help to get into ketosis
- 04-26-2009, 02:28 PM
help to get into ketosis
This is my first cut because i was always very fit before but parties and trips came along this past year and i shot up to 22%bf and i really want my old body back so i decided to go keto. I was just wondering though how people get into ketosis....fasting or what? Any suggestions would be great!
- 04-26-2009, 02:30 PM
Dude... I was just wondering the same thing. wish I could help, but can't wait to hear how to do it myself!
- 04-26-2009, 02:33 PM
04-26-2009, 03:03 PM
drop 15% bf and keep it off. I do fasted training every day, but I've been reading more and more about keto, After the gym is the only time I do complex carbs...bout 100g. other than that the only time I eat any more than 10g of carbs is cottage cheese at night. figured when I get back from my holiday I'll drop my carb intake inhalf, and subscribe my life to keto. I was gonna ask this thread when I got back from my vacation...but you beat me to it!
04-26-2009, 03:03 PM
Oh and I can't lose lbm I have to keep it, and gain if possible while on keto
04-26-2009, 03:07 PM
you can use glycobol to help get into ketosis, and you can also use it with your 100g carbs PWO to keep you as close as possible to ketosis or enter it as fast as possible,
seems to me glycobol can really help you out!
04-26-2009, 03:09 PM
04-26-2009, 03:19 PM
04-26-2009, 03:26 PM
04-26-2009, 03:58 PM
glycobol can help the initial process of glucose disposal to lower blood sugar and keep them stable,
now when you decide to do your fasting workouts and take your carbs post workout, glycobol can help your blood sugar from going TOO high and for as long as it normally would be. then you can take one before bed as well and it will help the process further and the GH release.
04-26-2009, 04:04 PM
gylcobol helps my blood sugar keep that not high state for a long period of time??? is that right??
and Gylcobol taken with no carbs at night helps with my GH release, can I still take my USPlabs powerfull with it, it is a GH releaser too....
04-26-2009, 04:06 PM
And for keto it's fine to have more cals from protien rather than from fats right...like a 70p10c and 20 fat breakdown? Or would it be better to raise the fat? if so to what amount
04-26-2009, 04:06 PM
04-26-2009, 08:05 PM
Hey guys thanks for your help earlier Let me ask you another question after reading everything on that site you posted It says that if I want to go keto I lose my carbs and eat more fat so let me ask you a question... Is it okay for me to eat 300g protein a day, and 100g fats, with less than 40g carb per day??? isn't that too much fat?? Im 290lbs and 6'4''
04-28-2009, 10:48 AM
Slightly high on the fats, but the rest looks good, maybe a little more protein. I have ran CKD for 6 weeks now, I'm down 24 lbs. I have also be running, clen, lipo 6, and just picked up a bottle of hydroxycut for 5 bucks, so I'm going to run that. Once you get into the swing of things it not so bad. Best way to get into ketosis is 30 grams of carbs a day or less. Some have to take in 0 carbs to get started. I have slowly added more carbs week by week, I'm at about 45-50 grams and still maintain ketosis.
04-28-2009, 11:04 AM
Just lay off the carbs and you'll get into ketosis, eventually. Don't complicate it. And remember eat 1-2grams of protein for the weight you WANT to be. Not the weight you are.
04-28-2009, 01:10 PM
No, super high protein levels will increase glucose in your blood via gluconeogenesis. For the first 2 weeks aim for HIGHER FAT medium protein, very low carbs, below 30gram...if you are training hard you will get into ketosis VERY quickly...2-3 days like this.
This is what I do, then I raise the protein up a bit and lower the fat a bit so they are about equal, sometimes higher protein (but still a very decent amount of fat - within caloric limitations of your diet/goals), and I manage to stay in ketosis this way. Eating fat won't make you fat!
04-28-2009, 05:02 PM
I need about 3000 cals a day I figure. Thats 1400 under my matianence including my workouts. So what would be a recommended breakdown of macro's for me? 200g fats 275g protein and >20g carbs....? or is there a better breakdown I could be on? for instance 250g fat 200g protein its just that protein level is under 1g per my target bodyweight is that alright... I cannot lose muscle!!! I gotta gain lbm baby
Thanks everyone for all your help and advice...
04-28-2009, 05:12 PM
04-28-2009, 05:22 PM
04-28-2009, 05:29 PM
Search google for BMR, figure your basic metabolic rate, and then you will also need to use the multiplier figure you BMR. Then subtract 500.
04-28-2009, 05:30 PM
04-28-2009, 05:46 PM
Wow I need alot less calories than I thought my correct maintenance is 3343 cals a day... Which means that I would want to eat around 2800 cals a day. Thanks mathis So my breakdown should be about 250p and 200f.
Thats not to much fat tho right... It would all be in polyunsats and monounsats.... through oils and nuts just wanna make sure... and more oils than nuts it mixes easier
04-28-2009, 05:51 PM
04-28-2009, 05:53 PM
04-28-2009, 05:59 PM
Pull out some of the heavy whipping cream and bam. Hope this helps!
04-28-2009, 06:00 PM
Dude your awesome man.
04-29-2009, 12:39 AM
Higher fats are only needed to induce ketosis but once in you can lower them and tweak.
Going keto will help preserve muscle mass on a cut. Don't worry too much about losing size on a CKD unless you're super far below maintenance and also overtraining. You also don't need to worry about 1gram per lb of lbm while on a keto diet. Those rules do not apply. I'll post a link for you tomorrow to read, the eyes are falling on me..
04-29-2009, 04:22 AM
thank you can't wait for the link
04-29-2009, 08:37 AM
X2 on the link. FYI ben, today weighed in 190! Starte six and a half weeks ago at 215. Have maintained if not gained some LBM.
04-29-2009, 02:51 PM
Dang man... Hope I get the same results! I still lift weights pretty aggressively, and do my 30mins cardio after, I really wanna keep getting my muscle gains. Think I'm hurting myself doing those workouts fasted every morning? I take a sugardaddy load of BCAAs and then two or three scoops of jack'd depending on how I feel.
04-29-2009, 03:45 PM
04-29-2009, 03:50 PM
[QUOTE=mathis50262;1944214]Nah you should be fine. Just watch you supps, there are more than you really think about having loads of carbs in them./QUOTE]
What does this mean... the BCAA's (purple wraath and xtend mixed) I use have carbs in them, or they act like carbs?
I feel the strength loss a little already on my cardio, but i really don't want to and am gonna try hard as hell not to stop gaining on my sets. Figured I'd start to get a lil' bound as you say I've been doing about 15g a day...not that much but its a start.
Power to you for getting stronger man It's an awesome feeling to be on a CKD and still be gaining muscle! Thats something I have to get!
04-29-2009, 04:09 PM
As long as they are not carbs from sugar your gtg. Watch your fiber too, I know most fiber supps have a good amount of carbs too.
04-29-2009, 04:14 PM
Large amounts of BCAA's (pre/during workout) have knocked me out of ketosis, and also prevented me from entering ketosis in the past.
It is the isoleucine and glutamine that is the culprit. During physical exertion, these can/will break down into glucose fairly easily. Glutamine is a larger culprit than isoleucine though.
I just slam down 5-10 grams of leucine pre workout instead of BCAAs. I used to take L-leucine alone but now I am trying out dominATP.
04-29-2009, 04:23 PM
i'm taking a bcaa/creatine mix right now and it hasn't kicked me out. i take 2-3 servings during the week and 2-3 when i carb up. haven't really lost strength yet but I do feel HUNGRY ALL THE TIME!! do any of you guys get hungry while on this diet? i thought the fats were supposed to "slow digestion" and keep you fuller longer.
04-29-2009, 04:27 PM
Actually I have made my own version of this diet, I carb up for 48 hrs. Friday night, to Sunday night. It is worst form me when I'm making my carb free dinner Sunday evening, when I know I can no longer have any, thats when I want normal food sssooooo bad, and cant get full. Monday, I'm fine.
04-29-2009, 04:32 PM
I only carb up for 1 day. My Sunday meals exist of lots of scrambled eggs!! Sometimes 15 eggs per day....Tastttttttyyyyyy
I used to get hungry on this diet in the past, but now I don't it's strange. It's probably because of the casein and supps I'm taking. This time around I am definitely drinking more water and taking more salt in with meals.
04-29-2009, 04:39 PM
Yeah...Hungry alot... Hope it goes away...
04-29-2009, 04:40 PM
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