 3 weeks, the pain was almost gone. Gained strength in all my pressing movements too.
It hasnt bothered me for a long time now since I quit doing flat barbell bench press. I made incline my base exercise, & do mainly incline presses & flyes. I also do decline bb & db, & flat db press. Flat barbell is not good for your shoulder joints. My chest development has improved quite a bit since dropping bench too.
01-20-2004, 06:58 PM
hmm, I have been doing flat bench for a long time now without a break. Maybe i'll change it up like you did for a change. I'll also throw in some rotator cuff exercises. The basic movement is "arm wrestling" right?
01-20-2004, 08:21 PM
Originally Posted by hypo
I almost never have shoulder pain since I've started doing rotator cuff excercises. I do them with light weight to warm up before doing bench, and use heavier weight to strengthen them at the end of my shoulder routine. Here's a link to some excercises: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/dorian1.htm
If you're still experiencing pain, it's important that you take time off to let the injury heal.
01-21-2004, 10:46 AM
Sounds like the beginning symptoms of what I had (not sure what it is since I never saw a doctor about it). It started as a dull ache... It hurt when I went to bed and slept on my side with my arm under the pillow. Throwing a baseball motion hurt too.Originally Posted by hypo
I ignored it and kept benching... finally it got so bad I quit benching and honestly could do very little in regards to lifting. Please learn from my stupidity. Listen to your body...give it a rest.
It's taken me about 2.5 YEARS to get my should back to where it feels about 90%. I will not bench anymore. Flys, and cables can do just as much for a chest workout.
01-28-2004, 10:14 AM
Since this is the nutrition and diet forum, I'm gonna suggest you start taking some cold-pressed flaxseed oil. 4-6tbsp per day should help...I had a bum shoulder from a hockey injury five years ago, and it's fine now. Used to hurt bad on chest/shoulder day.
01-29-2004, 01:03 PM
This sounds like exactly what I have...When I do flat bench my delts kill right in the tie in..but not the muscle it's the joint.I notice it alot when going to bed moving my arms around or turning in bed it kills,also driving my truck ill put my right arm up on top of the passenfger seat and after a few minuets I move it I really feel the pain...Im taking Glucosomine and MSN for it but the pain is still there...I will try not doing flat bench for a while just inclined and see what happens...Do you guy's think this is the rotator cuff.. After doing some research on my own i am looking into the possibilliy of Distal Clavicle Osteolysis, or (weightlifter's shoulder)
In both traumatic and atraumatic osteolysis, the patient usually reports a dull ache that localizes over the AC joint. It may radiate to the anterior deltoid or the trapezius. With posttraumatic osteolysis, the patient will relate the onset of the pain to a direct blow to the shoulder. The traumatic episode may be as recent as 4 weeks, or it may have occurred years prior to the patient's presentation (13). These patients may or may not be involved in repetitive physical activities with the affected shoulder.
With atraumatic osteolysis, the patient has an insidious onset of pain in the region of the AC joint. These patients are usually weight lifters or heavy laborers who do not recall a specific incident that precipitated their symptoms. Weight lifters often have the most pain while performing bench presses, push-ups, and dips (2). Night pain is not often a complaint, but the patient will have difficulty sleeping on the affected side (9). Activities of daily living may become painful as the patient's symptoms progress (14).
On physical examination, patients consistently exhibit point tenderness over the AC joint and pain with cross-body adduction. Patients generally have well-developed shoulder musculature and full range of motion, but they can have pain with the impingement test, making diagnosis difficult. In this situation, 1 mL of 1% lidocaine hydrochloride can be injected directly into the AC joint. Patients with isolated distal clavicle osteolysis will have a temporary resolution of their symptoms after injection, whereas patients with other shoulder pathology will continue to have pain with provocative testing.
Treatment of the patient with osteolysis needs to be individualized. Factors to be considered include the extent of disability, hand dominance, activity level, and age.
Nonoperative treatment. Patients are initially started on a nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug (NSAID) and instructed in activity modification. Specifically, weight lifters should avoid bench presses, dips, flies, push-ups, and other lifts that elicit pain. Most patients will respond to activity modification; however, symptoms often recur if the previous weight-training schedule is reinstituted (2). Intra-articular corticosteroids can be considered for short-term symptom relief, but studies to date have not shown any long-term benefits (11). Because patients generally retain normal shoulder function, formal physical therapy is generally not initiated unless there is concomitant shoulder pathology. Patients whose condition does not respond to conservative management or who cannot limit their activities require surgery.
Operative management. Both open and arthroscopic distal clavicle resection have been successful in alleviating pain and returning patients to previous activity levels (2,9,10,14-17). Open resection is a relatively simple procedure, but a 4- to 5-cm incision is required. It also entails at least partial detachment of the deltoid; therefore, patients must avoid strenuous use of the arm for 3 to 4 weeks. The arthroscopic technique is technically more demanding, but it is more cosmetically appealing, and patients return to activities as soon as they are comfortable (18
anyone try the antinflamatory medication and what kind is the best....
this is how my shoulder feels...
Last edited by MaDmaN; 01-29-2004 at 01:38 PM.
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